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    JMP17
    Firehouse.com Guest

    Unhappy 3 die in structure fire!


    Okay! Now that I have your attention.
    I want to say something about the subjects we here at Firehouse.com play into,,,or decide to read. You may have just blown me off and left,,,but if you haven't.
    Why is it when we see a Fire or something tragiic or some stupid joke, we jump right on it? But, we see something where one of ours is in need, we just pass it by. That makes me sick! Do we have to DIE for our Brothers & Sisters to come out of everywhere for us?
    One of our Brothers needs our help!
    His baby was born with a congenital heart defect, and needs surgery, why is this not something we jump on? What if it was our child, would we want to see our Brothers & Sisters turning their backs on US? NO, of course not!
    In the General Comments forum there's a topic called "A Brother in need is a Brother in deed" this has been there for awhile now, and there's one reply, what the hell folks!
    This reenforces the reason I left these forums and seldom return.
    I thought we cared for each other!
    GOD Bless you and Keep you Safe!
    Jim

  2. #2
    fjbfour
    Firehouse.com Guest

    Post

    I admit I was somewhat put off by your tactic, however I will also be the first one to reply and admit that I did exactly what you accused us of. Touche. I will look into this brother's situation and send off a gift if I can.

    I'd like to issue a challenge to the brothers and sisters to do the same, but I also recognize that overemphasis on these things can breed scams. I do not wish to even hint that I think this is the case this time, but it is the reality of the internet society.



    OK, who else will help?

    Here's the full story: http://www.firefightersforums.com/ar...erinneed.shtml

    Here's the weekly updates: http://www.firefightersforums.com/ub...ML/000016.html

  3. #3
    Engine 101
    Firehouse.com Guest

    Talking

    There is another fourm baord at a diffirent site under the same topic only 7, PLus I had a post talking about how fd's could improve themseleves it got ignored, Everyone would rather E-1 bash then assist a brother in need, Let us help our brother he need us and let us show people why the fire service is so unqiue let's stop E-1 bashing for a minute and see how we can help our brother

    Engine 101

  4. #4
    macky137
    Firehouse.com Guest

    Post

    I can say that this is not a scam (I realize that this could be a issue).
    I am the webmaster at FFF and I have verified the information on this, I would not put anything out on my site without verifying it first.

    If you have doubts call the bank and ask (I would do such a thing rather than not make a donation to a person in need).


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    macky
    Stay Safe Watch Listen and Learn
    visit:
    exjake.net
    Firefighters Forums

    [This message has been edited by macky137 (edited 01-11-2001).]

  5. #5
    Imaff4free
    Firehouse.com Guest

    Unhappy

    Well JMP17 I posted it in two forum topics here at FireHouse.com
    http://www.firehouse.com/forums/Foru...ML/000028.html
    and
    http://www.firehouse.com/forums/Foru...ML/000126.html

    This FF is here in my home town area not on my FD but still he is a Brother. I have said if you need me or any info, email me and I will get you any thing you need so you can check it out for yourself. I never got a email from anyone except one member of the webteam after I emailed them and that was that.

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    God bless us all,
    on every call.
    Todd

    My internet Home.
    firefightersforums.com

  6. #6
    FFMiff3
    Firehouse.com Guest

    Angry

    Are we family or what? Lets help the brother.

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    JMP17
    Firehouse.com Guest

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    Well, here it is again. You may not agree with the tactics, but it seems here at FH it takes a certain post to get your attention.
    Are we Family,,,,I'm begining to wonder!
    Are you realy Firefighters out there ,,,or just 'puter jockies?
    For those who are Be Safe my Brother & Sisters!
    Jim

  8. #8
    FFTrainer
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    Jim --

    I first want to start out with the statement that I am familiar with the situation you are describing and I am sending my donation as soon as I can print out an address to send it to. I didn't think I needed to post a reply to state -- "My check's in the mail!" There are some things I read and don't necessarily reply to rather I take the action necessary and go with it.

    Now the other subject you come close to is a subject that ****es me off. You mention posting to jokes, etc and the overwhelming response they get however some serious things get passed by like they were never their. I posted a topic on the 95 of our brothers and sisters that lost their lives in 2000. I think I got 5 replies yet I can read "What color fire truck" and "Juniors leaving school" and see 30 or so replies. I will definitely have to agree with you that their are some priorities out of whack here. I have taken in the fact that we do need to lighten up our stress level sometimes, but there are some very serious issues in our world that we seem to back away from.

    It's amazing how we preach to the public not to take the "It will never happen to me attitude" and we are in a profession where we never say "let somebody else take care of it." Yet we seem to not heed our own words.

