Thread: Tankers, HELP!

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    Default Tankers, HELP!

    If your fire board was considering taking your tanker away because of cut backs, what could you say to them that would show them that they are making a mistake?
    One of there arguements is that it is the least used of all the equiptment. True, but we don't have hydrants in our area of protection.
    Our Dist. has four rural departments that surround a city with it's own department. Three of the four have hydrants in the village part of there paticular area, but the majority is farm land and residentual. The area I serve in, does not have hydrants and has a combonation of farm land, wild land, and residentual.
    Any input is welcome, Thank You.
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    Need more info, how many call do you run? How many tankers are available in the area? and why are they looking at getting rid of the tanker?
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    Our Department averages about 130 calls a year. About 55% medical, 5% rescue and the rest are car fires, grass fires, structure fires and mutual aid. The other departments average less than we do by at least half.
    We have 3 tankers in the district, T-1 holds 1800 gallons which is at one department, T-2 holds 1800 gallons and it is in the city station with an automatic response to all structure fires in the district, T-3 holds 4000 gallons and it is at the station where I serve. We also have mutual aid agreements with the surrounding districts, but they are on average about 25-35 minutes away.
    Each department has about 9-16 firefighters on there roster, we are all paid-on-call.
    The only reason that I have heard is cut backs and that they would keep one tanker for the district and keep it centralized at the city department.
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    Well here it goes for all its worth,

    1. Try to get information on ISO ratings and how not having the tanker would affect your ability to flow the reqiured GPM's.The cost of having the tanker would probobly be more than compensated by the amount of saving from homeowners insurance in your district. If that doesn't do the trick try to baffle them with all kinds of statistics and data from all sorts of related things, (fact is a well organized bunch of Bull$hit often gets people to sway your way without fully understanding, like a good used car salesman) Organize all the fireman to attend the meetings were this discusion takes place to show that you all care about the decision and you may be suprissed with the outcome.

    2.(very last resort) If that does not work get the public involved, this would not be a wise decision if you have a bad repour whith the public though. ****ed off public homeowners are a very usefull tool in the politics game if you play your cards right.

    Hope this helps, We had a discusion once of replacing an engine and tanker whith one pumper/tanker we all stood our ground with some really good info to back us up and last month we recieved our new tanker, the new engine will be coming soon,GOOD LUCK!!!!
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    You have no hydrants in your district and the tanker's the LEAST used truck in the fleet??? Huh, strange...
    anyway, ISO seems to be the way to go, also harp on response times from the other stations. How about maintenance? Is the truck relativly cheap to run? is it paid for? what would it hurt if all you pay for is registration and PM on it? If its paid for and reliable it seems like a no brainer to keep it!

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    My question is what is your primary sorce of water. Do you use dry hydrants,lakes,and what distance do you have to travel to take on water in your area?

    I know that is a lot of questions all in one but look at it this way.

    We have a county SOP that says for every one mile traveled to get water on a shuttle operation we need to have one truck(tanker,engine,or what ever is avalible)per mile driven one way to the scorce to maintain a continuous flow.

    If your area has something like this in place then if you get rid of the tanker will this effect the out come of the incedent?

    Let me know how you come out of this I would be interested in finding out.
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    Thank You for your input. Your opinions are appreciated.
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    Charbo,
    check and see where each commissioner lives, if he lives in a area with no hydrants, remind them of how far mutual aid is away. they may see a need for it and you might contact more people in your response area and educate them on your needs. hope this helps Larry

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