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    Quick question. Have a department that I do there grant. they have a 38 year old Engine and 38 year old brush truck. 100 runs per year. Simply cannot make it past the computer scoring. Tried for the last 5 years. Been asking for 290,000.00 for a new pumper. When thinking about next year, should I ask for just a brush truck? Their brush truck is now not operational. Should I try applying for brush truck and a pumper? Thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by madfirelieutenant View Post
    Quick question. Have a department that I do there grant. they have a 38 year old Engine and 38 year old brush truck. 100 runs per year. Simply cannot make it past the computer scoring. Tried for the last 5 years. Been asking for 290,000.00 for a new pumper. When thinking about next year, should I ask for just a brush truck? Their brush truck is now not operational. Should I try applying for brush truck and a pumper? Thoughts?
    What about a type 3 structural/wild land interface pumper? Barnstead NH was awarded one this year.

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    We are in the exact situation, We have been applying for a vehicle (Engine) for the past serveral years and as always no luck. We are currently running a 76 & 79 Engines but still cant make it past the computer scoring our application I am being told is good but unfourntely it is the demographics that is hurting us the most, even though were in a boat were one engine is currently out of service mechancial and the fact of safety concerns. I was going to ask about the same thing putting in for a brush / wildland piece??? Any suggestions
    Stephen A McDaniels
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    Mocanaqua Vol Fire Company
    Luzerne County Pennsylvania

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    Mad, is that their only pumper? We had 3 with less than 1200 in population pick up trucks 1199As in the first FV drops.

    Pop 700, 144 sq miles, 28 FFs, 37 total calls for 2012, 1 structure fire, 14 brush. Only tanker 1978, Pumper 1992, Brush Truck 1977. $195k award for new tanker.

    Pop 1100, 25 sq miles, 15 FFs, 68 calls for 2012, 15 structure fires. 1996 pumper, 1982 tanker, 2003 rescue/utility, 1979 brush truck. $200,000 new tanker.

    Pop 1250, 49 sq miles, 13 FFs, 60 calls for 2012, 14 structure fires. 1977 brush, 1991 tanker, 1996 pumper, 1981 pumper. $250,000 new pumper.

    So thinking you couldn't have been off from beating the computer by much. Have other truck types awarded and pending that are also of rural nature, doesn't seem like you were much different. FYI last 1 was first time beating the computer this year. Nature of the statistics, but that's also where double checking all answers to all questions to make sure they're not just accurate but also the ones that sound like they'll score the highest. Used to be 5 valid answers for replacing 20 year old PPE, but all had different scoring weights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BC79er View Post
    Mad, is that their only pumper? We had 3 with less than 1200 in population pick up trucks 1199As in the first FV drops.

    Pop 700, 144 sq miles, 28 FFs, 37 total calls for 2012, 1 structure fire, 14 brush. Only tanker 1978, Pumper 1992, Brush Truck 1977. $195k award for new tanker.

    Pop 1100, 25 sq miles, 15 FFs, 68 calls for 2012, 15 structure fires. 1996 pumper, 1982 tanker, 2003 rescue/utility, 1979 brush truck. $200,000 new tanker.

    Pop 1250, 49 sq miles, 13 FFs, 60 calls for 2012, 14 structure fires. 1977 brush, 1991 tanker, 1996 pumper, 1981 pumper. $250,000 new pumper.

    So thinking you couldn't have been off from beating the computer by much. Have other truck types awarded and pending that are also of rural nature, doesn't seem like you were much different. FYI last 1 was first time beating the computer this year. Nature of the statistics, but that's also where double checking all answers to all questions to make sure they're not just accurate but also the ones that sound like they'll score the highest. Used to be 5 valid answers for replacing 20 year old PPE, but all had different scoring weights.
    Yes, it is the only pumper. It is open cab and not passed pump test in 7 years. We have 15 sq. miles and 31 firefighters. 4100 population , 17 structure fires, 11 brush fires. Have not made it past computer scoring in 5 years that we tried. Asking for 293,900 for a new pumper.

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    I tried for several yrs for a brush truck and tanker. Luck has it I was awarded both this year. you can e-mail me or call at 706 662 0942 and I will attempt to help you. Also got extrication equipment.
    dtaa665199@aol.com

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    Pumper (Engine) or Brush Truck

    The numbers for the average age of your apparatus will be the same. The average age for the class of vehicle (pumper, brush truck) may vary, which class has the newest (oldest)vehicle in that class? The number of calls may vary for each. You have to consider the total number of calls for the vehicle to be replaced and the age of the newest apparatus in that class. But the key lies in two questions: (1) Is the vehicle to be replaced an open cab configuration ? (2) Was the vehicle to be replaced originally built for a purpose for other than which it is currently being used.

    If you cannot answer "yes" to either of these questions, your chances of getting by the computer are slim or none. In addition, your numbers for age and number of calls have to be within the range for the computer.

    If you can answer YES to both the Engine and the Brush Truck, go ahead and apply for both.

    We are a rural/semi rural volunteer department with one paid Chief. We average 170-180 calls a year. Within the last four years we received grants for a Wildland Interface Engine and two Brush Trucks (same grant). Because we were able to answer Yes (honestly), we were able to pass the scoring by the computer.

    Then its up to your narrative.

    Good Luck

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