    When our alarms sound we take care of people, property, pets, etc and want everybody to know how wonderful we are. When it comes to contract negotiations we preach brotherhood in our houses and our unions so that we get the dollar figure or shift schedule we want. This is exactly the reason subjects like this **** me off. We can portray this brotherhood, etc when it means getting us money or equipment or days off but when a supposed 'brother' needs us, we slide under the rug and out of sight.

    Sorry for the soap box lecture, but if you still reading this post then you probably understand what I'm saying.

  9. #9
    JMP17
    Firehouse.com Guest

    Thumbs up

    Very well put FFtrainer,
    The only thing with your first statement is, we don't need to know if your checks in the mail or not, but, letting your opinion be known not only brings out the importance of the issue, but keeps the topic in the forefront rather than falling three pages back. I thank you Brother for taking the time to reply!
    GOD Bless and keep you Safe!
    Jim

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    FFTrainer
    Firehouse.com Guest

    Wink

    If all you're looking for is keeping this post up top of the list, I'll keep going back and postin a "move up" post with a single character in it.

    The scarey part of this whole thing is that if you take a look at what you said about us only caring about FF deaths, and the opposite end of the spectrum - jokes, then why are there only 8 replies to this and they are almost all you and me??? I guess the subject of "3 die in structure fire" doesn't even get people attention anymore....

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    FitzBFDT2
    Firehouse.com Guest

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    JMP17,

    Have you ever heard of the boy who cried wolf? That is what this topic and the other false topic you posted are.

    People are going to click on the topic, read the first line and leave. Just because people don't answer a serious topic, doesn't mean they don't care or are not helping out.


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    Kevin M. Fitzhenry, bfdt2@fitzhenry.com
    Firefighter, Truck Co. 2
    City of Bayonne (NJ) FD
    www.bayonnenj.org/fire/

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    JMP17
    Firehouse.com Guest

    Post

    Well Kevin, let me start by saying, I will not be brought into a confrontation on posting. I have never posted anything false on any forum. The Topic may have been false but I assure you the subject is not!!
    You say that no replies doesn't mean no one cares or is helping,, well that sure is the way it seems.
    This hole attitude is the main reason I stopped posting here.
    The ONLY reason I'm am here is to help a Brother!
    The reply you just posted is just what you'd want to see if your Daughter was in the condition of this litte girl.
    You want a confrontation, go to one of the post where someone doesn't like Leathers!
    If that doesn't do it for ya, I don't hide behind anything(ooooooooooops! Almost said Bro!) My email is there ,,USE IT!
    Be Safe All!
    Jim

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    Adler
    Firehouse.com Guest

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    This is not intended to offend anyone nor is it to make justifications for mine and others actions. I am only speaking for myself.

    I have seen my share of death and dismemberment of brothers and sisters (personal and professional), young and old, friends and strangers. Every time somebody loses his/her life it is very tragic. I don't read nor do I reply to all those posts that I read. For some people, those deaths remind us that we are human, and are not immune to this. I agree, I may not be the most sympathetic person in the world, but it is hard for me to respond or talk to someone every time I see death or a broken family because of death or disease. So don't hate me or others like me. We deal with tragedy differently whether it is friend or stranger.

    God Bless and Stay Safe

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    fayette dist #1
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    The original post for this topic is posted in the "Firehouse.com Site Comments". This is a place for someone to post comments about Firehouse.com and I personally wouldn't expect to see a post like that there. Which brings up another problem, to get the best response to your post you should post it in the appropriate forum. For Example a post about raise money to fund you latest FD project wouldn't go in the University of Extrication forum and expect to get a good reply. The best place for a topic like that would be the Fundraising forum. Maybe I'm out of line on this one.


    As for the little baby my thoughts and prayers are with the child and the family.

    Lt. James Woda

    [This message has been edited by fayette dist #1 (edited 01-16-2001).]

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    Imaff4free
    Firehouse.com Guest

    Lightbulb

    Thank You for your thoughts and prayers for Baby Lacy.

    fayette dist #1 said; "The original post for this topic is posted in the "Firehouse.com Site Comments". This is a place for someone to post comments about Firehouse.com and I personally wouldn't expect to see a post like that there."

    Well let me say this and everyone can check the facts out for themselves.

    This was the first one I posted to the forums, for fundraising. http://www.firehouse.com/forums/Foru...ML/000028.html posted 12-17-2000 10:09 PM and then I posted this one, http://www.firehouse.com/forums/Foru...ML/000126.html posted 12-17-2000 10:19 PM. Which I started this post out with this; To whom it may concern at Firehouse.com Could you please help out with the Need of a Fellow Firefighter? His baby needs a operation. If you can help please contact me.

    Then a later statement made by fayette dist #1 says this; The best place for a topic like that would be the Fundraising forum. Maybe I'm out of line on this one.

