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    Default I am already tired of the idiots; let's hear from the good guys!

    I think that it is important that we track the misdeeds, the incidents of disrespect to our nation's flag and to our fallen firefighters in NYC, but six months from now, most of it will be replaced with new episodes or will be forgotten. For instance, the "firefighter" from Ashburnham that was fired for disregarding a direct order. He deserved it. He was there only for face time with the camera. Three firefighters from Miami-Dade fired. They deserved it. How "oppressed" will they feel in the unemployment line? But fear not, the ACLU are slobbering on themselves over this one. And lastly, Berkeley, CA-enough said! Stop the madness!!!
    We need to hear about the good efforts; efforts that are underway-not at Ground Zero, but in your respective communities. The vigils, the efforts to raise money or even awareness, to collect food and other desperately needed supplies. Kids collecting pennies, the blood drives and the firefighters filling the boot!
    So, what are you doing, fellow firefighters? Share your ideas. How much did you raise? Who are you raising it for? What did you do yesterday; what are you doing tomorrow; what are you doing a month from now? Share your knowledge.
    Let's forget about the selfish ones and remember the selfless ones.
    I'll admit that I didn't go to Ground Zero and am truly regretful, but I'm not an idiot; NYC said very nicely "Please, do not come here; we appreciate your thoughts, but stay home." I did.
    I must admit that I am starting to question the motivation of some who are going to NYC and then "sharing their experiences". I am going to replace my cynicism with good thoughts and good deeds. I am going to go fill a boot. Join me, America's bravest and send the money to the families of our fallen NYC firefighters. It might not get your picture on the six o'clock news, but it will be greatly appreciated by the families who need our support. For me, that's enough.
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    Good Idea (and thats not something I usually say to a chief). We collected 65,000 in fill the boot in 12 hours (3 days). It may not seem like alot compared to other departments but when compared to the 3,000 we collect during MDA fill the boot week....its a hell of alot. We are sending it to the fallen firefighter fund. And Im ready to get back to business as usual, like complaining about having to get out of bed last night for a little old lady that was stoned on OxyContin. Her family thought she was having a stroke, I almost told them that she was totally stoned out of her mind and all she needed was a bag of fritos and some bon-bons to make her feel all warm and fuzzy inside. And since Im replying to a chief, I feel it necessary to share a little piece of knowledge we, the firefighters, have discovered.

    CHOAS-the real meaning:

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    I don't mean to steal anyone's thunder...but could you all PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE go to my forum called "PLEASE READ ....IT COULD MEAN THE WORLD TO A FALLEN FFs CHILD" and take a minute out of your day to help send your love to a child or family of a fallen FF, Police Officer, or Rescue Worker in NYC. THANK YOU AND GOD BLESS!
    Never forget those who went before and sacrified to make us better and stronger as a fire service and a nation. 09-11-01 forever etched in time and our memories. God Speed Boys!

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    The brothers on our shift erected a sign out on the fire station lawn that reads "We love our FDNY brothers".
    Even though we can't be there with them, we are with them in spirit and prayer every day.
    The community has made our sign a memorial with flowers and balloons. The citizens stop by with donations and just to say they appreciate what we do.
    Yesterday we added another sign to the lawn that reads " God Bless America".
    We felt like we had to do something to show our support for our fallen brothers and their families.
    We didn't ask permission to do this, we just did it.
    So far I don't think our chief has a problem with what we've done.
    We have received numerous monetary donations on behalf of our fallen brothers and their families.
    Representitives from our IAFF local will travel to New York to personally hand the donations to the FDNY brotherhood.

    God Bless My Brothers

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    Here in Cincinnati, we've raised over half a million, the goal is one million. I'd say about half of all the rigs have FDNY on them somewhere, mostly in 8" letters or bigger... Seven guys on the USAR team went NYC... There's a rumor that we're giving our best Seagrave front lines to FDNY. That one is unconfirmed, but the apparatus supervisor has been asking what features the rigs have...City Council approved giving five or six rigs to them...It is outstanding to feel the bright light of positive public opinion on our faces once again, but the cost was not worth it ...Stay Safe
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    i was there chief reason (as you know), and trust me . . . TRUST ME, i wish i hadn't been. it's like any ff will tell you. You don't want to see someone die from a fire, someone burned out of their home / residence and lose their possesions, but if sh*t happens, you damn well want to be there to give a hand.

    in the 17 hours on the fri following the event, i helped load deceased firefighters into awaiting ambulances which took them to the morgue via police escort. we were fortunate that night, because they didn't find any police officers. i helped load 3 from squad 18, a battalion chief, and a member from rescue1. nothing makes your own heart virtually stop, than to see a firefighter being carried in a b/b on a stokes by people who know him / worked with him. or me asking, is that so & so, ojne of a few people I happen to have known in the fire service who were missing. seeing brothers literally cut in half, in their turnouts,the parts that just kept coming, feet hands arms. i almost lost it when i saw a childs foot.

    but like I was saying, i did my part, and transported a fellow brother (even though i'm in ems in nyc, and a volly on the island), and i gave it all the ambulance had with regards to lights and sirens, well deserved for someone who gave his life for our great city, and superior country.

    you are right though, the media should adress how small town USA is doing a bit more. hell, we in vollyland are STILL responding to calls, and a guy from upstate NY died a LODD.

    be safe, and remember the brothers . . . ALWAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Waterboy620 -

    We in the federal fire service have upgraded the acronym for CHAOS to CHAOS REIGNS....

