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    EngineCo
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    Post Preconnect lengths

    All departments use different lengths when it comes to preconnects. My department, or I should say my engine, has 4-200 foot 1 3/4 inch preconnects as initial attack lines. What lengths do your department use? Site examples of when longer or shorter hose lengths were needed as well.

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    gah74
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    The engine I'm assigned to has four preconnects:
    1 100' 1 3/4" (usually for car fires)
    1 150' 1 3/4"
    1 200' 1 3/4"
    1 200' 3"
    Occasionally we need longer handlines to get to the back of some of our apartments. We pull the 200' of 3" out and bring our high rise pack that has 150' 1 3/4" w/ a gated wye and hook that to the end of the 3" line.

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    Truckie5553
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    On our squrts we carry the following:

    (3) 200' 1-3/4" (baker loaded)
    (1) 200' 2-1/2" (flat load)
    (1) 200' 2-1/2" (hi rise kit)

    We also carry a 200' booster reel for wash downs and clean up. But the 1-3/4" are the first off on every fire unless the fire load is great enough to require the 2-1/2".


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    McMahan Fire Rescue
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    Gooch26
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    On our engine we have four preconnects.
    (2) 1 3/4" crosslays with 200'
    (1) 2 1/2" hosebed load with 150'
    (1) 1 1/2" trash line, usualy get's packed 150' but I've seen it as short as 100'
    For the most part they do just fine, though we did assist one of neighboring departments a few years ago when two houses went up. The house were set back from the road up an embankment a good 200' from the road. We ended up pulling a 2 1/2" and putting a gated wye on the end, then using the hose from other proconnects to fight the fire. That was about the only time I've seen our lines come up short. Now our other neighboring department was (the last I checked) packing their 1 3/4" at 300'. It seemed like it was a bit of overkill because we ended up having about 3 or 4 loops outside the structure even after the line was inside. To me it made a lot of extra work stretching out all that line then getting the kinks out. Plus I'd hate to see the friction loss. I like the 200' ones and I hope we stay with them. They seem to workthe best for our area. God bless and stay safe.
    Randall Guntrum FF/EMT

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    firedog100a
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    Our primary engine has 6 preconnects:
    150 ft 1 1/2"
    150 ft 1 3/4"
    200 ft 1 1/2"
    200 ft 1 3/4"
    250 ft 1 3/4"
    200 ft 2"
    200 ft 3" preconnected to a portable deck gun.

    the 3" preconnect is also used for sprinkler connections.

    as we also cover rural areas, occasionally, we have homes or other structures that sit back from the road and it is not possible to get the apparatus up close. In those case, we use a gated wye on the 3 inch preconnect and our stairwell packs.

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    FireOne
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    Newest Engine has 6 preconnects:
    100 ft 1 3/4 jump line in front bumper.
    150 ft 1 3/4 midship speed load.
    200 ft 1 3/4 midship speed load.
    300 ft 1 3/4 midship.
    200 ft 2 midship.
    250 ft 2 1/2 with TFT BLitzfire nozzle rear.


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    res7cue
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    Both engines have the same pre-connects;

    2- 1.75"-150' Crosslay w/ TFT fog nozzle
    2- 2"-200' Crosslay w/ TFT fog nozzle
    1- 2"-300' Rear pre-connect w/ SB nozzle
    1- 1.5"-150' Crosslay-Trashline
    1- 3"-200' with Gated wye, used with highrise pack and hand held master streams.

    Can't recall any situations where handllines were too short, other than multi story or buildings that you could not get close access to due to bridges, narrow lanes, streets, etc.

    We have had problems withe lines being too long. This usually happens on narrow streets, lanes and because the personnell did not properly deploy the line.

    We are testing some new 1.75" this fall and will probably change the all 1.75" to 200' and put SB nozzles on all 2" lines.

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    NozzleHog
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    Originally posted by EngineCo:
    ...my engine, has 4-200 foot 1 3/4 inch preconnects as initial attack
    My initial impression is that four of the same size and length of line is probably not the best idea. Not much versatility.

    Right off the bat, I'd say you need a preconnected 2" or 2 1/2" line w/ a smooth bore tip for commercial occupancies and larger, well involved fires.

