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  1. #26
    Staylow
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    WHEN IS THE NEXT ENTRANCE EXAM FOR MAYBERRY, USA? IT SOUNDS LIKE A EUTOPIA. WITH YOU THERE HOW COULD IT BE ANYTHING ELSE? IN FACT, HOW COME YOU DIDN'T BECOME OUR CHIEF? YOU ARE MOST CERTAINLY OVER QUALIFIED. I CAN SEE YOU STANDING NEXT TO THE MAYOR WITH YOUR CAPE FLOATING IN THE WIND, AND THE LARGE "S" PROUDLY DISPLAYED ON YOUR CHEST.

    I'M SORRY WE PULLED YOU AWAY FROM YOUR SCANNER IN ORDER TO CRUNCH ALL OF THE WONDERFUL NUMBERS YOU PRODUCE. PLEASE WRITE BOOKS FOR THE REST OF US TO STUDY AND ADMIRE YOUR SUPERMAN ABBILITIES.

    QUITE DRINKING ALL OF YOUR OWN BATH WATER. SAVE SOME FOR THE REST OF US SO WE CAN BE AS GOOD AS YOU. IT IS AN HONOR TO TALK TO THE GUY WHO TAUGHT PHIPPS AND CONDON ALL THEY KNEW.

  2. #27
    truck12tillerman
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    “where money was taken from safety gear allocations to cover spiraling overtime costs. “

    “The administration of Chief Tobacco has wrongfully inherited the budgetary mistakes of the previous leadership, leaving him with few options. “

    “it was not uncommon to arrive at a full box to see the uniforms and personal protection equipment of fellow firefighters threadbare. It became abundantly clear by the inane budget of the former administration, that the safety of the rank & file was not a priority. “


    “In 2001, the SFFD has been given the opportunity to rebuild the budget from the bottom up…from every “probies” salary on up to the paper clips on the Chief’s desk. With a full and fair review, the department can very easily analyze its current, and future, spending needs. ‘

    “There are no excuses this year; the SFFD can lay down a solid financial foundation for years to come if, and only if, the budget is done correctly.”

    “• TRAINING – To aid us in returning to a sorely lacking level of proficiency in suppression, “

    “We are an institution seeped in tradition and fundamentals. “

    “Honesty from management. What an unusual approach.”

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    What you dont understand LHS is that the union was PRAISING Chief Tabacco with the above comments. I am not going to sink to your level and continue this shouting match. This open forum is not the place for such a discussion. My closing comment : I hope that you are correct, and maybe this chief can help us, but god help the people of san francisco if he turns us into a LV or Fallon nevada.

  3. #28
    Double_Local
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    Man is that guy an *******.

  4. #29
    mamaluke
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    What the f*ck? Who is this guy, LHS?? Again, another guy who is either insecure or jealous, or both. F*ck him, he doesn't get it and he never will.



  5. #30
    Double_Local
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    Hey, did you guys know that the forums will automatically ****-out any foul language you use? Pretty neat.

    SFFD guys, I feel for you. I guess the "not for practical application" guys will have a field day with your department for a while. It sucks to have a bunch of salesmen and book-chiefs tell you how to run your department, when your department, and the area it protects, is nothing like theirs.

    I'm suprised though that you havent' figured out that a fleet of 2500gallon telesquirts is the solution to your accident problem.

    Remember what counts: FTM-PTB

  6. #31
    Firediver
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    Tiller and Staylow,
    Don't dispair, the rest of us know how doinks like LHS can be. I work for a small dept. in LA.(IAFF L1442), and we have those on our dept.. They think they can do the job better than anyone else, but they are the ones that usually hold back at the burners. I used to spend most of my spare time in S.F. before moving to Cajun Country as my sister lives there and have nothing but respect for the way your dept. operates. Good luck


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  7. #32
    LHS*
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    Tiller and Staylow, I see you both have a real problem staying on topic or speaking intelligently about any issuee. You'll be a real big help to the new chief.