    C - Chief
    H - has
    A - arrived
    O - on
    S - scene

    R - Real
    E - efficiency
    I - is
    G - gone
    N - now
    S - Son!

    We feel that is more descriptive of the occurance.



    But Seriously now, what Chief Reason is saying makes a lot of sense. How will our actions be percieved by the public we serve in the coming months? I hope they see only the good and forget the bad. Opportunists fouling the memory of those who serve should never be tolerated but I have to wonder what we can do to prevent them from getting the idea that they can get away with their disrespectful behavior? When we see someone reprimanded for some misdeed getting the assistance of misguided people like the ACLU what does that do to our moral over all? I know that I can go ballistic all I want but what do I accomplish then? The miscreant wins and I lose. I think a new approach to this needs to be explored that will keep the service out of the negative limelight and improve on the positive.

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    The brothers in my department have been doing numerous things to raise money. Filling the boot, selling stickers and t-shirts. The total is not in yet, but it is not really about totals anyway.

    Although I too have been eager to physically help out at "Ground Zero", I think it was said best in an E-Mail I received, which said that we also have a public who is also counting on us to continue to provide protection to them.

    I found this quote that I think is fitting when speaking of the idiots and more importantly, the ones with the true heart of a firefighter and patriot;

    " These are the times that try men's souls: The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country; but he that stands Now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict the more glorius the triumph."

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    Amen, Truckman. Well said.
    You know, I think back to before the 9-11-01 incident in NYC and how mean spirited some of the posts were in this Forum and it is now a real joy to read all of the positive posts that are coming in. It feels like we are truly brothers and sisters once again. People were concerned about if they were going to get a piece of the Fire Act pie and now they are raising money for the families of the victims and wanting to do more. America is the greatest country in the world. And the firefighters, police, EMTs and the volunteers from the trades in NYC and Washington DC have made us all so very proud and humble in some respects. They have given us all a renewed focus for what we do. They will forever be in our thoughts and in our hearts. I can only hope that we will exhibit as much "courage under fire" as they have day after day since the incident. God bless them.
    Now, about this CHAOS thing. Where did this acronym originate? I need to have a heart to heart with this guy! Or perhaps the spouse of a chief said it? Is it really that chaotic when the chief arrives? Doesn't anyone feel a sense of relief when the chief shows up?
    It's good to see some humor returning. That was humor, right?
    We have raised a couple thousand from fill the boot and we are exploring other fundraisers as well.
    As I said earlier: we must keep NYC and DC in our thoughts and prayers, but we have a job to do as well. And if we answer our call to duty with the honor and bravery of those who have gone before us, the people in our communities can rest easy knowing that we will be there 24/7 no matter what.
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    $12,000 in 10 hours in a fill the boot fund raiser for the FDNY families fund. I would guess the population is less than 12,000 not bad for small town boys. The best thing were the comments from the people it made us feel appreciated. A nine year old girl brought her piggy bank down that she was saving to take to Florida and dumped it all. She said "the families need it more than I do". That was awesome.

    God Bless and be safe.


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    Department wide, we set the flags at half mast, adorned the apparatus with flags and set up a memorial display in the lobby at Headquarters. We have been wearing the mourning tabs on our badges.

    We did a voluntary toll road with the Marlborough Police Department on 28 September 2001 to raise money for the fallen heroes of the FDNY, NYPD and the NY/NJPAPD. In 11 hours we raised $42,234.

    The Local's annual fundraiser event is coming up in February, and we voted to donate the proceeds to the 9-11 fund.

    On a personal note, I donated blood on 12 September. I have been wearing a FDNY pin on my uniform and have placed a FDNY sticker on the rear window of my truck. My family made donations to the 9-11 fund and the American Red Cross.
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    I agree with everyone on here...those of us in the areas surrounding NYC and DC, etc. have continued to do our jobs on a daily basis. I hope the public continues to praise us and does not go back to the old ways of "hey what took you so long to get here". It is also very nice to see everyone getting along again on these posts...we are all in this mess together and we should support one another through it. We will go forward and we will prevail! Take care and please be safe out there.
    Never forget those who went before and sacrified to make us better and stronger as a fire service and a nation. 09-11-01 forever etched in time and our memories. God Speed Boys!

