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  1. #41
    FLAME5
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    DOG 4035,
    YEP, I SAID IT AND STAND BY IT. A PERSON(S) WHO ARE ON OR OFF DUTY DEGRADES HIS DEPT. AND CITY FOR THE PURPOSE OF DEGRADING ONE OF THE MANY PEOPLE WHO PAY THEIR SALARY!
    THEY MUST NOT APPRECIATE THEIR JOB MUCH.
    NOW OTHER POSTS MENTION "BROTHERHOOD" THINKING OF OF THE MEANING TWO IMPORTANT WORDS COME TO MIND "RESPECT"
    AND "PROFESSIONALISM" THESE GUYS SHOWED NONE.IF YOU WANT TO BE A DRUNK *** DO IT IN THE PRIVACY OF YOUR OWN HOME!
    NOW I CAN UNDERSTAND BEING MAD OF THE DEPT. BASHING IF I DID I AM REALLY SORRY.
    BUT THEIR IS NO NEED FOR DROPING A MAN TO MAN CHALLANGE (AGAIN THE QUESTION OF PROFESSIONALISM COMES TO MIND)SOUNDS A LITTLE CHILDISH ASWELL.
    FINALLY, I CAN HONESTLY SAY THAT I WOULD PASS UP A JOB AT THE D.F.D. BECAUSE I LOVE MY JOB DOWN HERE. BESIDES IT'S TO DAMN COLD UP THEIR

    RESPECT ABOVE EVERYTHING!


  2. #42
    vollieff
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    Let me first say hello to everyone. I've been reading and not posting for a while, just haven't had the time.Now on subject at hand...
    I can't excuse the actions of "somw People ina fire service, but what I can't escuse is the fellow brother not going up to that women and saying" Mam I'm sorry for my brothers comments and I just ant you to know that we all have respect for you, sometimes emmotions can get the best of us" and offering a handshake. lets remmegber that we all are brothers( put down the paid and vollie stuff, the comment about the poster probly gettingterned down for a position, just remember some of us would have to take a big cut in pay to be a paid FF, me in one by alot of money). I have alot of respect for any firefighter, let's not criticise the actions of othere depts and try to HELP our brothers out when they need it, may they be drunk ( fact of life now and then) or dropping through a floor and needing a fast team. Remember we have to watch out for ALL of us in this day and age, Paid OR Vollie. I'm not condoning what they did by any means, but let's rememeber the one fact that binds us, we all do what we do for the satisfaction we all feel in some way sape or form. Guyshat are paid don't do it for the money, God knows the money isn't good, Vollies don't do it for the money either, and let us let it at that. Let's stick together as a whole and stop putting each other down, we have to be strong as a whole and make up for any problems we have AS A WHOLE.
    Thank you for your time.

    A FELLOW FIREFIGHTER NOTHING MORE NOTHING LESS THAN ANY OF YOU HERE

  3. #43
    Truck F
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    Speaking from experience LODD is a hard thing.
    These guys dont deserve the beating everyone is laying on them!
    They were doing the best they could to get through a tough day. That was their way of dealing with it.
    Maybe the lady did deserve an apology, thats for her to decide even if she heard the comment.
    I know everyone in here has joked about people, that would make the fat joke look small in comparison.
    I cant believe people would want to see these guys loss their job, thats ridiculous.
    To Detroit Fire if you guys ever make it to Washington DC, I'll have a drink with you.

  4. #44
    F52 Westside
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    Well I have to put my 2 cents in.
    1st I think FFTrainer has the most nonemotional response about this and I believe he is right. There have been alot of good posts on this topic. I think SgtDave could have made his point with out the DFD's name, because this should make us all think about our dept's. and how some of our personnel act and what it shows the public.
    For those that think it shouldn't be about the dept., you are mistaken. When those guys put on the uniforms they brought the dept. into it. Their actions made it that more difficult on FireLt1951,Detroit Fire, and detmichfire and the rest of their 1300 members and us to show the public that they are a great fire dept. Those kinds of things can impact people longer than saving their lives or their house.
    The brotherhood and sisterhood thing (I am going to get beat up on this.) don't take it to far. In my book acting like that is outta' line, firefighters or not. I would follow any of you into a fire, but I would not condone that kind of attitude.