    At least you can brag about how you were the members who screwed up 135 years of in house chiefs. Should make you real popular at the retirement functions of the future.

  8. #33
    oldE6man
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    To my brothers and sisters of the SFFD:

    You should be grateful that it took this long for an outside chief. We are on our second outsider since 1994. We do have PJs and will soon have black helmets for company officers, since our chief cannot distinguish between chiefs and company officers (guess the white coats didn't help!). Our civilian EMS staff now wears the same bugles to denote specific rank as do fire officers, although there has never been any sort of promotional examination in EMS.

    Hang in there. If he truly is in it for personal glory, he won't hang around long. Someone else will offer him a greater 'challenge.'

  9. #34
    ADSN/WFLD
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    You guys have to understand Larry.

    Their isn't a department out there that he doesn't "work" for. He is an expert in every aspect of firefighting, (just ask him) and despite the fact that he doesn't currently belong to any department he still manages to go to every job within a 2,000 mile radius of Fallon NV. He also has more experience than all of us combined. Actually if you ask him he probably started the American fire service, Ben Franklin was given credit by Larry out of his generosity.

    Oh, I almost forgot if you ask him real nice he'll get you an ISO one and more money than was put aside for the fire act.

  10. #35
    NozzleHog
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    OK, I've heard enough. Can we just go to tribal council now and vote these two pompous s#!tbirds (LHS* and Nate Marshall) off the island? Real firemen don't give a fat, hairy rat's @ss what a couple of "chairborne commandos" think!
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    Outside fire chiefs are, generally, a slap in the face to any professional fire department. I don't blame the brothers in SF for being apprehensive. SFFD, like DC and Detroit will have to suck it up for a while and see which direction the new chief takes. Hopefully he will appreciate the proud history and tradition of aggressive firefighting in this fine department and not want to be the one who killed that.

    [This message has been edited by NozzleHog (edited 05-04-2001).]

  11. #36
    LHS*
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    //Outside fire chiefs are a slap in the face to any professional fire department.

    Yeah! 2001 the year SFFD couldn't handle their own mess.

  12. #37
    Nate Marshall
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    Here is what Chief Trevino will accomplish in the next 2-3 years in SF.

    1. The entire fleet will be replaced by a standardized one where every engine, quint and rescue match their class.

    2.There will be a substantial payraise and benefits increase and a huge hiring binge.

    3. LOD- Injuries will plummet

    He has a unique way about pulling money out of thin air, and not by cutting although some fat in admin will be cut, operations staff and support staff will be added and made more efficient.

    I can certainly believe with certainty that you will see a bond issue of somewhere around 300-500 million dollars pass by a huge margin and the guys in SF will see this funding at the company level.

    He is a traditionalist meets progressive type Chief, he is also a very approachable Chief, if your a line firefighter and you ask him about something and why it is done that he will tell you straight, if you give him your opinion he will listen and take that into account. He builds coalitions and consensus and doesnt care about getting his name in the paper.

  13. #38
    hfdfao
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    Hey LHS*

    Didn't your mother ever tell you,"If you don't have anything nice to say, then shut the **** up"........

    Express your opinion, fine.

    Rip the **** out of the Brothers.......
    No Way.

    We all aren't perfect, and I'll be the first to admit that. Lighten up and have some fun.

    FTB-PTB

    Dave

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    [This message has been edited by hfdfao (edited 05-04-2001).]

  14. #39
    M G
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    Ever notice when you tell firemen they are wrong or that there is a better way to do something they often take offense and resort to name calling. Get over it you whiners and show some professionalism. I take a look at guys posting profanity and wonder if they realize how much it shows their ignorance and lack of intelligence. If you don't like peoples opinions....tuff "stuff". Suck it up. I can tell you the guy all of you are crying about and trying to shoo away spent some time at our firehouse recently to help us get set in the right direction getting a lower ISO grade and upgrading apparatus. Unless you know Larry I think its unfair to attack him. I think the difficult thing online is determining the way people are trying to express their feelings. You can articulate things better in operson than through typed text..something to remember. Name calling doesnt accomplish anything either.

