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    lumpy649
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    Post Strippers help FD with apparatus purchase...

    Alright- I realize now that there will be differing opinions on this topic, but tell me what you think, and be honest... was it good for that department's image to accept their help?

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    ArmyTruckCompany
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    This goes along with the beer-in-the-station thing....I just doesnt belong!! There have to be a hundred more, cleaner ways to get donations....Did I read that correctly when I saw that NASCAR built a new track there??? Come ON!!! How can they NOT get any money from NASCAR for a new engine??? 100,000 is a drop in the bucket!!!

    Many Depts already look bad enough to the general public.......This one will most definetly join the list in my opinion

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    CFD14
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    Thumbs down

    Can anyone say SIN! I'm sure that will fire up some non-Christians/secular Christians who think that there is nothing wrong with strippers/pornography. I think that as a profession, firefighters should be held to a higher moral standard. I know small departments have to find new and innovative ways to raise monies, but I agree with ya ArmyTruck, alcohol and strippers shouldn't be associated with the Fire Dept.

    My questions are, Why did Nascar build a track next to a town of 150? Isn't that a little small for a NASCAR track? Is there a bigger city close by that could provide the necessary apparatus and manpower? And like ArmyTruck said, Ask NASCAR for a big % of the capital needed. They should have enough, even if they charged a littler higher admission to help defray the cost.

    just my $0.02.


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    gah74
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    Exclamation

    Well, it's easy for me to say, b/c my dept. doesn't have any trouble securing good equipment, but using funds generated from a strip club is not a good image for the fire service.

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    FFJRE32
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    I think the first thing thats needs to be looked at is that there were business in that fire deptments area that there were willing to help them buy a new truck we dont know if nascar turned them down and maybe that was the only land they could get to build the track my thoughs are dont bite the hand that will feed you. maybe that was the only way they could get money in some parts of the u.s. thats the only way cause noone else will help youand the strip place wasnt the only business in the building there were two more that were helping them with the donation.

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    Fire Line
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    Don't blame the FD. Blame the politicians for allowing the speedway not to pay taxes so the FD wouldn't have had to do something you find unacceptable. If stripping is legal in Kentucky, then I see nothing wrong with it.

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    FP&LS Guy
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    While we are at it, we should get fire departments to stop raising money through Bingo. Gambling is wrong and shouldn't be allowed.

    And bake sales .... God forbid someone is allergic to something in one of the baked products and they have a severe reaction. Think of the liability.

    And boot drives .... we are contaminating America's money with foot fungus !! That should be in violation of Federal law.

    Geesh, lighten up. At least the customers know they are a little safer with some firefighters in the building. Like Fire Line said, it's legal in that state. It's not like they are having strippers perform in the station to raise money ...... hummmmmm.

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    SFD-129-3
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    Now let me guess.......how much funding do you get with 150 citizens in how many square miles? my bet is close to CFD14's $.02! They are doing what has to get done and of course now they are getting criticized. Maybe its departments like these that flood the gov with apps for the fire act money. At least they are doing what they have to do to fund their department and guarantee service to their town and people passing through it. I can't imagine NASCAR would be too willing to finance a new piece for 2 or 4 races a year. I live 15 miles from Pocono, where nascar races as well as Arca and have never heard of nascar providing a piece.

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    Engine69
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    Smile

    In case someone breezed past it like I did... http://server.firehouse.com/news/200...strippers.html

    I tend to agree with those who feel you have to take what money you can get. Not that I am an expert, but most of the time, when you find an adult business in a rural area, that is about the ONLY business in that area. If that business owner wants to support the fire department that protects his investment, the fire department should gratfully accept the donation.

    FP&LS Guy touched on an interesting comparison. Exotic dancers in the fire station for a fund raiser would probably be a bad thing. I wonder how many departments have some kind of "festival" at their station that offers beer for sale to raise money? I do know of a couple in this area that set up a "beer garden" at their village parks (where alcohol is normally prohibited) to raise money. How critical should we be of them? How about a department that set up a tent in the park at a festival a few years ago at a festival and hired exotic dancers to perform as a fund raiser?

    Unfortunately, our society has its wires crossed to where a great deal of money goes to undesirable businesses. At the same time, public safety is forced to beg to survive. So, if the strip club has money to give away, the fire department might as well get it. If they don't someone else will.


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    STRIPCLUBKING
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    FOR ONE THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH NAKED WOMEN OR STRIP CLUBS. AND IF YOU THINK THAT TAKING DONATIONS RECEIVED IN A STRIP CLUB IS WRONG THEN I THINK ITS TIME FOR YOU TO WAKE UP AND ENJOY THE FINE ACTIVITIES THAT TAKE PLACE IN THESE GREAT ESTABLISHMENTS

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    Nick SBFD 6
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    Red face

    How could we possibly justify fund raising if we turned down someones donation regardless of where it came from? As far as I'm concerned it is a group of citizens who made a kind geture towards their community, something we'd all want. Hey like FP&LS Guy said, lighten up a little.


