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    FireBabe
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    Question Why not firefighters?

    Firefighters worldwide are recognised for their bravery, their dedication and, unfortunately too often, for their selfless sacrifices. Yet even now there is no formally recognised day by the United Nations to mark their contributions.

    Below is a list detailing the recognised United Nations international days:

    UN Annual Days and Weeks
    21 February - International Mother Language Day
    8 March - United Nations Day for Women's Rights and International Peace
    21 March - International Day for the Elimination of Racial Discrimination
    Beginning 21 March - Week of Solidarity with the Peoples Struggling against Racism and Racial Discrimination
    22 March - World Day for Water
    23 March - World Meteorological Day
    7 April - World Health Day
    23 April - World Book and Copyright Day
    3 May - World Press Freedom Day
    15 May - International Day of Families
    17 May - World Telecommunication Day
    22 May - International Day for Biological Diversity
    Beginning 25 May - Week of Solidarity with the Peoples of Non-Self-Governing Territories
    31 May - World No-Tobacco Day
    4 June - International Day of Innocent Children Victims of Aggression
    5 June - World Environment Day
    17 June - World Day to Combat Desertification and Drought
    20 June - World Refugee Day
    26 June - International Day against Drug Abuse and Illicit Trafficking
    26 June - International Day in Support of Victims of Torture
    First Saturday of July - International Day of Cooperatives
    11 July - World Population Day
    9 August - International Day of the World's Indigenous People
    12 August - International Youth Day
    23 August - International Day for the Remembrance of the Slave Trade and Its Abolition
    September (opening day of General Assembly) - International Day of Peace
    8 September - International Literacy Day
    16 September - International Day for the Preservation of the Ozone Layer
    Last week in September - World Maritime Day
    1 October - International Day of Older Persons
    First Monday of October - World Habitat Day
    4-10 October - World Space Week
    5 October - World Teachers' Day
    9 October - World Post Day
    10 October - World Mental Health Day
    Second Wednesday of October - International Day for Natural Disaster Reduction
    16 October - World Food Day
    17 October - International Day for the Eradication of Poverty
    24 October - United Nations Day
    24 October - World Development Information Day
    24-30 October - Disarmament Week
    16 November - International Day for Tolerance
    20 November - Africa Industrialization Day
    20 November - Universal Children's Day
    21 November - World Television Day
    25 November - International Day for the Elimination of Violenceagainst Women
    29 November - International Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian People
    1 December - World AIDS Day
    2 December - International Day for the Abolition of Slavery
    3 December - International Day of Disabled Persons
    5 December - International Volunteer Day for Economic and Social Development
    7 December - International Civil Aviation Day
    10 December - Human Rights Day
    18 December - International Migrants Day

    Whilst I agree that most of these days are very worthwhile, I admit I am puzzled by the lack of any day recognising the work of emergency services personnel. This is why I am trying to promote an International Firefighters' Day. Please visit the IFFD website and read all about the proposed day and symbol: http://www.futureweb.com.au/edmondson If you have any ideas on how fire departments and communities could help recognise this day please pass them on either here or via my guestbook. Even better if you are willing to co-ordinate activities in your area please put your details on the 'world events' map.

    Please help and spread the word. Through word of mouth this day is nearing reality with Australia investigating declaring a National Firefighters' Day.

    TC&SS

    JJ


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    Lt JJ Edmondson
    Clyde Cardinia Fire Brigade
    Victoria, AUSTRALIA


    I walk where the fire dances

    International Firefighters' Day:
    http://www.futureweb.com.au/edmondson

    [This message has been edited by FireBabe (edited 03-25-2001).]

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    RescueCoFireman
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    Most Fire, Police and EMS personnel do not do this job to get recognition, Atleast I hope not anyway.

    Glen B.
    FFII/EMT

    [This message has been edited by RescueCoFireman (edited 03-21-2001).]

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    nsfirechap
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    If I'm not mistaken(and I might be) hasn't the Federal Gov set apart the weekend of the Fallen Firefighter Memorial in October for such a purpose? If so, it's up yo us to spread the word.

    Jeff

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    BucksEng91
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    If you need some internationalist, America-loathing organization to pat you on the back for being a firefighter, then you're in the wrong business. Maybe you should instead consider becoming a racist as a vocation - the UN loooves to honor them.

    Stop putting on the frickin' victim mask. It's unbecoming for firefighters.

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    J. Black

    The opinions expressed are mine and mine alone and may not reflect those of any organization with which I am associated.

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    FireRebel
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    Who wants to be honored by the UN? They honor just about anything and anyone....I know personally I did not get into this to be honored and congratulated...especially by the UN!