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    johnusn971
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    Originally posted by LHS*:
    Tiller and Staylow, I see you both have a real problem staying on topic or speaking intelligently about any issuee. You'll be a real big help to the new chief.

    At least they are not hypocrites.

    Doc DC3


  16. #41
    Staylow
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    At least we can brag about working in a department others have heard of. Beats being a "has been" from a "who cares" department such as yourself "buff". Riding on the coat tails of Phipps, Condon, and Blackburn is no accomplishment. Like I said; they have more time on the poles than you have as a firefighter. Keep listening to your scanner and watching our accident statistics. We'll just keep doing what you wish you could have done, fight structure fires.

  17. #42
    LHS*
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    Staylow,

    Why do you keep talking about "they have more?" What about you sport???

    Anything constructive to add??

    //At least we can brag about working in a department others have heard of

    Yeah for all the wrong reasons! Don't forget you can also brag about making sure chiefs don't come from within now too!

    //you could have done, fight structure fires.

    Been there done it, no biggie. "not rocket science remember????

  18. #43
    mongofire_99
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    A question for the boys from San Fran...

    What evidence do you have to support your opinions that Trevino will change your whole operation to the point that:

    we will never be allowed to enter a burning building ever again

    Did he do that in Vegas?

    How many people are going to die as a result of letting the types of structures we face on a regular basis burn!!

    What types of structures in Vegas did he give the let it burn oreder for?

    This place is going to turn into another "safe" department.

    What's a "safe" department?

    Just watch how much our annual fire losses are going to go up.

    How much did Vegas' go up?

    You and I both know he is going to close firehouses,

    How many Vegas stations did he close?

    the king, i mean mayor has to have a person that will do his every bidding and who he can give the kickback money to when he closes our firehouses.

    Trevino is corrupt? You should immediately call Clark County District Attorney and inform them. I am sure that they will be happy to hear your evidence supporting this and to not report it is obstruction of justice.

    But first, what evidence do you have to support this?

    And one more question....

    Who did 798 support for mayor?

  19. #44
    BIG PAULIE
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    I work for Las Vegas and found most of what has been said to be false.
    1.Larry Stevens is not on our department and does no business with us. That means no training, consulting, ISO work. NOTHING.
    2. Chief Travenio never changed our tactics to a none interior mode. We have been fighting fires for years the same as we still do. When we need to go interior we do and when we need to go transistional we do.
    3. We do get mobile home fires, car fires house fires, Apartment fires, ( some times the entire complex due to old codes). We get construction fires ranging from houses to large multi- family buildings.We even get an occasional high rise fire. The sprinkler codes are not as good as you might think.
    4. The statement that was made about Mario being love by all in Vegas could not be farther from the truth. In fact he is not going to be missed at all. By the way can you say San Francisco Fire and Rescue. He likes that name.
    5. We do have all new units thanks to the hard work of Chief Gammon. He is the one that first came up with the plan and implemented it. Mario was his boss.
    6. Mario likes to look good.