    The opinions above are mine and mine only.

    Eddie C.



  5. #45
    iwood51
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    vollieff, do me/us all a favor. Right next to the submit reply button is a spell check button, please use it. I couldn't even get through the first third of your post. This is not meant as a personal attack, it would just make reading your posts much easier.

  6. #46
    Jake295885
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    I have watched this post with growing amusement. I believe Sgt. Dave should be hunted down and properly delt with.

    This has got to be a bogus story, because if sgt dave saw this behavior and didn't suggest to the brothers to lighten up and appoligize to the woman, he's part of the problem. To come to this forum and slamm the Brave Fireman from Detroit makes my stomach churn.

    These guys take in more work in a week than Sgt Dud sees in a decade. I can tell by his post. I spent a week with about 25 guys from DFD in Nevada at a weapons of mass destruction class run by Uncle Sam for the real men who will be "1st in" when the sh%$ hits the fan. I found each and every one of them to be first class firemen, and wouldn't mind crawling down a tight hallway with any one of them.

    They like many big city firemen are dealing with a disentigrating city, an incompetent administration, and an increasingly ungrateful customer.

    I like my friend in the District of Columbia, would be glad to raise a glass with anyone of you men. Keep in mind there are a lot of wanna-bes in a venue like this

    Stay low and stay safe........Jake

  7. #47
    Jolly Roger
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    "Short of criminal behavior a fireman should always support his brothers", you say. Always? How about when they're publicly disgracing your department and your profession. It's one thing to "have each other's back" in a fire. It's quite another to make excuses for boorish, embarrasing and disrespectful behavior that shows firefighters in a bad light to the public. That should never be tolerated. The pride in our profession comes from the fact that we do hold ourselves to a higher standard, and that includes not standing for this kind of sh*t.
    Oh, I see, so it is ok for us to do our laundry in public? I think not. What the hell gives you the right to get on here and publicly hang the involved firefighters? I wasn't there, I don't know what happened. When things like that happen, then it needs to be handled inhouse. Departments have policies and proceedures. Let them handle it. Don't bring any more bad light on the D.F.D. or the fire service in general.

    Jolly Roger

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    The opposite of professional is amateur.

  8. #48
    DOG 4035
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    BACK AFTER A 24 AND I SEE FLAME5 AT IT AGAIN....LIKE I SAID BEFORE...
    quote:
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    Originally posted by FLAME5:
    I FEEL MORONS LIKE THESE SHOULD BE FIRED.
    MABEY THE DEPT. HAS A PROBLEM WITH MANAGEMENT AS WELL?

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    You would have us belive you would take a persons LIVELIHOOD AWAY BECAUSE THEY MADE A MISTAKE...You may friend are way off base...YES THEY WHERE WRONG!!! BUT TO TAKE THERE JOB??? TAKE THERE JOB??? LOL
    STOP THE MADNESS NOW...WE ARE ALL BROTHERS...PLEASE REMEMBER THAT...I WATCH OUT FOR YOU. YOU WATCH OUT FOR ME...
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    FLAME5 I would have e-mailed this to you direct but... OH YOU HAVE NO E-MAIL ADDRESS? FLAME5 I hope you don't speed in you car with your IAFF sticker, or jay walk with you FD T-shirt on, or make a mistake in life as these BROTHER FIREMEN DID...BECAUSE SOMEONE MIGHT WANT TO TAKE YOUR JOB...THESE GUY'S WHERE WRONG YES...TO FIRE THEM??????LOL

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    [This message has been edited by DOG 4035 (edited 02-01-2001).]