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    chief4102
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    I tend to agree with the SENTIMENTS of BucksEng91 and FireRebel. The less I have to deal with the United Nations and the less they "do for me" the better I like it. If my local, state or federal government chooses to honor our fallen, that is an entirely different matter and would truly be an honor.
    Anyway, that's my opinion, for whatever it's worth.

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    Be Safe
    Dan

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    First In
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    RescueCoFireman,
    I don't thing anyone's doing this for themselves. I think the purpose here is to honor those who have made the ultimate sacrifice, at least that's how I read it.

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    SBrooks
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    Prince George's County Maryland already has Firefighter Appreciation Day (I wonder when they'll change it to Emergency Response Technician Appreciation Day). It is the Friday after Thanksgiving. On that day, the poor souls who are responsible for protecting the citizenry of PG County during the weekday, are relieved from duty; the poor souls who are responsible for protecting the citizenry on weekends and at night are called upon to staff the stations.

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    E_man9RFD
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    It really doesn't matter to me what if the UN recognizes us or not.

    We, in the emergency services know what we do and the risks that are involved with it. I think all of us got in to "the business" because we want to help others, not to get recognition from a world organization.

    I believe that recognition from our peers (that is, ALL firefighters) is enough... It is for me, anyhow.



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    AAD
    Eng. Co. 9
    RFD

    "In all of us there are heroes... speak to them and they will come forth."

    "In order for us to achieve all that is demanded of us, we must regard ourselves as greater than we are."

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    pyroknight
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    Cool

    In FireBabe's defense, she is an Aussie and I don't think the rest of the world loathes the UN the way we do here in the US. Probably because they don't invest the billions of dollars that we do and reap zero benefits. FireBabe's goal, if I understand it correctly, is to have a day where all firefighters around the globe can remember their fallen comrades together. In this internet age, I don't feel that's asking too much. To someone outside the US, the UN would seem like a perfectly sound choice of organizations to spread the word and support such an initiative. Here in the US, we know that we're the center of the universe and we don't give a flying f . . . what the UN thinks, says, or does.

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    james35
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    I have to agree with everyone else. If I wanted to be recognized for my job I wouldn't be a firefighter. Nice idea, but not something I'd support.

    Just my option though.

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    ggtruckie
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    WATER DAY what is that?

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    BucksEng91
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    Just take a quick look at the kinds of things the UN celebrates. No self-respecting firefighter would want to be caught dead in that company.

    We have local firefighter appreciation events, we have a National Fallen Firefighters Memorial. That's good enough for me. The last thing I want is a little pat on the head from some tinpot dictator who calls the US "barbaric" and "racist" while he's rounding up and slaughtering his political enemies, and anyone not in his ancestral tribe.

    Maybe it is just the US' attitude toward the UN, but I just can't fathom how ANYONE could look at that miserable, racist organization and see anything good.

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    J. Black

    The opinions expressed are mine and mine alone and may not reflect those of any organization with which I am associated.

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    RADFIRE
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    The U.N. seems to endorse a bunch of politically correct BS and I'm glad not to be included in the mix.
    Although I'm sure the motivations of the Aussie were for the well being and promotion of the fire service, I'd rather be as far from the batch of crap as I can get.
    The U.N. hasn't accomplished much in the world, but add another layer of bureacratic incompitence.
    Just my $0.02......in American currency.

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    BomZap
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    In english.

    The idea of FireBebe is good but dificil to be fulfilled. In Mexico we have a national day of the fireman (22 of August), where one remembers all the companions died in service. Serious dificil to put according to everybody in a date, but could be tried.

    Zapopan Jalisco Mexico.

    En español.

    La idea de FireBebe es buena pero dificil de cumplirse. En México tenemos un dia nacional del bombero (22 de Agosto), donde se recuerda a todos los compañeros muertos en servicio.

    Seria dificil poner de acuerdo a todo el mundo en una fecha, pero podría intentarse.

    Zapopan Jalisco Mexico.

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    larry cook
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    I believe that as firefighters, we do not have to tell someone how good we are. I beleive in the old saying "If you have to tell someone how good you are, usually you are not." Our works and deeds speak for themselves.
    Thanks LC

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    FireBabe
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    Red face

    Oh dear!

    First In & pyroknight are correct in saying that I had no idea of the issues involved with the UN and the US. The whole concept of International Firefighters' Day came not from trying to be elitist or racist but from just trying to get one day worldwide where we could ALL recognise and thank past and current firefighters.

    I am aware that many countries have a national day (unfortunately Australia is NOT one of them) however I felt it would be worthwhile to have a common date globally so we can honour all our fallen and serving brethren.

    I have only just recently considered approaching the UN as I thought it was one of the highest governing bodies in the world (from an Australian perspective). IAWF has already endorsed the day and I am approaching other International Fire Organisations. After reading your comments I feel that perhaps this is my preferred option.

