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  1. #51
    FRED
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    If it were my mother, wife, ect....Honestly, No I wouldn't want their jobs! That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

    I don't impose my own personal morality on others. Irregardless if they are public servants or not.

    Your comment that there should be no drinking in or OUT of uniform indicates to me that you think you can dictate how I run my life! This is the U.S.A. And at last I checked the 21st Amendment repealed the 18th!

    I think FLAME5 you need to take a step back, slow down and read the others posts. None of us think what they did was smart but to take their jobs is ludicrous!

    Two cents from a fireman.

  2. #52
    Gill
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    Flame5 is right about one thing. We would be ****ed if 4 drunken guys in uniform yelled rude comments to any of our family members. Even if they weren't in uniform, I would still be upset. But we have to stop, take in a deep breath and think for a minute. Is it worth it? Is it worth it to ruin someone else's life because they may have hurt someone's feelings. Not at all. What these men did was wrong and it shouldn't be tolerated. That's why DFD has some sort of disciplinary steps that they take in incidents such as this. In most fire organizations, termination is usually the last resort...as it should be here. We can't make life decisions based on emotion. If we did, our government, our fire departments, our households would be in shambles.

    As for your belief that all firemen should be alcohol free--you are entitled to your opinion. But as a fireman that enjoys a few cold ones on my days off, I have to disagree with you. So long as I get to work on time, do my job well to the best of my ability, and am not under the influence on the job, I should be able to drink what I want off duty. Just because I am a fireman doesn't mean that I have to give up some of the world's pleasures while out of uniform.

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  3. #53
    WOODMAN
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    Hey Gill I agree with you to a point and I can see the flip side but are you subject to shift recall?If you are what happens if you have to go in aftre knocking off a couple cold ones?

  4. #54
    sgtdave2002
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    FRED,

    ARE YOU THE SAME FRED FROM THE DFD WEB SITE?

  5. #55
    Gill
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    Woodman,

    I could be--but the chances of that are slim to none. We have 18 companies at my department. I have been called for shift overtime before. It's optional. One doesn't have to accept it. If someone is under the influence of alcohol, they decline the overtime. Just as with volunteers, if they have been drinking, they don't respond. I used to be a volunteer. And when I was drinking, my pager would be turned off. I also used to work for a department where we could be called back for emergency overtime. If we were under the influence, we told the dispatcher, and we didn't take the overtime.
    I assume it's the same everywhere. If you're not being paid to be on call with a pager or set by the phone, you can drink on your time off. And if you get a call while under the influence, you decline the opportunity to go to duty.

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  6. #56
    FLAME5
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    SOME OF YOU GUYS ARE THE ONES WHO NEED TO READ BACK AND NOT READ INTO "MY POSTS".
    WHEN I POST MY OPINION(S)KEY WORD BEING "OPINION" I AM NOT PUSHING IT ON ANYONE! OR EXPECT IT TO BE GOLD. IT SEEMS YOU GUYS ARE THE PUSHERS. YOU GUYS MUST BE THE TYPE WHO ARE THE FIRST TO CRY WHEN YOU RECEIVE NEW DIRECTIVES FROM ADMINISTRATION. EVERYONE IS INTITLED TO AN OPINION (JUST LIKE YOU!)
    IF YOU REALLY DON'T LIKE IT DON'T READ IT! AGAIN THE FIRST AMMENDMENT!
    NOW THE ALCOHOL THING....
    I BELIEVE (OPINION AGAIN) THAT ALL FIRE SERVICE PERSONNEL SHOULD BE PHYSICALY/MENTALY FIT AT ALL TIMES HENCE MY OPINION ON THE USE(S) OF ALCOHOL AND TOBACCO, DRUGS AS WE ALL KNOW. IF YOU LIKE IT, IF YOU USE IT FINE. BUT I BELEVE ON LIVING BY EXAMPLE TO MY CO-WORKERS AND FAMILY AND THE PUBLIC. I AM SURE SOME PEOPLE ARE USERS IN MODERATION, BUT BEING A DRUNK ***** OR A HUMAN SMOKE MACHINE DOES NOT CUT!ESPECIALLY IN OUR PROFESSION. BUT IT'S YOUR CHOICE ON BECOMING A STATISTIC. HEY IT'S YOUR RIGHT!
    AGAIN MY OPINION IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT THEN DON'T READ IT....AND DON'T READ INTO IT!



    [This message has been edited by FLAME5 (edited 02-02-2001).]

  7. #57
    Jake295885
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    Flame,

    Just a few questions for you. You have got the attention of 4 firemen from 3 major Departments with you opinions.

    Have you ever been inside of a burning building?

    Do you still wet the bed?

    Do you gain sexual pleasure from sirens and flashing lights?

    Are you an obese bastard that can only run with the big dogs on a keyboard?

    I've got a pool at work and would appreciate an honest reply......Thank you.....Jake

  8. #58
    troll911
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    Flame5, I hate to dis a fellow Texan, but if your "live by example" is "my way or the highway", you've got a lot of people skills to learn (startin'off with not insulting the rest of the fire service). As far as your views on alcohol/tobacco/drugs go,I would start using 'em 'cause your type A personallity is gonna be your downfall, brother.

