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    Default Leather New Yorkers in service

    Was wondering how many depts out there still allow thier Firefighters to use the old style Leathers, pre skull-savers. I know they are still popular in the North-east US.
    ( I dont mean people who are wearing them without the Dept knowing )

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    I know you do

    Looks alot like mine....diffent colored shield though, hehe

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    Originally posted by PFD_66:
    Was wondering how many depts out there still allow thier Firefighters to use the old style Leathers, pre skull-savers. I know they are still popular in the North-east US.
    ( I dont mean people who are wearing them without the Dept knowing )
    MY DEPT.STILL USSES THEM BUT THEY WOULD PROFER IF USED THAT WOULD SAM HOUSTENS
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    It's don't ask don't tell around here.

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    I'm of the opinion that the old style New Yorker (pre "skull-saver") was the best fireman's helmet ever made, I'd love to be able to wear the one that sits on the bookcase in my den. Unfortunately, OSHA thinks differently and NFPA is even worse. We have to wear the NFPA Sam Houston...or else the dept. issued "salad bowl"

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    I really like my sam houston, i don't know why everyone dogs it..

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    I have a sam houston but i took the ratchet off and it is just about as close as you can get to the old New yorker as you can get Leather Forever!!

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    A few of us have them.
    This space for rent

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    I'm just happy they give us 1010's and not salad bowls. Chief would have a heart attack if we mentioned leather $$$$$

    It stays on the desk at home.

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    I know you said not to include those who wear them without the Dept knowing, but I just wanted to include my little secret. Our dept does let you buy your own NY'er, which is great to have for bunker gear inspections..

    This is how I did it, You buy yourself a good can of spray paint and some brand new reflectives, and something to cover the exposed leather up with inside of the helmet,(I use a trauma score sheet), leave the 4 way suspension exposed, and try to convince them that is the impact liner, only if they question it of course. Give it a great new paint job slap those reflectives on it, and just like that you have a sharp looking 5a helmet that can pass as a N5A, (slightly illegal helmet) that was 10 yrs ago, and I haven't been caught yet. Just like Nick said, don't ask, don't tell...SO DON'T TELL

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    SHAME SHAME SHAME! i hope the National For Profit Agency doesn't trace your ISP and contact your chief and mother!
    I still have my houston with BOURKES on it!!

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    I use a Houston with the rachet removed. Our dept pretty much lets us use anything as long as it passes inspection.

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    Daily Use:

    New Yorker N5A with the ratchet removed and the pad on the suspension system removed. Bourke Eye Shield.

    Inspection Use:

    Cairns 1010

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    Difference between original N5 and new N6?Minus hardware about a pound to a pound and a half lighter.No problem if you're a no neck!Hehehe T.C.

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    NEXT THING I WILL HAVE TO WERE ARE BUNKER SORTS,

    AND NO WAY HELL A FLASH HOOD

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    I have both the Houston and the New Yorker, I prefer the weight distribution of the New Yorker, but I am beginning to get used to the Houston.....
    Here in Northeast Ohio it's don't ask don't tell.
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    I have a Cairns 1010 and I don't really like how high it sits on my head or the wide dome. Is the New Yorker like this? I am kinda leaning towards a Paul Conway leather. They are cheaper and are suppose to ride lower on the head. Only bad thing I have heard about the Paul Conway is they weigh more than a New Yoker.
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    LEATHER FOREVER, New Yorker With bourkes. The department doesn't care but you have to buy your own.

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    Well..lets stir things up a bit here. Could someone tell me what, exactly, is the fascination with leather helmets?

    Our department does allow them, as long as they meet the current NFPA standard when purchased by the individual (the department issues a nice modern-style Cairns 660C for nothing.) Oh yeah, by the way...beware of vendors that will unload a leather helmet that's been sitting on the shelf for a few years and does not meet the current NFPA standard on an unsuspecting "firefighter." How many of you would go ballistic if your FD issued personal protective equipment that did not meet the current NFPA standard????

    The number of firefighters that are willing to shell out $400 to $500 for a leather helmet that's heavier and with ineffective eye protection just amazes me.

    .....I'm anxiously awaiting the comments on this one....wondering how many names I'm gonna be called by the FDNY wannabes....

    Captain 12..am I reading your comments correctly..that you would never wear a flash hood...????

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    " The number of firefighters that are willing to shell out $400 to $500 for a leather helmet that's heavier and with ineffective eye protection just amazes me."

    1. The helmet that I was asking about is the lightweight pre-skull saver helmet. Which is about the lightest helmet available.
    2.Here, the Bourke Eye shield are not used for eye protection because they do not offer any protection. We have them on there because they came with the helmet and removing them would be altering the helmet. Another reason is pride in the tradition of wearing them on our helemts.
    We use ansi rated goggles, face shields, and Air pack masks when we need eye/face protection.
    3.The Leather 5A is one of, if not the highest rated impact protection helemts in the fire service. the place it fails is the "spike test" where they drop a weighted spike from a height and see if it makes it thru the helmet.
    4. These leathers have a great following because they have shown that they have provided reliable protection over the years.
    5. We have been using leather helmets of one sort or another since the late 1700's. We are proud of this tradidtion, sure there are more high-tech plastic helmets out there that are molded to look like the original, but in my opinion, the "orignal" works well, is durable and provides excellent protection.

    Just some random thoughts that poped in my head. Anyone have others?

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    And like I said they look great on camera. T.C.

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