    -Nick

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    CFD14
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    Naked women compared to Bakes sales?????? FP&LS that is quite a stretch of your imagination, I do hope you didn't snap anything.

    btw, Our Boot Drives go directly to MDA, not our own coffers.

    I'll leave Bingo to the American Legion and VFW.

    SCK, yes there is something wrong with those establishments, but that is a whole nother thread on a whole different forum.

    Morals, Values and the TEN COMMANDMENTS, of course Liberals never want to be confronted by any of those "words". Truth.

    SFD 129, Does NASCAR expect this small fire department to protect their track? To run Rescue at their track? To protect the fans that come to their track? If so, they need to: 1. Hire a bigger/better equipped dept. 2. Provide the necessary equipment/manpower for 2-4 races per year. or 3. Help out this dept and financially aid them in a properly spec'd apparatus and equipment.

    Just cause you haven't heard of it, doesn't mean it hasn't or can't happen.

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    Eng522ine
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    Well, I may as well throw my .02 in on this one...

    I say, take it where you can get it. If the strip joint is willing to help the department, you'd be a fool not to accept the help.

    As for those that are too high and mighty to accept the "dirty money" from such a sinful establishment, when's the last time you researched where YOUR donations come from? How do you know that the money you accept gratefully isn't dirty? Don't be so quick to judge.

    CFD... don't forget that even Jesus was known to associate with people that you seem to have labeled as undesirables. As long as we maintain OUR standards personally and as a department, I fail to see how something like this could be a bad thing. Remember, we're not perfect either and a sin is a sin. To quote Jesus, as written in John 8:7, "...'If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone...'" (quoted from NIV).

    Also, as far as public perception and the department's image, in a town of 150 I'd hazard a guess that no less than 20-40% of the townsfolk frequent this establishment. So, how can this have a negative effect on the department's image?

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    SFD-129-3
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    "The Sparta Fire Department is composed of seventeen volunteers and serves a population of approximately 150 people. The town covers about 6.7 square miles, which is the largest town in the county."
    According to the article, CFD, they are the big department. And it is the speedway that hosts races, Nascar is more or less renting the track for those weekends. Most services are contracted out on race weekend, ems is a private provider, fire and rescue are hired by the track for that weekend. Security is the same thing. Obviously a town with 150 people over 6.7 square miles wont be able to handle a weekend race drawing 100,000+.
    I am glad you are able to donate your boot day to MDA, leave bingo to the VFW. If only all other departments were that financially secure. Its not against the law!
    btw SCK, LMAO!

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    firefighter26
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    Not every hall has the cash base to buy the equipment they need. Have you ever been told "not to take all the trucks to a call so the department can save on gas."

    If given the choice between taking the money someone is willing to give you, or unsafe equipment, most people could swallow their pride and take the money and buy a new truck.

    It isn't anymore "dirty" then getting money from taxes, is it? At least it was given freely, no taken.

    Good thing they didn't need to buy an ladder truck.

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    TruckCo
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    You come to a street corner and see a man standing there holding a cup and a sign asking for money and you think, look at this guy begging for money. You come to the next corner and you see firemen holding boots and holding up a sign for money and you think that is heroic. I think we are missing the big picture here. This is a small town of 150 people. Being I don't know all the details of the racetrack and the politics behind it I have to commend the community for pulling together and supporting the department in their time of need. Know matter who they are and what they do for a living. Remember some of us dont have the good fortune of having a big budget. My final thought on this is do you really think the people of this town are going to care how a fire truck was purchased or with whos money as long as a fire truck shows up when they call for one. Lets not judge to quickly till we have had to respond in their boots.

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    Grit
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    I can't think of a better match than strippers & firemen.


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    Brian Dunlap
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    I have to give the "Thumbs Down" to utilizing Strippers in the Fire-Hall to raise Money for the company...There are so many other ways to fund raise like Hogie Sales, Bingo { Not my personal favorite } coin drops, door to door fund drive { A Mailer/Stuffer the members walk door to door leaving the information on the front door of the residence } and they mail back the donation.....Car Washes, Ham Suppers, Beef and Beer Socials, Ect.... the list could go on and on....But Strippers ? NO ! Bad image on the Fire Company not to mention most Volunteer Fire Company Club Rooms are viewed by the general public as "Drunk Tanks and Card Rooms" where the members gather to drink and get bombed --- Throw some naked women dancing on the bar/tables into the mix and you have an all male night club that doesn't need a liquior license...I Personally don't have a problem with strippers in general infact I have been known to attend a few clubs in my day but the Fire House isn't the place for it....Hell the Beer is bad enough with some companies let alone anything else...Although I give these guys credit thier idea on Strippers as a company fund raiser has got to be an original one....It took some brass Bal*s to do it !!

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    tinner
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    Greetings,

    >CFD14
    Morals, Values and the TEN COMMANDMENTS, of course Liberals never want to be
    confronted by any of those "words". Truth.<

    I remember one something about steeling. Hopefully they aren't doing what

    firefighter26 said
    >It isn't anymore "dirty" then getting money from taxes, is it? At least it was given freely, no taken.<

    and applied for the FIRE Act money, and then complain about this.