    I apologise sincerely to anyone I may have offended with my suggestion for an IFFD however my motive for proposing this day was not to get recognition for what I do (40+ hrs per week (paid) and 40+ hrs (volunteer)) but for all my colleagues here and overseas who consistently put their lives on the line for their communities and dedicate their expertise and time to making this world a safer place.

    Please read the information on my webpage (address below) and give me any positive and constructive feedback on how I may promote this day to everyone's benefit so it may be a truely international day. Until now I had little or no negative feedback since the concept was first proposed in early 1999, in fact I have had the complete opposite with incredible support from right around the world.

    Once again I apologise for any distress or confusion I may have caused by my original post.

    TC&SS

    JJ

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    Lt JJ Edmondson
    Clyde Cardinia Fire Brigade
    Victoria, AUSTRALIA


    I walk where the fire dances

    International Firefighters' Day:
    http://www.futureweb.com.au/edmondson

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    TruroFAO
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    I'd agree with Bucks on this issue to an extent...If you are in public safety for recognition, you probably chose this profession for the wrong reason. Not badges, decorations, nor recognitions does a firefighter, medic or EMT make...Whatever our personal reasons for entering into public safety, I think we all are in it to help people. The rest shouldn't matter.

    Regarding the UN- I respected everyone's views, and I hope you'll respect my dissent from the majority view. It's true the organization has become overly bueracratic, but one needs to remember the UN suceeds or fails based on it's membership, the nations that comprise the UN. Write to your local congressman and tell them what you think, be it support or dissention. I would ask people who have differing opinions on the UN, be they posetive or negative, take the time to find out a little more a form an opinion based on this...Things like the land mine program are programs which help, regardless of nationality...I don't believe a policy of isolationism will ever work. Didn't work in the past, either....

    Just my humble two cents...Don't tar and feather me.

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    FireBabe
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    Smile

    Thanks for the words of encouragement and the understanding that I am not privvy to issues between US & the UN (I'm only a little Australian after all)

    This day is being proposed not to gain recognition and accolades - it is primarily to gives us a chance to remember firefighters who have gone before and to thank those who have dedicated their lives to the protection and safety of the community.

    Please read the information re International Firefighters' Day (IFFD) on the website below and offer your comments. Is you agree with the proposal please spread the word and the web address.

    Thanks

    TC&SS

    JJ

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    Lt JJ Edmondson
    Clyde Cardinia Fire Brigade
    Victoria, AUSTRALIA


    I walk where the fire dances

    International Firefighters' Day:
    http://www.futureweb.com.au/edmondson

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    BucksEng91
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    Truro -

    Hi! Good to see you back in another discussion forum. Thanks for the words of support.

    ...now on to the UN, where I'm sure we're going to differ...

    The UN, you're right, is basically the sum of its members' input. But any organization that can spend my tax dollars on an "International Day for the Abolition of Slavery" while member countries that *presently practice slavery* scream at the U.S. about "political prisoners" like the hate-filled and cynical opportunist murderer Wesley Cook (his real name, not the name he gave himself, Mumia Abu-Jamal) is not worthy of either my recognition or support. I would argue that they're also not entitled to my tax dollars, either. I am an American citizen. I am not a citizen of a world government, nor do I ever wish to be.

    Anyway, good to talk to you again, Truro. Be safe!

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    The opinions expressed are mine and mine alone and may not reflect those of any organization with which I am associated.

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    RJE
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    The real problem with the UN is that it is (nominally) a democracy. On top of that, it's a socialist one. This is a good thing, right? WRONG!!!

    Students today don't understand the difference between Democracy and Republic. The US is a republic, the UN (except for the Security Council) is a democracy. Here's where that gets to be a problem.

    100+ little, poor, third world nations, ~75 of which are run by tin-pot dictators. Yet, their vote is equal to those of Australia, England, France, Germany, etc. Now look at things like the recent "industrial development" summits. Guess what? Only 7 countries are considered in this company, including Japan and the US, but not Australia (no knock on Australia, you guys just aren't big enough, yet. You'll get there).

    Now the second problem. Many of the member nations are socialistic. They elect leaders who are socialistic. Among the tenets of Socialism is that 1) government can fix anything (the US, if not certain segments of its politicians or peoples) was founded on the exact OPPOSITE premise. And 2) Those who "have" pay for those who "don't have, but need".

    What's that boil down to? That the big 7 industrials pay 90% of the UN funds, and provide >75% of the UN manpower, to do things that are supported by the majority (remember Democracy?) of the UN members, but are directly OPPOSITE of the beliefs of at least 51% of the US population, about 51% of it's legislatures (nationally) and 100% of its founding tenets, as described in its Constitution.