    It really depends on the type of area where the engine responds. It is unlikely that a 200 foot length is ideal for all the fires you respond to. For your garden variety auto and dumpster fires, how about a 100' X 1 3/4" trash line? The 150 or 200 foot 1 3/4" is probably just right for many single family dwelling fires. What about apartments? Tenements? If you have these you might need a preconnect up to 400 feet. Got any warehouses or industrial occupancies, gonna need the ability to deploy a 2 1/2" of up to 400 feet or longer. See what I mean? The key is to get out and preplan these buildings, get an idea of which lines are needed before you need them.

    Another consideration is your manning. If you are lucky enough to consistently respond with five or more, you might consider using a bulk bed as opposed to preconnects. Just pull off as many lengths as you need of the desired diameter hose, break it and hook it up to the pump panel. Just some ideas to kick around, see what works for your dept. Good luck.
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    Capt258
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    1 - 100' 1 3/4"
    1 - 200' 1 3/4"
    1 - 300' 1 3/4"
    1 - 200' 2 1/2" Tip
    1 - 250' 3" w/ gated wye
    2 - 100' packs of 1 3/4" for highrise
    2 - 100" packs of 2 1/2" for highrise

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    Fire/Rescue43
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    Our first out engine has the folwoing preconnets.

    2-200' 1 3/4" (Madidale load)
    1-200' 1 3/4" Foam Line (Minute Man load)
    1-200' 2 1/2" (Minute Man load)
    1-400' 2 1/2" (Flat load)
    2-150' 1 3/4" Hose Packs (Flat load w/straps)
    1-500' 3" with gated wye (Flat load)

    Not pre connected but we carry 1,300' of 5" LDH with a preconnected manifold.

    Stay safe


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    BG204
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    Most of our engines are setup the same:

    Engine 1

    1 200' 1" booster line
    1 100' 1 3/4" trash line
    2 150' 1 3/4" speed lays
    2 200' 1 3/4 preconnects
    1 300' 3" preconnect

    Engine 2

    1 200' 1" booster line
    2 150' 1 3/4" preconnects
    2 200' 1 3/4 preconnects

    Engine 4

    2 200' 1" booster line
    2 150' 1 3/4" speed lays
    2 200' 1 3/4 preconnects
    1 300' 3" preconnect

    Engine 5

    1 200' 1" booster line
    2 150' 1 3/4" preconnects
    2 200' 1 3/4 preconnects

    Ladder 1

    2 150' 1 3/4" speed lays
    1 300' 3" speed lay


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    oz10engine
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    My dept uses 1-1/2" hose and all preconnects are minuteman style loads. (except for trash lines)All nozzles are breakaway type.

    The engine I work off of carries the following:
    100' trash line on front bumper
    2 - 150' crosslays (rowhouses)
    1 - 250' off rear (apts / stuff that sits back a little / if you can't position close to the building)
    1 - 400' off rear (large apts. /large buldings /schools/ stuff that sits way back)

    Survey your area to see if different length preconnects will benefit you

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    EastKyFF
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    I know of a certain Class 1 FD that has 36 preconnects on their first-due engine. They are color-coded in solid, plaid, and paisley. They were cut to custom lengths (no couplings necessary!) in increments of 18.45" to allow more effective computer management of flows and pressure. Each member has his/her own nozzle that is ergonomically fitted to the dominant hand and has a digital fingerprint sensor to confirm that the appropriate firefighter is using the line. In those nozzles, there is a thermal imaging camera to verify that the wet stuff is indeed being put on the red stuff. This eliminates the need for common sense and even a brain.

    After each call, the hose is completely flaked from the truck, washed on the gentle cycle with Woolite, dabbed with authentic sheepskin, blow-dried on medium heat, sterilized, blessed by a rabbi, and then incinerated. (Hey, you can't re-use this stuff!)

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    570eck
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    Both our engines are set up the same.
    2- 150' 1in 3/4 triple pak crosslay
    2- 200' 1in 3/4 flat lay rear connects
    2- 200' 2in flat lay rear connects
    one adjustable and one straight bore
    2- 200' 1in booster reels
    1- 150' 1in 3/4 foam line
    We carry donuts of 1 in 3/4 and 2 in
    We also have 1200' of 5in supply


    [This message has been edited by 570eck (edited 06-13-2001).]

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    bjhfd
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    For the most part all of the trucks are set up the same.
    We have.
    1 150' 1 3/4
    1 200' 1 3/4
    1 200' 1 3/4 all mounted under the pump panel midship.
    1 250' 2 1/2 also in the center, though behind the pump panel.
    1 200' 1 3/4 in the rear
    1 150 2 1/2 connected to a wye with 150' of 1 3/4 connected to that(alley lay)
    1 250' 3" connected to a stinger


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    *LHS
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    All our apparatus are set up essentially the same.