  9. #49
    FLAME5
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    SORRY MY E-MAIL IS USED ONLY FOR BUSSINESS/PERSONAL USES ONLY NOT FOR ANNOYMENT PURPOSES. YOU HAVE DONE ENOUGH ON THIS FOURM.
    YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T GET IT. YOU PROBABLY BELONG TO A DEPT. FULL OF DRUNKS. HONESTLY ASK YOURSELF WOULDN'T YOU BE ****ED AND WANTED THESE GUYS JOBS IF IT WERE YOUR MOTHER, WIFE , OR DAUGHTER MADE FUN OF IN A DISRESPECTFUL WAY? OF COURSE YOU WOULD!
    AGAIN I STAND WITH MY POST(S). FIRE DEPARTMENTS SHOULD NOT TOLERATE KNOWN DRUNKENESS IN OR OUT OF UNIFORM. BROTHERHOOD OR NOT PERIOD!
    "FIREFIGHTER FOR A ALCOHOL FREE FIRE SERVICE."

  10. #50
    DOG 4035
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    FLAME5 AGAIN YOUR OFF BASE AND YOU JUST DON'T GET IT... WHAT WAS SAID IN ALL THESE POST WHERE...YES THEY WHERE WRONG. {WE AGREE}WE AS BROTHERS SHOULD HAVE SAID SOMETHING THEN...THE BROTHERS MADE A MISTAKE. {WE AGREE}WE AS BROTHERS SHOULD HAVE STEPPED UP AND DID SOMETHING THEN...AND DON'T BRING IN THE DEPARTMENTS NAME {I THINK WE AGREE} WHAT IS SAID HERE,WHAT WE DO HERE,LET IT STAY HERE...
    TO FIRE THEM???TO TAKE A PERSONS JOB???...I BROTHER, STRONGLY DISAGREE!!!

    Yes, I'm from a big DEPARTMENT. And BROTHER you can insult me all you want.I'm a big boy. And as far as my family goes, they know that sticks and stones thing. I'm on the job 16 years and in those years I learned early too, WATCH MY BROTHERS BACK.

    P.S. THIS SITE HAS FREE E-MAIL SERVICE...


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  11. #51
    FRED
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    If it were my mother, wife, ect....Honestly, No I wouldn't want their jobs! That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

    I don't impose my own personal morality on others. Irregardless if they are public servants or not.

    Your comment that there should be no drinking in or OUT of uniform indicates to me that you think you can dictate how I run my life! This is the U.S.A. And at last I checked the 21st Amendment repealed the 18th!

    I think FLAME5 you need to take a step back, slow down and read the others posts. None of us think what they did was smart but to take their jobs is ludicrous!

    Two cents from a fireman.

  12. #52
    Gill
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    Flame5 is right about one thing. We would be ****ed if 4 drunken guys in uniform yelled rude comments to any of our family members. Even if they weren't in uniform, I would still be upset. But we have to stop, take in a deep breath and think for a minute. Is it worth it? Is it worth it to ruin someone else's life because they may have hurt someone's feelings. Not at all. What these men did was wrong and it shouldn't be tolerated. That's why DFD has some sort of disciplinary steps that they take in incidents such as this. In most fire organizations, termination is usually the last resort...as it should be here. We can't make life decisions based on emotion. If we did, our government, our fire departments, our households would be in shambles.

    As for your belief that all firemen should be alcohol free--you are entitled to your opinion. But as a fireman that enjoys a few cold ones on my days off, I have to disagree with you. So long as I get to work on time, do my job well to the best of my ability, and am not under the influence on the job, I should be able to drink what I want off duty. Just because I am a fireman doesn't mean that I have to give up some of the world's pleasures while out of uniform.

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  13. #53
    WOODMAN
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    Hey Gill I agree with you to a point and I can see the flip side but are you subject to shift recall?If you are what happens if you have to go in aftre knocking off a couple cold ones?

  14. #54
    sgtdave2002
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    FRED,

    ARE YOU THE SAME FRED FROM THE DFD WEB SITE?

  15. #55
    Gill
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    Woodman,

    I could be--but the chances of that are slim to none. We have 18 companies at my department. I have been called for shift overtime before. It's optional. One doesn't have to accept it. If someone is under the influence of alcohol, they decline the overtime. Just as with volunteers, if they have been drinking, they don't respond. I used to be a volunteer. And when I was drinking, my pager would be turned off. I also used to work for a department where we could be called back for emergency overtime. If we were under the influence, we told the dispatcher, and we didn't take the overtime.
    I assume it's the same everywhere. If you're not being paid to be on call with a pager or set by the phone, you can drink on your time off. And if you get a call while under the influence, you decline the opportunity to go to duty.