    Well just goes to show that sometimes we don't know all the facts and feelings why members post what they do. I asked for help from Firehouse.com in that forum and posted about the fund raising in that forum for the members. I posted the info in the website comments so that the webteam or who ever, would know what I was talking about.

    Thank You for your thoughts and prayers for Baby Lacy.

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    God bless us all,
    on every call.
    Todd

    My internet Home.
    firefightersforums.com

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    ttjjss
    Firehouse.com Guest

    Thumbs up

    Well, maybe im different, but i always look first for posts on fire deaths and accidents and calls for help, then i look at the other posts. i made a resolution to send a condolance to every department that loses a brother or sister, and have kept it up so far, i just want everyone to know that they have fellow firefighters standing beside them for them to lean on in the hard times, and i hope that if we ever have a hard time, there will be plenty of support around, you cant get too much support.
    oh , and by the way, my check will be in the mail tommorrow, my tax refund is coming in a couple of days and this is the best thing i can do with some of it, to hell with the bill collectors, i have a brother in need !
    Captain Tyler Sitzer
    Weiner Vol Fire & Rescue Dept, Weiner, ARK
    ANYWHERE-ANYTIME

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    daysleeper47
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    Post

    Well James, I would have agree, except last year only about ten people visited the Fundraising Forum. In order to get a message out, you need an audience, and there is no audience in the Fundraising Forum. I wish there was. I wish that every forum here saw as much action as the Firefighters Forum, then maybe people finally would stop asking whose has the best leather or why juniors should wear orange buckets and help a brother(and sister) out. One thing this world has way too little of is compassion. Somedays it seems like the only people who show compassion, are you people, the firefighters, who are out busting your butts everyday to save others. I agree with Jim that people need to keep posting here in order to get the message out. Many more people than just firefighters come here. I am just one of those people. There are problems in this world that may ony effect one person, or two, or three, but that is still enough people that something must be done. Keep posting. You don't have to say that your donation is in the mail, but just let it be heard that you care and have a voice. Let me just say that you can count my donation as in the mail.

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    Joe
    Daysleeper47
    "When the bell goes ding-ding, its time to get on the woo-woo."
    "Dusting desire - starting to learn. Walking through fire with out a burn..."

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    Imaff4free
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    Thumbs up

    Thanks to everyone that has sent their thoughts and prayers. Support comes in many ways.

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    God bless us all,
    on every call.
    Todd

    My internet Home.
    firefightersforums.com

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    JMP17
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    I want to say thank you, Capt. Sitzer and Joe(Daysleeper47), I appreciate your words and your thoughts. I intended to defraud noone with this post, only to bring this to as many of our Brothers and Sisters an I could.
    And yes, we don't need to know "the checks in the mail" only that the word is getting out and that we care!
    GOD Bless and Keep you all SAFE, and GOD watch over little Lacey Ray!
    Jim

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    ttjjss
    Firehouse.com Guest

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    Hello again,
    does anyone know the status of lacys surgery, and how is the money situation looking ? hope everything comes out ok, and we need to keep this message at the top of the board.
    TYLER

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    pahoseboy
    Firehouse.com Guest

    Post

    Lets keep this at the top and baby Lacy in our prayers. How about an update guys.

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    lacysdaddy
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    Hi
    My name is Ricky Ray I am Lacy's dad. First I want to say that this might not be the best way to get the word out about our little girl Lacy Nicole, but let me tell you if this helps her I am for it. I would gladly say anything to help her and I am sure that their isn't anyone out there who won't agree with me.
    Our little Lacy is Scheduled to have her surgery on Feb. 9th in San Francisco. We live in TN. and this is a long way from home. I will only be able to stay 2 weeks with her and my wife will stay out there for (according to the doctors 3-8 weeks) for Lacy's recovery.
    I want everyone to know these kind and caring words for Lacy and my family is felt in our hearts.

    Thank You & God Bless You and Your Family
    Ricky
    lacysdaddy@hotmail.com

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    ttjjss
    Firehouse.com Guest

    Talking

    Ricky,
    thanks for the update, just remember that you have many brothers and sisters out there that have you all in their thoughts and prayers. I hope there is enough support to cover some of the expenses so you wont have to worry about them so much. one of these days you can tell Lacy about her extended family she has out here,
    thanks again for the update and let us all know if you need anything else at all.
    Captain Tyler Sitzer

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    pahoseboy
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    Post

    Thanks Ricky! Let us know how the surgery goes to thanx.

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    Engine 101
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    Update on Lacy
    Lacy had a turn for the worse about 36 hours after surgery. The doctors did all that they could but the trauma from the surgery was too much. I want everyone to know that we loved her with all of our hearts for the 3 months that God was good enough to allow us to have her.

    You may send your condolences to her family at lacysdaddy@hotmail.com



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