What is going on with kids these days? What are they thinking? So far there has been 1 person killed and 15 injured. What do you all think?
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03-05-2001, 02:36 PM #1mark440Firehouse.com Guest
Ca High School Shooting
03-05-2001, 03:21 PM #2GillFirehouse.com Guest
It's a shame that this has happened again. But the way our nation is heading, expect it to happen again. I am surprised to hear people on Fox News being interviewed saying that they thought it would never happen there. I think that if people change their mindset to it could happen here, then maybe threats and signs of possible school violence can be noticed and acted upon before something tragic happens.
As of now, the news is saying that the 15 year old suspect is in police custody. 2 are dead and I think 14 injured.
My condolences to the families of the students who lost their lives today.
03-05-2001, 03:49 PM #3NCRSQ751Firehouse.com Guest
What really upsets me is that our children are so conditioned to this that one went and got his camera to take pictures and another one went and got his video camera!!! They didn't run or leave, they wanted pictures!!!
Then you have the ones running to the media, smiling on camera like it's cool and it's their 15 minutes.
And he talked about it all weekend? Asked friends to get in on it with him? Even after he said he was serious they were not concerned enough to tell anyone - that says a lot right there.
The shooter was described as smiling?
Do they not know what dead means?
Who do you blame? The kid? The parents? There is no good answer, all I can say is this is really sick. And I doubt it will be the last...
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03-05-2001, 04:36 PM #4ignition_pointFirehouse.com Guest
I agree with you NCRSQ751. Unfortunetly, I doubt this will be the end of such occurances. As unfortunet as things are in situations such as this, the first thing the people involved, mainly the family and media critics, will try and point out a source to blame for the whole occurance. Over and over again I have seen people blame each other for these things, and it truly is sickening to watch such a thing. I'll put $10 on a bet saying someone will try and blame video games and movies as the prime source, once again. There is no one source for the things that happen, I believe. I think it's a system of problems that arise from many sources. People hate to admit they may have contributed to something like this understandably.
03-05-2001, 04:41 PM #5Engine 101Firehouse.com Guest
Well anyone who looks under my poster name will notice that I am also from California,I am also a year out of High School, When the Columbine shooting happend secuirty at my high school was stepped up to where Monrovia PD units were on a more vigilant watch of the High School, They even added a Helicopter to the patrol the area, Where the shooting took place is down in the San Diego County area, The young man supposedly said it was becasue he was being picked on by other kids at school, That is no reason to go kill and hurt your classmates, There was also a serious mistake on part of the fact that a friend of this coward was with the kid all weekend and the kid had been "joking" about how we was going to carry this out, If this kid had been wise enough to report it than maybe this could of been prevented, Parents need to pay close attention to there kids for it is also there fault that this happend,
03-05-2001, 04:42 PM #6First-DueFirehouse.com Guest
This madness has to stop,these kids have no idea how precious life really is. They have no concept on how someone's life and family can change forever in a matter of seconds. I really hope this will end soon.
03-05-2001, 06:56 PM #71627Firehouse.com Guest
We had a scare at our school at the beginning of last year two students were arrested for conspiracy to commit murder in a columbine style. It makes you really think about what would make people you know attempt or even think of such things. I wish to send my condolences to the families of those who died today in California.
03-05-2001, 07:55 PM #8smokeater-n-hellraiserFirehouse.com Guest
May God Have Mercy On Us All.
"I hate it when someone says something is impossible, because then I have to go and find a way to do it."
Whatever it is, I didn't do it, and I don't know anything about a fire. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
Stay safe, boys and girls. It's for keeps out there.
03-05-2001, 08:17 PM #9CollegeBuffFirehouse.com Guest
It seems to me that the common denominator in these school shootings is perpetrators who go through high school much like I did- at best ignored, and on average picked on, belittled, and generally outcasted from the "elite." High schools today are crawling with groups of arrogant, push-button gneration punks who think they're better than everyone and have some sort of mandate to make sure everyone knows it. Anyone different is targeted for abuse. Most of these targets, like myself, make it through not unscathed, but at least without killing ourselves or anyone else. What happened to this individual and his Colorado, Oregon, and Georgia "brethren" for lack of a better term, that caused them to snap in such a way I'm not sure. But one thing is for sure- we need to take a long, hard look at the real conditions inside America's high schools. Somehow Columbine, etc. has failed to teach our kids that their treatment of fellow human beings is a major cause of these incidents.
03-06-2001, 11:28 AM #10ignition_pointFirehouse.com Guest
I agree totally with you CollegeBuff, I know about the highschool environments all to well still, only being out of high school for 3 years now. What you explained, probably is a major factor in the reason why kids do these things. However I don't think it's the only reason. Anymore, especially being involved in the emergency services for a while now, I believe most problems arise in the home, with the family and parents. Year after year it seems to be an increasing problem. People who didn't expect to become parents, or those who are just down right abusive and neglectful affect their children in different ways.
However as I had stated earlier, I don't believe one individual source can be blaimed for the trouble, it's a series or 'system' or things that cause things to come crashing down.