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  16. #56
    FLAME5
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    SOME OF YOU GUYS ARE THE ONES WHO NEED TO READ BACK AND NOT READ INTO "MY POSTS".
    WHEN I POST MY OPINION(S)KEY WORD BEING "OPINION" I AM NOT PUSHING IT ON ANYONE! OR EXPECT IT TO BE GOLD. IT SEEMS YOU GUYS ARE THE PUSHERS. YOU GUYS MUST BE THE TYPE WHO ARE THE FIRST TO CRY WHEN YOU RECEIVE NEW DIRECTIVES FROM ADMINISTRATION. EVERYONE IS INTITLED TO AN OPINION (JUST LIKE YOU!)
    IF YOU REALLY DON'T LIKE IT DON'T READ IT! AGAIN THE FIRST AMMENDMENT!
    NOW THE ALCOHOL THING....
    I BELIEVE (OPINION AGAIN) THAT ALL FIRE SERVICE PERSONNEL SHOULD BE PHYSICALY/MENTALY FIT AT ALL TIMES HENCE MY OPINION ON THE USE(S) OF ALCOHOL AND TOBACCO, DRUGS AS WE ALL KNOW. IF YOU LIKE IT, IF YOU USE IT FINE. BUT I BELEVE ON LIVING BY EXAMPLE TO MY CO-WORKERS AND FAMILY AND THE PUBLIC. I AM SURE SOME PEOPLE ARE USERS IN MODERATION, BUT BEING A DRUNK ***** OR A HUMAN SMOKE MACHINE DOES NOT CUT!ESPECIALLY IN OUR PROFESSION. BUT IT'S YOUR CHOICE ON BECOMING A STATISTIC. HEY IT'S YOUR RIGHT!
    AGAIN MY OPINION IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT THEN DON'T READ IT....AND DON'T READ INTO IT!



    [This message has been edited by FLAME5 (edited 02-02-2001).]

  17. #57
    Jake295885
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    Flame,

    Just a few questions for you. You have got the attention of 4 firemen from 3 major Departments with you opinions.

    Have you ever been inside of a burning building?

    Do you still wet the bed?

    Do you gain sexual pleasure from sirens and flashing lights?

    Are you an obese bastard that can only run with the big dogs on a keyboard?

    I've got a pool at work and would appreciate an honest reply......Thank you.....Jake

  18. #58
    troll911
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    Flame5, I hate to dis a fellow Texan, but if your "live by example" is "my way or the highway", you've got a lot of people skills to learn (startin'off with not insulting the rest of the fire service). As far as your views on alcohol/tobacco/drugs go,I would start using 'em 'cause your type A personallity is gonna be your downfall, brother.

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    TROLL

    Just my opinions, not my departments. If they are alike, it usually means somethin's gonna happen!

  19. #59
    emsbrando
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    OK, here is my half a cent, since I am so poor I can't even afford to pay attention.

    First of all Flame, when you get off your high horse, be careful, the fall will probably kill you.

    As for firefighters being alcohol free. I noticed you are from Texas. Ever been to the Municipal Fire School at Texas A&M during the last week of July?

    I have, for 11 years, with the last 3 as a Rescue Instructor. Come on down and tell the 3,000+ firemen down there for a lot of learning and a good time that they need to keep from the spirits.

    And if you should survive that, maybe you can come out to the fire field and we will be glad to show you how the big boys do things and even let you play with our toys.

    Secondly, I think the insults by the Detroit Firefighters were wrong, and the fact that they were very drunk while in uniform was wrong too.

    Personnaly I think they should have used more restraint from getting snokered at a memorial service. They should have saved that for later and had a WGAS (Who Gives A Sh*t) party.

    But right or wrong, they are my brother firefighters, and I can only give my opinion, guidance, love, and a sense of direction. It is up to them to do the rest.

    Ed



    [This message has been edited by emsbrando (edited 02-02-2001).]

  20. #60
    DOG 4035
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    OK BROTHERS, We beat this thing to death. I vote to end this and go have a COLD ONE...WHO'S IN...

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