  20. #45
    Brian Dunlap
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    OK, OK, LHS and truck12tillerman RELAX and let's let the Egos and hormones under control... First truck12 I have to take some offence to you calling a City like Las Vegas "Mayberry" I lived there for a short period of time in late '95 and early '96 and founf the Fire Department there to be Very Well Trained, Equipped, and Freindly to Outsiders like my-self. The City It-self is rather large and is protected by both a City Department and The Clark County Fire Department { Another ISO Class 1 Department } These Guys, In my opionion really have thier stuff together -- I've seen them be aggressive interior firefighters beleive it or not they do wear and know how to use air packs !! There are parts of Las Vegas and North Las Vegas that make San Fran's Mission District look like Disneyland And Yes I do Agree LHS Should not have Posted the Entire SFD Accident Stats that was accessive --- Now I can't comment on the SFD Operation because I've never been there and can only go on what I've read about the Department --- and it's areas { Which is where I relate my Mission District Comment from } ---- What both of you need to do is CALM DOWN and be thank-ful you have careers in the Fire Service --- I know alot who aren't as lucky. Let the New Chief in and Give him a Chance --- feel him out and If you are getting bad vibes then complain but these forums are not the place to have a ****ing contest with someone else who knows the New Chief and his abilities. I'm sure he is a Very Intelligent and Knowlegible person or he wouldn't be in the position he is --- Now LHS Please let this thing Rest truck12tillerman is only concerned with the future of his department which would probably be your reaction if I was hired as Las Vegas's Chief --- truck12 has alot of pride in his department as I'm sure you do with your own and I think One of his main Concerns is, Like with all New things that happen, How will things end up ?

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    Brian Dunlap
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    LHS,

    After taking a moment to reflect and reading the post above my first one by BIG PAULIE from Bolder City -- I Have to ask ... Are you really a Las Vegas Firefighter ? According to BIG PAULIE You aren't even associated with the department. I seriously hope you aren't making all of your information up and discrediting a department I have the Highest Amount of Respect For -- There have been other "Imposters" on these Fourms like DFD132LT for those of you who may remember----look what happened to him -- LHS If you are a LVFD Member and Sincere and accurate in your research then Fine I applaud your efforts but if you're lying ...well....You'll have to live with that ~ I just wanted all this to be CLEAR -- I'm not trying to start anything

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  22. #47
    CaptainCarp
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    O.K. already. It sounds to me like you all wanted someone from your own Department. Thats fine. But have you ever worked with someone from outside?
    Did theybring new ideas Good or Bad?
    Did you learn anything from them?
    Did they screw up your operations?
    I've been reading all of the post and I have to agree with some and disagree with some to. There was a comment about 99.9% sprinkled buildings and that the only thing the NVFD would have to worry about was mobile home fires. I feal that having 99.9% is just good planning. I'am sure that both the acting Chief and the new Chief have thier pro's and con's. I feel that you sould what and see what happens. If things go bad you have the union to go to. And if things go good roll with it. We sould continue this topic in a few months after the SFFD has had a chance to work with the guy. I can say that I've had the chance to work with a Chief from outside the ranks. Things didn't work because the city didn't want changes. They wanted the good old boy from the ranks that would be a yes man. If we don't allow change we will see nothing good happen.

    Stay safe and get off the bashing trip on one another.

  23. #48
    LHS*
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    There is no way the new chief will notice that SF is smaller in size than Corpus Christi, Texas, that it only has 1500 more firefighters, and 30 more stations.

    No he was too busy applying for the chief's job in Houston, Texas

  24. #49
    mongofire_99
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    Are you [LHS*] really a Las Vegas Firefighter

    Where in this entire post did he claim he was?

    I've read through this thing three times and still can't find it...

  25. #50
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    Originally posted by LHS*:
    “Little rural department”

    “little huh? Last time I checked, Our response area was 107 times larger than yours, LOL. Dang, we even have a better ISO rating. We don’t use wood ladders or non-standard couplings sizes. We don’t use bronze spanners and certainly not bronze couplings on firehouse, LOL like you do. We don’t use 3 inch hose for handlines with little bitty nozzles on them. We don’t have an engine every single square mile of our city like you do (gee I wonder why they are going to close stations?), you only have 2/3rd’s more ambulances than we do (golly think that is why they are expanding your EMS? Your ratio of population to ambulances is 1 to 83,000 our “small rural” town has a 1 to 5600 ratio…Gee, 14 times better! With 70% of your calls EMS and only 18 of 96 units assigned to that mission…Gee you sure make it easy for the next guy to be a hero. NO WONDER THEY ARE BRINGING IN AN OUTSIDE CHIEF, lol ). We don’t wear non-NFPA compliant wool dress pants to fight fire in either. Our firefighters don’t talk about other peoples “peckers” on line, must be a habit huh?

