My Dept is buying a new 2001 Pierce Lance 2000. It is the biggest 10 man cab available by Pierce, with 9 pack seats. It is a top mount pump that will be used for fire attack and out of town water supply. It also has a CAFS onboard. One side is rescue depth compartments while the other side is engine depth. The rear compartment goes all the way through on the lower half. There are also bins up top on therear running the length of the rear body. What equipment do you suggest to set up a good engine, also any light rescue tools. We are not a rescue company and have no intentions of being one but what is good to have to be prepared. Any and all ideas are very welcome so run off a wish list or a list of things your dept. has. We run in a rural area, with light industry, few hotels in the mutual aid vicinity. Thank you for any and all help.
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Thread: Equipment on a Engine?
02-28-2001, 01:51 PM #1mike021Firehouse.com Guest
Equipment on a Engine?
02-28-2001, 04:02 PM #2daysleeper47Firehouse.com Guest
I have no suggestions for you, but that truck sounds like a BEAST. Go Pierce or go home!
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02-28-2001, 04:18 PM #3St11FireEMSFirehouse.com Guest
We are also getting a 2001 Seagrave Rescue Engine similar to the Squads run in the FDNY. Your new truck should have a TIC, Sawzall, basic rescue equip.,truck company equipment and of course ems supplies. That will make it like a squad but then you have everything you need all on one truck.
02-28-2001, 05:18 PM #4res7cueFirehouse.com Guest
My dept runs a Pierce Dash with highsides, we originally had spec'd conventional compartments and Pierce offered the high sides free to us, cheaper for them to keep from tearing down the body jig to buidl ours and then set back up for highsides.
We also have a Heavy Rescue in our house and didn't really need the high sides.
Suggest you try to equip your new engine with appropriate suppression equip and whatever equip you could offer to support your rescue/ truck companies.
Make your wish list and then decide what you absolutely need or can afford and then equip the pumper accordingly. Don't jam the compt's so as to affect your efficiency.
Place the equip in the compt, dry fitting the equip before you drill hole #1, makes it look better.
02-28-2001, 07:12 PM #5FiRsqDvr45Firehouse.com Guest
Obviously consult NFPA 1901 for things to put on it but also consider scoping out ISO's information to see if you can get more points for the unit by adding additional equipment.
03-01-2001, 01:05 AM #6tlfd600Firehouse.com Guest
Well this is my opinion and I don't know what your money situation is. A hydralic rescue tool that is a combo spreader/cutter would be a good idea if you don't plan on getting too much into rescue but still can help in other situations, a few PPV fans, Salvage covers, 3 gallon or so water cooler so yall don't get dehydrated on the fire scene. First aid kit, and if you can at all get an AED, if not for the citizens for your fellow fire fighters, heart attacks are a big if not the biggest cause of fire fighter death. If it is an in district working structure fire we usually have ours on scene and about to put on on our engine. Plus all your usual tools and nozzles, also chain saw for ventilation and one of those fancy K-12 saws if you can afford them, never used one but they seem nice. Hope this helps you a little.
03-01-2001, 09:20 AM #7FireOneFirehouse.com Guest
Place the equipment your department needs to operate at an incident. Do any other trucks operate with this engine? How will you use this truck?
Our department is finally realizing an engine can perform multiple operations and are utilizing them as such. Along with standard engine NFPA requirements, PPV fan, extrication tools, BLS equipment, etc.
You should of planned for the placement of equipment prior to ordering the truck, not now.
03-01-2001, 09:47 AM #8S. CheathamFirehouse.com Guest
Sounds like a great truck. I have to agree with the others: be sure you take a hard look at how your equipment is stored. Since you have the capability to carry 10 people you should carry a significant number of hand tools. Be cautious what you store in the compartment on top. This is going to be a precarious place to get equipment from and your most commonly used equipment should be elsewhere. You might want to consider a DeWalt 24V cordless sawzall with extra battery. We started using them on our rescue truck, but liked it so much we added one to our engine and found numerous uses on the fireground. I am a firm believer in everyone possible getting a radio so consider 10 radios.
03-03-2001, 12:57 PM #9fire69dawgFirehouse.com Guest
I agree with checking NFPA and ISO standards. I brought our first line engine uo to ISO standards. In our dept., for what ever reason, we get a new truck and they want to throw all equipment on there. Instead of reasonablly looking at our trucks and their compartments, they would rather CRAM all the equipment into one truck.I hope you don't have that problem
03-03-2001, 02:27 PM #10haliganpgFirehouse.com Guest
We will be receiving a new seagrave in the next couple of weeks. We have looked at several rescue tools and are probably going to to go with the power hawk system considering we are surrounded by rescue squads we don't much just something to get the job started or to pop a door. As far as the 24v dewalt saw zaw you should just get the whole 24v system with drill circular saw among other things.
03-03-2001, 04:17 PM #11Tindog18Firehouse.com Guest
The cordless DeWalt toll kits are gain popularitly in leaps and bounds. Consider the entire kit, cordless drill sawzall circular saw the saws help with overhaul and in rescue ops, the drill comes in hand with removing covers on electrical boxes or various sheet metal covers where you don't need to wreck property(we are supposed to protect that) when you don't need to. BUT speaking of wrecking a good set of irons and possibly, LOOK INTO a hurst rabbet tool for forceing those heavy commercial doors that can't be done with those good irons that you will have!! Look into thse tarps that fall out of the compartments that protect you paint they have a sand bag type thing that holds them down until you pack your stuff away..
best of luck with your new piece and be safe.
03-06-2001, 12:59 AM #12570eckFirehouse.com Guest
look at your past pieces. that is a great place to start, than look at your run needs what type of calls due you run most. I would recomend an ems bag, airbags and chocks, rescue rope, a cordless sawzall and prybars for basic extrication. Next denver tools and irons and sledges for interior work. don't forget backup nozzels and supply fittings. are you goin to do vent work with this truck maybe a k12, chainsaw, echo-saw or similar tool is in order. do you have an on-board genarator? command materials such as an accounatabilty board and resource maps. start with your basics and work up but rember all the fancy equipment in the world doesn't amount to a pile of dung if you don't know how to use em.
03-06-2001, 01:12 PM #13FP&LS GuyFirehouse.com Guest
Sounds like you could put your second due pump inside it.
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