    Four bumper lines: One 50' of 1", one 150 feet 1", and two 150' of 2"

    Seven crosslays: Three 400 feet four 150 feet.

    Rear: Two 250 foot 2 1/2 or 3 inch lines. 2600 or 5200 foot 5 inch supply beds. One 400 feet 2" and one 150 foot 2".

    Flows range from:
    50 to 150 gpm for the 1" lines
    250 to 400 gpm for the 2" lines
    400 to 800 gpm for the 2 1/2" and 3" lines.

    We prefer long preconnects to make and break drills on the fire ground. All lines are refered to as long or short.

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    afd7951
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    E-79 in Alvarado TX:hose loads and Lengths
    Front Bumper: 100' 1 3/4"
    Crosslay #1 : 150' 1 3/4"
    Crosslay #2 : 200' 1 3/4"
    Driver Side Rear: 300' 3"
    Officer Side Rear: 300' 3"

    We have found that these loads work best for us. All 1 3/4" handlines have TFT automatics and the 3" handlines have Elkhart Selectables.


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    EFDems841
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    My dept runs 2 200' 1 3/4 and 2 200' 2 1/2 preconnects on each rig. Engine 2 in addition has a 50' 1 3/4 trashline.

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    jeg532
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    2 200` 1 3/4 1 100` 1 3/4 1 300` 1 3/4 plus a highrise pack with 200` and an officers pack with 100`

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    FLAME5
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    Every Engine Company here has:
    Side preconnects
    1-150' of 1 3/4"
    1-200' of 1 3/4"
    Rear preconnects
    1-200' of 1 3/4
    1-300' of 2"

    Ladder Companies:
    1-150' of 1 3/4"
    1-200' of 1 3/4"

    Hose Packs:
    25'of 3" wyed (gated) to 100' of 1 3/4"

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    GBordas
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    Our hose is not preconnected. The control firefighter of the engine company estimates how much hose will be needed for the stretch for each job. Once there has been sufficient hose pulled based on information from the Engine Company Officer (ECO) to make the stretch, the control firefighter breaks the line and hooks into a discharge port or hands it to the Chauffer (ECC). (This is similiar to what some of you do all the time with your supply hose. We just do it this way with our attack line).


    [This message has been edited by GBordas (edited 06-27-2001).]

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    FyredUp
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    We use the following:

    200 feet 0f 1 inch: forestry hose
    100 feet of 1 3/4 inch: trash line
    2-200 foot 2 inch lines
    300 foot 2 inch line
    200 feet of 3 inch: preconnected deluge line
    dead lay of 300 feet 3 inch to a wye with 100 feet of 2 inch

    Works for us.

    Stay safe,

    FyredUp

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    Grit
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    Gotta echo Hog: 4 lines the same length is pretty silly.

    two 200' 1 3/4" [house fires]
    one 400' 1 3/4" [frequent use in garden apts, large office bldgs w/o standpipes]
    one 250' 2" [house fires > 1 room]
    one 200'2 1/2" [commercial store fronts]

    For those of you listing standpipe packs, he asked for preconnects.

    But since we are on the subject, how are you handling the new code allowance for 200'hose reach in standpipe buildings [used to be 100']?

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    ARFF2/66
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    We have 2 200' 1 3/4", 1 200' 2 1/2" and 1 100' 1 3/4" perconects on all 3 of our pumpers. Our ladder tower has 2 200' 1 3/4" preconnects and a 100' donut at the basket. This seems to work well for us. But I think you need to look at what type of situations you have handled in the past, and adjust your setup to what works for you.

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    Chris McDonald
    Fairview Fire Department

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    Our newest engine has the following pre-connects:

    2- 150' 1 3/4 crosslay (madidale)
    1- 200' 2 1/2 crosslay (flat lay)
    1- 100' 1 3/4 bumper trash line (flatlay)
    This is a quint w/o a booster real, all other engines have a 200' booster line

    We used to run twin 200' 1 3/4 but some officer must have gotten a wild hair and we changed. Now there are time's when we run out of hose and use the house bundles with 3" supply and a gated Y. I liked the 200' better, maybe not for car fire's but better for structures.
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