    “,The Chief of Department directs, plans and organizes the activities and the operations of the Department..” Sounds like a management position but NO you want a firefighter. I guess city hall doesn’t see it that way or your Fire Commission. Next time you storm a Commission meeting you might want to ask what ramifications it will have on the next chief, LOL. Looks like you won the battle but lost the WAR!

    “Continuously monitor and evaluate the efficiency and effectiveness of the Department's organizational structure and service levels.”

    Maybe a bit more EMS?

    //"fire buffs"

    Sounds to me you’re running a club, I guess the Commission and Mayor agree…”Stealth Retirement” and now and outside chief.

    Hmmm, last time I checked we still promote within, at least you can say when you retire and tomorrow around the kitchen table that you were the generation that after 135 years of in house only chiefs wasn’t good enough to promote! Nice legacy!

    Nice job staylow, you couldn’t support a single claim you made, typical for


    Truck12tillerman


    // if you worked for any departments in the bay area it must have been somewhere pitiful like piedmont or another pennisula department.

    “I was not insulting you or your department, and I apologize for the inference. “ Didn’t take you long to attack another department did it?
    Talk about short man’s complex every department but yours sucks eh? Yeah, you’re a real pro. No didn’t work for them.

    // Because you would have been knocked on your rear end.

    Why don’t you and staylow stop all the gay talk about rear ends and peckers most of the people on this forum aren’t into the Sodom and Gomorrah stuff you guys like.

    //the "big boy" departments.

    Every other department in the bay area puts their fires out and comes to the big boys aid when you can’t handle your own fires like Wednesday night, dang only burned 15 houses down in one fire.

    //Peninsula departments

    Gee, every department without exception ins bad, you’re the only real firefighter. You are on this board whining and you want your fellow firefighters to support you after comments like that? Well you know what your fire comission said about the firefighters of SF don’t you? Here is what he said, “firefighting required minimal intelligence and “was not rocket science“ Comments like the two of you have made supports what he said to a T.

    /”big Boys”

    Even the big boys invited 35 other departments before they called you to drive the 8 minutes to Oakland. Just like Wednesday night. What does Oakland know you aren’t telling us???? In just 40 minutes you were there a whopping 1 hour 20 minutes after MA was called.. Very fast!

    “ICS procedures suffered somewhat because the Department doesn't sufficiently practice for large-scale disasters,” Gee I wonder who’s job it is to practice? The fire departments?

    //Volunteers

    What is your problem with volunteers? They baled your FD out numerous times here is one: “Use of volunteers: Citizen-volunteers were instrumental in laying more than one-half mile of five-inch hose from the 100 block of Alvarado Rd. to the firefront. In some cases, a line of citizen- volunteers passed 100-foot bundles of five-inch hose hand-to-hand along Eucalyptus Path and they also wrestled three- and five-inch leads up steep hills to the firefront. Still others courageously fought the conflagration alongside firefighters. Their efforts in suppression were invaluable“

    Here is another: “The deployment of citizen-volunteers in this conflagration reaffirmed a lesson learned by the Department in the Marina District Fire. Organized groups of citizen-volunteers, when operating under the direction of experienced company officers, can make a significant contribution to fire suppression efforts under extreme conditions such as earthquakes and conflagrations. “ Oh they were written by the FD.

    // OR maybe that is what happened, and thats why you retreated to 99.9% spinklered Lav Vegas where the most fire you'll see is a mobile home or a car fire!!

    Oh I forgot, real pros don’t sprinkle because it takes away from destroying property. I guess that explains the 17 times higher civilian injury rate when you cross the state line with all those paid departments, huh? You don’t need to blame the new guy you did those numbers in house. Let’s watch those and see what happens.

    //Plus, according to your own supplied link, you are a volunteer whose department runs less that 400 calls a year, so explain that and your "we're busier" comment.