03-07-2001, 01:07 AM #11CollegeBuffFirehouse.com Guest
Good call on the parents, ignition. They're next on my list. The parents of the Columbine shooters for example- how the hell does a parent NOT know that their kids are building bombs in the garage? Or that there's a sawed-off portion of a shotgun barrel in plain sight in the kid's room? And they were from stable, two-parent homes- that's FOUR parents who should've seen something coming. This case seems to have involved a one parent-home. The media tracked down the mother, and she's beside herself with grief. I wonder if the father even knows what happened yet (not to knock any single dads out there, just that this guy doesn't seem to be equal to what I'm sure your caliber is).
03-07-2001, 01:57 AM #12smokeeater51Firehouse.com Guest
Kids aren't stupid, they know where their parents look, and what they look for. The family connection just isn't there like it used to be. TV's and microwaves, two of our worst inventions. Take a step back in time and you will see a family huddled around a radio, or eating a home cooked meal around the family table. We are killing our selves, much to our surprise. TV glorifies these killings, and it's the only thing you see on the boob tube for the next month straight. And then there's the anniversary of the killings, and the bombings, and the shootings, and the race crimes, and so on and so forth. I know how sad it is to say, but a lot of people won't "tune in" unless something horrid is happening. Me? Give me the good OLD looney tunes, Discovery, and maybe the weather.
If anyone wants to point blame.........ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, FOX News, local news, etc.
It's the MEDIA.
No matter how hard some parents try, no matter what they do, some kids just can't be reached or "controlled", and I blame it on our society, our technology, and the media.
Let's go back to the family sitting around the radio, hell, let's move up to the family sitting around their first TV, back when TV stations couldn't show Elvis below the waist because it was too "erotic". Funny how far sensorship hasn't come. Before-Couldn't look at a rock & roll icon, clothed, because of the way he moved. Now-A fat ugly guys *** from NYPD Blue......Nuff said.
03-07-2001, 04:27 PM #13ignition_pointFirehouse.com Guest
I think it's time for family's/society to take a look at it's moral/ethical values. It's widely debated, of course, what is right and what is wrong. However, we have parents out there who literally don't give two hoots about their children and family. A look upon societies effect on family morals and values seems to have a direct correspondence. Things have changed majrly in the past 30years, and not always for the better in my opinion. One drastic point I would like to point out is outragious, but somehow true... There are 'gay-activists', in certain 'influential' positions of power, who advocate for pedophilia to become accepted and legalized as a practice! They call it"inter-generational intimacy". Is this not plain rediculous? As long as societies morals and values remain on the decline, I foresee the family environment at home doing the same.
03-13-2001, 10:48 PM #14KHarrisonFirehouse.com Guest
As I read through the responses, so many are right on track. Things are different now. I graduated from high school in a Los Angeles suburb in 1983. The worst thing that happened then was a bad fist fight. While there are many different problems and influences that todays younger people must face, so much is still the same. Being an individual , like many in the website, who responds to households every day for different reasons, we cherish the fragility of life. There is a problem, however, that is seldom addressed. The problem starts in the home. If we were better "role models" and "mentors" to todays youth, so much of this would not occur. Yes, media also has a role in this. The video games, media coverage and everything else has desensitized us as a society and that is sad. Now the four youths who were friends of the individual, and did say something and try to do something, are kicked out of school. I guess the principle needed a scape goat. Please remember, this is simply a reply from one viewpoint. Noting more, nothing less. But lets face it if we all focused more attention on our homes, less problems would exist. There are still many exceptional kids out there and if you look at their home, I bet your going to find a strong, parent-child relationship. It's time we all, including myself as a parent, take our part in this "recapturing of our society." If you can, check out the speech given this week to the President from one of the parents of a Columbine victim. He discusses this very issue. Our kids and the next generations to follow depend on it.
03-14-2001, 11:04 AM #15ignition_pointFirehouse.com Guest
I totally agree with KHarrison. The way teenagers treat each other has been the same for years I'm sure, obviously nothing has changed in that sense, which leads me to believe the taunting in the schools isn't the main factor in 'why', if it were, then why weren't kids doing this back in the 50's? There are two major influences that have changed since then. Societies acceptance of less moral standards, and the loss of the family taught values. Not to say I believe this is the only reasoning why things happen, I think it's a multitude of reasons all lumped together, however I see those two reason as the leading factors in 'why'.
03-14-2001, 03:16 PM #16ALSfirefighterFirehouse.com Guest
Unfortunatley, today its a fact of life. However, be prepared, this obviously can happen anywhere. Its not just us urban guys anymore. All it takes is a person, and a gun (anyone know where I can find either of these). I'm trying to get the city to buy us body armor just for stand by, you never know how close you could end up. You get the wrong info on the call or dispatch and bzzzz, there goes a projectile by your head. (Yes they do buzz when they go by, ask anyone else who's been shot at). But I'm in the trap of doubters with the, it'll never happen here clause. But I have to tell you from going through school where I work, I'm shocked it hasn't happened in this are yet.
The above is my opinion only it doesn't reflect that of any dept./agency I work for, am a member of, or deal with.
03-14-2001, 05:32 PM #17Althea ForhanFirehouse.com GuestOriginally posted by CollegeBuff:
The parents of the Columbine shooters for example- how the hell does a parent NOT know that their kids are building bombs in the garage? Or that there's a sawed-off portion of a shotgun barrel in plain sight in the kid's room?
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