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    Just my opinions, not my departments. If they are alike, it usually means somethin's gonna happen!

  9. #59
    emsbrando
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    OK, here is my half a cent, since I am so poor I can't even afford to pay attention.

    First of all Flame, when you get off your high horse, be careful, the fall will probably kill you.

    As for firefighters being alcohol free. I noticed you are from Texas. Ever been to the Municipal Fire School at Texas A&M during the last week of July?

    I have, for 11 years, with the last 3 as a Rescue Instructor. Come on down and tell the 3,000+ firemen down there for a lot of learning and a good time that they need to keep from the spirits.

    And if you should survive that, maybe you can come out to the fire field and we will be glad to show you how the big boys do things and even let you play with our toys.

    Secondly, I think the insults by the Detroit Firefighters were wrong, and the fact that they were very drunk while in uniform was wrong too.

    Personnaly I think they should have used more restraint from getting snokered at a memorial service. They should have saved that for later and had a WGAS (Who Gives A Sh*t) party.

    But right or wrong, they are my brother firefighters, and I can only give my opinion, guidance, love, and a sense of direction. It is up to them to do the rest.

    Ed



    [This message has been edited by emsbrando (edited 02-02-2001).]

  10. #60
    DOG 4035
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    OK BROTHERS, We beat this thing to death. I vote to end this and go have a COLD ONE...WHO'S IN...

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  11. #61
    FLAME5
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    JAKE,
    YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY NEEDING A LITTLE HELP WITH YOUR LITTLE PINKY, AND ARE ASKING IN A ROUND ABOUT WAY FOR HELP. MY ADVICE CUT IT OFF YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T NEED IT ANYWAY!(REMEMBER YOU MADE IT PERSONAL FIRST!)
    AND OTHERS READING INTO MY POSTS AGAIN.
    DID THEY TEACH READING COMPREHENSION WHEN YOU WERE IN SCHOOL? THESE ARE MY OPINIONS, AND I AM NOT POSTING THEM TO PASS JUDGEMENT OR MAKE ANYONE TO BE GARBAGE. SOMEHOW YOU THINK OTHERWISE, I THOUGHT I MADE THIS EVEDENT.
    I ALSO COULD CARE LESS WHERE ANYONE COMES FROM, TEACHES AT, OR IS AFFILIATED WITH. WE ARE ALL HUMAN NOTHING MORE MAKES YOU OR ME GREATER. SO THERE IS NO REASON FOR ME TO BE SCARED OF VOICING MY OPINION, IN PERSON OR OTHERWISE! AND I DO!
    THIS ALSO GOES TO SHOW HOW PERHISTORIC SOME OF YOU ARE. WHEN ONE PERSON STATES THE OPINION THAT DOES NOT FIT, IT AND THE PERSON STATING IS BASHED AND OTHERS JOIN IN TO FIT IN. GET YOUR OWN LIFES PLEASE!
    NOW SINCE THIS POST WILL PROBABLY GET A FEW UNWITTING REPLYS I WILL BE THE BIGGER MAN ( SORRY ABOUT THAT JAKE NO PUN INTENDED ) AND WALK AWAY FROM THIS SUBJECT.


    STAY SAFE AND STAY LOW(JAKE NO PUN INTENDED HERE EITHER).

    [This message has been edited by FLAME5 (edited 02-02-2001).]

  12. #62
    FLAME5
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    Wink

    GOOD DEAL ILL HAVE A COKE

  13. #63
    iwood51
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    FLAME5, first stop YELLING it's not proper 'nettiquette', second, before you go spouting about someone's reading comprehension, learn to spell and/or type.
    Now I'll get back to my beer, thanks.

  14. #64
    LisbonTrainingOfficr
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    I dont think that drinking in uniform in public is a good idea.
    As for all of you guys going after a fellow firefighter for what he believes is wrong also.
    Take a step back and look at yourselves.
    Stay safe...

  15. #65
    FireLt1951
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    I'm with you Dog, lets do it. and stay low.
    Originally posted by DOG 4035:
    OK BROTHERS, We beat this thing to death. I vote to end this and go have a COLD ONE...WHO'S IN...


  16. #66
    emsbrando
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    Thumbs up

    I agree, we have really beat this thing too much and it is time to cool down and relax.

    Make mine a Bud Lite.

    Ed

  17. #67
    Marky
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    Sorry fellas, but...Buckseng91, Flame- you gotta be kidding me!!!!!

  18. #68
    ffkiwi
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    I think that firefighters have a responsibility to those that have fallen in the line of duty.
    The behavior displayed by these
    "firefighters" is inexcusable.
    Not only have they tarnished every single firefighters reputation but in doing so have disgraced themselves in public.
    They have also made a mockery of their reason for being there.
    They were there in remembrance of the fallen.
    They were disrespectful to the fallen
    There is no excuse in the world for that.