    So, if you want a day to honor FFs in general, go ahead and try - I wasn't in it for the honor then, and I'm certainly not now that I'm retired. If you want a day to "remember" fallen brothers - go ahead - and I'm right behind you.

    But don't even think about getting the UN involved. They'll do something feel-good, stupid, and pointless. It will cost millions of dollars, and they'll pay 10 times that figure for it. And much of that money will come from US taxpayers pockets, who will never hear about it, because they "tune out" anything the UN does, mostly in disgust.

    BTW, did you know that Mother's Day (do they have it in Australia?) was started by Hallmark Cards? You don't need a government to get this kind of stuff done, especially with the internet.

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    Firekatz04
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    Firebabe... good post, good questions. Sorry, I don't have anything to add.

    I DO have a couple of questions for those "negative comments" that I read here. Have you EVER... even ONE TIME... said: How come THOSE guys get the attention and FIREFIGHTERS GET IGNORED!

    And BE HONEST!

    If you look around the forums pages you can see MANY people commenting on things like:1 Nascar driver dies and they want to make him a hero... 20 firefighters die this year already..., or Police officers get all this recognition and funding and what do we get? How about even in our hometown when we read about a fire or rescue. "You" make a "save",
    and then you see a picture about this "other person" or department getting the credit. Hey, it happens ALL THE TIME! I'll sit and watch the news and say "Where was THAT person, I didn't se THEM do THAT". And if you've NEVER, EVER, said it... congrats... but I'm SURE you've heard it n your station.

    Once again, we are our own worst enemy. How do we "promote" what we do? After all, that's what EDUCATION is about. How do we EDUCATE the public about what we do? PUBLICITY!!! And I'd rather see GOOD publicity about what we do than either BAD or NO publicity!

    No, I DON'T do what I do for "publicity" or a pat on the back, either. BUT, doesn't it FEEL GOOD when someone recognizes YOU for what YOU did?

    Soap box mode = OFF



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    FireBabe
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    Cool

    FireKatz ... THANKYOU! You have said so eloquently exactly what I am trying to promote here - a way of educating the public about what firefighters do. I'm not doing this for me but for all my fellow fireys out there. Ie I'm doing it for you and for all the other firefighters out there.

    Please don't argue about the UN - instead please look at the proposal and make constructive comment or take ownership of the idea and run with it in your local areas.

    Thanks

    JJ

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    Lt JJ Edmondson
    Clyde Cardinia Fire Brigade
    Victoria, AUSTRALIA


    I walk where the fire dances

    International Firefighters' Day:
    http://www.futureweb.com.au/edmondson

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    SmokeEater31
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    Personally, I agree with what was said about the fact that it is US, the brothers and sisters in the service that need to recognize each other for not only those fallen, but concern for those of us still in the trenches fighting the fight. I feel that is already accomplished though. I think we all ache when we read or hear about a fallen firefighter(s) ANYWHERE. We also worry about the rest of us that are doing the job right now. That is evident in the signatures that you will see at the end of MANY posts, in that we tell each other to be safe.
    They say that firefighters/firefighter/EMTs' a lot of times are closer to their "family" at the station than any other family they are with by blood and or marriage. I can honestly say that is true in my case. These are the people that understand my distress when I lose a patient that I felt I should have saved. They are the ones that suffer with me when we start an interior SAR and it quickly turns into a body reovery operation. I cannot go home and speak with my family about it, for more than one reason, one the confidenality regulations, and two, how the hell are they supposed to understand the feeling(s) and emotions involved? I do not expect that from them. My family at the station understands though.
    Regarding the "honest question" of wondering why some people are mentioned and we are not. I feel after almost 13 years of this, that I don't even care if I am recognized by ANYONE (civilian). Once again, they do not understand. THEY are not the ones that are going to go in with me the next time a working structure is called by the first due officer. I get the support I need from inside my local circle, AND the worldwide circle. You people are my family that understands, and everyone else is the people we serve. I understand the desire for Australia to recognize a day for fallen bretheren. I do not feel that it is wrong to desire that. All I am saying is that we should look at what we HAVE, and not what we DON'T have. We have each other. No matter where you go, you are intertwined into a brotherhood that spans generations and seas, and racial and language boundries. We are the luckiest people in the world because of that.

    No offense to anyone is intended in the above comments.


    Your Brother in the Service,
    Rob

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    Althea Forhan
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    Television day?

    I don't like the UN but I don't like NATO even more. That whole trying to blow up my best friend's homeland kinda got on my nerves. Call me irrational.

    Althea

    [This message has been edited by Althea Forhan (edited 04-04-2001).]

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