    Brian Dunlap, I hope, that if that is the best understanding of what what was writen that you didn't fill out the FIRE Act application for your dept. (and expect to get it)
    The strippers weren't at the fire house.
    Pay attention, I say pay attention boy.

    I think some big chicken on a cartoon said that.

    Yep, that's my opinion. Just mine.

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    jedge168
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    Cool

    Ok, when you get right down to it, it was the citizens of the community giving money to their fire dept. Like was said earlier, how do you know where your donations come from? How do you know you're not accepting money from the local drug dealer who wants to make sure that you can protect his meth lab? All in all it sounds like they did what they had to to get the money they needed. I don't necessarily condone what they did, but I don't really have that big of a problem with it either. In fact, I believe I laughed when I read the article.

    And for those of you that have been bringing religion into this, let's not. There are as many different religions out there as there are users on this website. Just because you don't believe or agree with it doesn't give you the right to dictate what others think or believe. I do seem to remember a portion of the Constitution of The United States related to "religious freedom".

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    sloepoke1
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    There is some confusion on this subject. The big thing is, is that NASCAR DID NOT build a track in Sparta KY but rather a group of businessmen led by Jerry Carroll. These businessmen built here because the cost of the land was cheaper than nearer than either Cincinnati Ohio or Louisville KY. So they went in between the two cities where the better deal was and the amount of land, required for the complex, was located. Yes they want to host NASCAR races at the racetrack but they also host a variety of other styles of motor races. Also the ladies at the club was not asked to help the Sparta dept but rather they heard that the dept may be in need of help and offered to help and being the small community that Sparta is how could they turn it down? Also think about this the tax breaks giving to the track is normal business practice here in Kentucky, so as to get big business to locate in the area.

    Army says that there must be a "hundred more, cleaner ways to get donations...." Well the last time I went through Sparta I remember seeing the businesses that were mentioned in the article plus a small antique shop and a landscaping company, that is ran out of the owners garage. You add all that with the 150 residents and you might get some donations to make a dent in buying a truck. You can only ask the same folks the same question for so long before you start getting doors slammed in your face. So why not go to folks that would expect you to show up to help them if they needed it and ask them to help you? Once again I must say the ladies volunteered to donate the money.
    Also one must remember that NASCAR rules state that the track must provide rescue crews so the Kentucky Speedway has gone and purchased all the required equipment and hired their own crews and have followed specialized training guide lines to get these personnel ready.

    I don't know all the reasons behind the Sparta FD buying a new truck was but I am sure that the track and the new businesses had allot to do with it. And the strip club is included in with the new businesses as these two types of businesses are usually found fairly close to one another.

    Also Brian Dunlap it sounds to me that you need to go back and reread the article because it clearly states that the firefighters go to the club one night a week to collect the donations. No where in the article does it say the ladies are dancing inside the station as a way to help raise money for the dept.

    And a few of the rest of ya need to read the article also because the chief is quoted as saying that " We are still going to have bake sales...." so this is not their only fund raiser just one option that was opened to them. I for one say keep up the good work ladies!!! Ya'll saw a need in your community and you are doing what you can to rectify the situation.

    I will get off my high horse now but it sounded like some folks were condemning some fellow firefighters for doing what they have to do to protect their community with only partial facts. Now I only up-graded ya'll partially as I don't know all the facts behind the story but from what I do know it sound to me the Sparta Fire Department got the SHORT END of the stick when all these new businesses where approved and now that they are trying to utilize some of these businesses to get the required equipment ya’ll want to criticize them for accepting donations from strippers that are employed within this dept area and may even live within the community.

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    SFD-129-3
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    Talking

    True 'dat, sloepoke! True 'dat!

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    NCRSQ751
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    Cool

    I see nothing wrong with taking money that was raised by strippers. I think at least my chief might disagree with members in some form of uniform going to collect it..but taking money where you can get it is simply survival in this world. Get over it!

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    OFDLUIT33
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    I don't think anything is wrong with this. The girls offered it's not like the FD went and asked. This is no different than if an upscale resturant in a larger town donated 15% of the nights take to help the FD purchase equiptment. I say if your department is that short funded take the cash from anywhere you can get it as long as it's legal.

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    tinner
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    Hi again,
    Just had a brain fart,

    Grit posted
    >I can't think of a better match than strippers & firemen.<

    Add a few racing fans and I would almost be willing to wager that the nights surrounding the racing nights the FF might do fairly well.

    and jedge168
    >And for those of you that have been bringing religion into this, let's not. There are as many different religions out there as there are users on this website. Just because you don't believe or agree with it doesn't give you the right to dictate what others think or believe. I do seem to remember a portion of the Constitution of The United States related to "religious freedom".<

    I have yet to look at the rules on proper posting on this forum and if I find them and they support your statement it may be considered. Until then I seem to remember something about free speach. Wonder where I read that?
    Yep that's my opinion. Just mine.

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