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    BucksEng91
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    No, "Marky", I'm not kidding at all. I rarely kid about something so disturbing. My whole point in this has been that it was a disgrace for members of the fire service to act this way at a *memorial service*. Look, I couldn't give a good godd*mn what you do at a parade, a muster, a party, after drill, whatever...but when it comes to honoring fallen firefighters, you need to save the drinking, rowdiness, and rudeness for another time. Don't disgrace the memory of fallen heroes by acting like complete *ssholes. It's a disservice to your brother and sister firefighters, and a slap in the face to the families of the fallen. Act with a bit of decorum and dignity, if it's the only time you do it in your life. I can't think of a better time to do so. Otherwise, hey, do whatever the h*ll you want.

    Is anyone else tired of beating the crap out of this dead horse yet? Or should I wait for another yahoo to stand up and talk about "sticking by our brothers"? It's really getting old, fellas.



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    FireLt1951
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    It's done and it's over, let it lie. You have your opinions and you have quoted them to death. Let it go!!!!!!!!!! No one has accomplished anything. You're beating a dead dog. Again everyone let it go.
    Originally posted by BucksEng91:
    No, "Marky", I'm not kidding at all. I rarely kid about something so disturbing. My whole point in this has been that it was a disgrace for members of the fire service to act this way at a *memorial service*. Look, I couldn't give a good godd*mn what you do at a parade, a muster, a party, after drill, whatever...but when it comes to honoring fallen firefighters, you need to save the drinking, rowdiness, and rudeness for another time. Don't disgrace the memory of fallen heroes by acting like complete *ssholes. It's a disservice to your brother and sister firefighters, and a slap in the face to the families of the fallen. Act with a bit of decorum and dignity, if it's the only time you do it in your life. I can't think of a better time to do so. Otherwise, hey, do whatever the h*ll you want.

    Is anyone else tired of beating the crap out of this dead horse yet? Or should I wait for another yahoo to stand up and talk about "sticking by our brothers"? It's really getting old, fellas.


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    FireLt1951
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    As A last word. SgtDave and BucksEng91. I'm not sure how many years you have been attending Roscommon SgtDave or if you have ever attened BucksEng91. I have been attending this function for many many years.After the memorial, when the festivities start, I have seen many kinds of behavior, some worse than what is on this thread. I do not condone bad behavior, but people have flaws and do not always act appropriately. It has happened many times and will probably happen again. As you you noticed I said after the memorial. I hope the the Web Team decides to remove this entire thread and end it. As for SgtDave and BucksEng91. I have read many of your posts and your holier than thou attitude on many subjects leaves a lot to be desired.I hope and pray that your perfection continues through the rest of your life.

  22. #72
    BucksEng91
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    Look, FireLt1951, I'm not beating this to death. It just seems like every time I read through the postings on this board, I see yet another person attacking me for things I haven't said, or distorting the things I've said. Believe me, I'm at least as tired of talking about this travesty as you are.

    By the way, I never said I was perfect, or that I was holier than anyone here. If having principles that guide my professional and personal life makes you think that I believe I'm "perfect", or that I believe that I'm somehow better than you or anyone else, than, hey...guilty as charged, I guess. Personally I find that ethics, dignity, professionalism, and standing by your principles are positive things. Maybe if more of the leaders of the DFD displayed such positive traits, there wouldn't be such problems there today. If you think it's at all appropriate at any time for a firefighter, in uniform, at a memorial service attended by family members and other concerned members of the public, to get p*ss drunk and start yelling obscenities and insults as passers by, then it's must be easy to overlook other professional lapses. I'm not willing to do that.

    And, as I thought I expressed pretty clearly in my last post, please feel free to do whatever the h*ll you want at any time - but don't disrespect the memory of dead firefighters by making a spectacle of yourself at a memorial service. Have some d*mn backbone and call a spade a spade. Some things are just wrong. And it doesn't mean that I'm attacking your department, or that I'm attacking career firefighters, or any of the other erroneous things attributed to me. It means that I strongly believe that it's wrong to show disrespect for dead firefighters. Take that any way you want it, but don't put words in my mouth or make assumptions about my views on any other subject.

    OK, flame away if you want, or just drop it. Doesn't matter to me one way or the other.


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  23. #73
    FLAME5
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    I TOTALY AGREE WITH YOU BUCK BUT MAN, WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE READING INTO WHAT YOU HAVE POSTED, AND PUTTING WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH. IT'S A NO WIN SITUATION FOR BOTH. ALL OF THE SUDDEN EVERYONE IS AN EXPERT
    I STILL STAND BY MY VIEWS, AND I KNOW THE OTHERS STAND BY THEIRS "FINE" THEY AREN'T CHANGING MY MIND, AND I AM NOT CHANGING THEIRS, SO I WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
    PLUS THE SUBJECT STARTED GETTING PERSONAL AND THAT SUCKS, BUT IT SHOWS HOW LOW SOME OF US ARE("NO WIT")
    ASIDE FROM THAT I BID YOU PEACE, AND SAFTEY


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