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    Exclamation Ford Type I Ambulance Chassis Issues?

    I'm wondering how many other EMS services that use Ford F-series chassis's are having issues with the Re-gen/Emissions systems?

    We run three F-series ambulances, one has the POS 6.0 liter and thankfully will be replaced soon, the other two are F-450 (2007, 2013). We cannot seem to figure out a schedule of maintenance or running that will prevent the re-gen from suddenly being critical and de-rating the engine. This has happened on numerous occasions while enroute to emergency calls and clearly presents a significant issue for us.

    Can anyone speak to the issues they may have had or how they've been able to control reliability with short run ambulances? Our trucks have an average run of about 10 miles (station-scene-hospital-station).

    Without a doubt considering all the issue over the years, we'e certainly looking at other chassis with future purchases, though we fear the re-gen/emissions issues may not go away?

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    In 2007, Ford was still using the 6.0. 6.4 came in 2008. On the 6.4, do a DPF delete. You'll get better fuel mileage, more reliability, and both turbos will last longer.

    Doing the same on the 6.7.

    On future trucks, buy the gas V10, or find older trucks and pony up the cash to refurbish them correctly. Not just new paint and stickers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    In 2007, Ford was still using the 6.0. 6.4 came in 2008
    Good catch, it appears that we have a 2006, 2010 and 2013.

    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    On the 6.4, do a DPF delete. You'll get better fuel mileage, more reliability, and both turbos will last longer.

    Doing the same on the 6.7.
    Warranty coverage with the DPF delete? We don't have our own City shops, so most work beyond routine maintenance is sent to the local dealer (who's terrible)
    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    On future trucks, buy the gas V10, or find older trucks and pony up the cash to refurbish them correctly. Not just new paint and stickers.
    I've not been part of speccing buses before, but I've not seen the V10 in an F-Series advertised as an ambulance prep option? Dodge maybe? We're looking to remain with a smaller chassis due to space concerns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFDACM02 View Post
    Warranty coverage with the DPF delete? We don't have our own City shops, so most work beyond routine maintenance is sent to the local dealer (who's terrible)
    Most stealerships are terrible. Steer clear. Find a reliable independent mechanic. My go to guy used to be the head diesel mechanic at the Ford Stealership. He left and started his own company. He works twice as fast, for half the money as a dealership.

    There are kits that allow you to remove the 6.4's DPF. And if there's an issue, it can be reinstalled with without permanent modifications to the truck. Lots of youtube videos on 6.4 DPF delete.

    According to Ford's 2013 brochure on Ambulances, the gasoline engine is not an option for a Type I chassis. But the V-8 and V-10 are both options for the Type II and Type III chassis.
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    quote from TXGP" Most stealerships are terrible. Steer clear. Find a reliable independent mechanic. My go to guy used to be the head diesel mechanic at the Ford Stealership. He left and started his own company. He works twice as fast, for half the money as a dealership."

    Only one problem with this theory.
    First off he can't do warrantee service, & it's unlikely that in the event of a major failure or catastrophic event that he has the same insurance coverage as Ford Motor company.
    A former chief here wanted a local mechanic shop to service our apparatus and ambulance.

    While thats well & good for most things Do you want John's diesel shop records in your hand while you stand up in court and try to convince them that you have followed ALL factory recommended service using Only genuine ford parts and installed by Ford factory trained technicians?
    Liability is huge in running an ambulance fleet and shifting some of that to the manufacturer is often the smart thing to do.
    Adam I know who your dealer is and use their sister dealership here in Brunswick. They have 2 top shelf diesel technicians who are the only ones to work on our ambulance. Talk with your city manager and ask him about the liability issue. If the town is willing to take the risk , fine

    All modern diesels need to run the dpf fluid and regenerate so set up a schedule and park it to get it done even if it's once a week or less. doesn't matter what brand of diesel chassis you buy going forward, The EPA has set the emissions standards and DPF & regeneration are here to stay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by islandfire03 View Post
    Do you want John's diesel shop records in your hand while you stand up in court and try to convince them that you have followed ALL factory recommended service using Only genuine ford parts and installed by Ford factory trained technicians?
    Yes I would, if the mechanic is proficient. And Ford isn't the only place where you find OEM trained technicians using OEM parts. I've had people at the dealership tell me bold faced lies just to get me to go along with the repairs they advocated.

    For example, had a "Factory Ford Trained Mechanic" tell me that a high-pressure oil cross over line was causing my 7.3 to run poorly. When I asked why he said that the different sides ran at different pressures, which is total BS because the system uses only ONE injection pressure relief valve. He underestimated my knowledge of the vehicle and tried to take advantage of it.

    The Dealerships are some the sorriest worst educated and poorly operating outfits on the planet. The beauty of an independent shop is that he knows he has to keep you satisfied or you'll go someplace else.
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