    So your shift runs 400 fire calls a year at just your station? If you do, then your FD runs 58,000structure fires a year? Gee, you’re busier than New York and Philly and Houston, yeah I’m so sure! Oh that means you are running 411,000 EMS calls a year too? Golly you are busy. Each ambulance on has 62 calls a day, one every 23 minutes, wow, treat load drop off and off again. Sorry, sport…you are slower per station and certainly per shift.

    SO don’t talk about all the calls you don’t make, talk about what you shift does, your station only…stop the WE stuff because you are’t making all the calls and you aren’t that busy.

    //You have NO idea what the politics are like in the big city, let alone san francisco.

    Yeah right, I’ve sat in Emmit Condon’s office many a day as well as Phipps. Of course You are a little fir department. I’ve worked with much larger departments who didn’t need the little man mentality you have. Who didn’t have to put down all their neighboring departments. Yeah it is the Mayor’s fault, it took the union what 10 minutes to launch a Commissioner? Where is your power???

    //Paul Tabacco was the acting chief for 7 months and in that time was able to work with the firemen, and become more respected by them than any chief in recent history!!!

    I guess that really says a lot about your past chiefs and the sorry situation you’ve gotten yourself in. I bet the chiefs are saying the same things about the firefighters and Union right now.

    //The REAL reason he want picked, was because of a few reasons, one, as staylow said, the new chief has to do the dirty work

    Because you guys won’t manage your own house properly isn’t one of them????

    /// who he can give the kickback money to when he closes our firehouses.

    //two chief tabacco is WHITE,


    Oh now he plays the racist card, this is the FD who was under federal court order for running a boys club, placing swastikas in others lockers etc??? How many of the last dozen chiefs were non-white? How many were white. You’ve played every internal card in the deck and couldn’t get the job done or the ship righted. Oh well, someone else will.

    What is wrong with that? Your union supported Gore you should be used to that nationally for the last 8 years.

    //Until you have been there,

    Sorry been there.

    //or have something constuctive to say,

    I do, you obviously don’t have the talent to do the job yourself so they looked outside. LOL, LOL, LOL

    //keep your darn nose out of the discussion.

    No, you guys are to funny to let go.

    // This is our JOB we're talking about, not a abstact "idea" that you think you might know something about.

    Come on Tiller there are 38,000 other fire departments you can name by name and slam and tell us how they aren’t real firefighters, gosh you’ve got another 96 in the Bay Area to attack too!

    Funny thing you guys are all crying the blues but your Union President is singging another story. Maybe you can kill this out of town’er off and get back to the chief a year mode you’ve practiced so successfully.

    //The best?

    Here are your recent press clippings:

    “where money was taken from safety gear allocations to cover spiraling overtime costs. “

    “The administration of Chief Tobacco has wrongfully inherited the budgetary mistakes of the previous leadership, leaving him with few options. “

    “it was not uncommon to arrive at a full box to see the uniforms and personal protection equipment of fellow firefighters threadbare. It became abundantly clear by the inane budget of the former administration, that the safety of the rank & file was not a priority. “


    “In 2001, the SFFD has been given the opportunity to rebuild the budget from the bottom up…from every “probies” salary on up to the paper clips on the Chief’s desk. With a full and fair review, the department can very easily analyze its current, and future, spending needs. ‘

    “There are no excuses this year; the SFFD can lay down a solid financial foundation for years to come if, and only if, the budget is done correctly.”

    “• TRAINING – To aid us in returning to a sorely lacking level of proficiency in suppression, “

    “We are an institution seeped in tradition and fundamentals. “

    “Honesty from management. What an unusual approach.”


    Those are the Union Directors words this year.

    So what happened just 5 months into the new year?? SO I guess it didn’t work? A guy from out of town can fix it. How can anyone read these words and not see the place as borken?

    Apparently he works for some Dept...which one is the question??
    I ahve heard nothing but great things about the SanFrancisco's FD, I hope things will work out for the better with the new Chief...

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