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    Hi Chief Reason, I'm a Firefighter/Chaplain with Thornville-Thorn TWP Fire and Ems, located about 40 miles east of Columbus, Ohio. My wife and I have sent money through Firehouse magazine for 9-11 Relief. Our department is having a spaghetti dinner this Saturday night (Oct. 6) in hopes of raisng much needed money for FDNY families. I hope to encourage my fellow members to purchase 12 or more FDNY memorial T-shirts.
    Obviously, my prayers haven't ceased. I'm always praying for our members, firefighter safety, fallen firefighters, and their families. I'm darn proud to be a smoke-eater! Billy Reiter

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    Chief, one more thing and I have shared this with other FF members. Helping someone is one of the best ways that we express our care and love for each other. 300 plus members of FDNY have inspired me to go that extra mile, to give of myself more than I ever thought possible. In honor of their duty and lives, I give my best, ALWAYS! Billy Reiter

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    I've really enjoyed this thread... Thanks everyone...

    I do have to respond to the CHAOS postings though... relief when a Chief shows up??? perhaps a Battalion Chief, or perhaps at 'the big ones'... but we see ours on our little bread and butter room and contents fires, and unfortunately they don't have anything to do, and they don't realize it....

    So... CHAOS often times is truer than we ever really wish it to be....

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    The City of Quincy MA raised about $13,000 at a Memorial Service held for the public. The next week, the Fire Department held a "Fill the boot" drive. Twenty firefighters raised $21,000 in two hours. The outpouring was tremendous! People were literally throwing money at us. They emptied their cars of change, including one woman who gave me a roll of quarters. Many people gave $20's,$10's-A few gave us $100's!!!

    Last week, NY contacted us to assist them with attending funerals. On Friday, three buses left for NY. Two were from Boston and one was mixed, including guys from Quincy.

    I think there are many ways we can all help and hope that these efforts continue.

    Keep safe.

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    In Corinth NY 50 miles north of Albany.The Corinth Fire Dept. and community members raised 8000.00 in a coin drop and another 564.17 in a car wash. This is a small town and village with population of less than 5000.People from neighboring towns drove out of their way to donate.This money is being donated to the Red Cross.

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    trust me brothers, we all feel you. thanks for being a part of our mourning.

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    their lives on 9-11-01, to those also lost on Flight 587, and to the rescuers who responded to both.

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    Chaplain:
    Thank you for your inspirations. I had a Methodist minister on our department some years ago. He wasn't adverse to having a beer with us and as I recalled, he smoked. But in times of trouble, he would offer us and our victims reassurances from the words of Jesus Christ. I miss him. Yesterday, we buried a retired firefighter. He was 52 years old and died after a lengthy battle with cancer. He served his country in Vietnam and brought home a Bronze Star. He served our department for 22 years and brought us nothing but his best. I will miss him too. Funny, but remembering people like that is a way to pay tribute to those who have fallen. The pastor at the funeral summed it up very nicely and I am not a church going, Bible thumping brand, but I do believe that I have God in my heart. I wear St. Florian around my neck. I believe that she has protected me. Some of you are probably thinking, why does a chief need the protection of St. Florian? Trust me, I need all the help I can get! But anyway, the pastor said yesterday at Country's funeral that just because you go to church, you may not go to Heaven. Just because you don't drink or smoke, you still may not go to Heaven and he said that just because you read the Bible and quote Scriptures, you may not go to Heaven. But if you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, you will go to Heaven. That's what I have been trying to tell people for years. I truly believe that God has a special place-just as all of America has right now-in his heart for firefighters, because they risk their lives for their fellow beings. At the very least, they ease their suffering and for that, I believe that firefighters-not firesetters-will go to Heaven. The fact that firefighters care enough about human kind every day and mitigates tragedy after tragedy without little or no fanfare is in itself a memorial to victims of NYC and DC. The fact that FDNY are doing it and have been doing it since the incident of 9-11-01, speaks volumes of their faith and commitment.
    I applaud you Chaplain 41. But a word of warning: I noticed that your rank starts with the letter "C". You may get pulled into this nasty acronym circulating through the fire service. CHAOS? I think it says something like "Chaplain Has Arrived On Scene"! It might be Captain. Yea, I think it might be Captain Has Arrived On Scene.
    I know that we cannot do this job based on faith alone, so throw in a couple of good SOGs and an AMEN or two and things should be OK. Oh and vote Republican. And pray for liberals. Sorry, Chap, I had to throw that in for my buddies.
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    We are a small volunteer fire dept. in Montana and we felt we needed to do something to help the families and heal our sorrows for FDNY. We teamed up with 9 other rural deptartments and put on a sphagetti dinner for the community. Not only to raise money for the families of our fallen brothers and sisters in NY but to come together and grieve the loss of so many. We raised $16,600 for the 9-11 fund and served 1150 dinners in 4 hours with 4 days planning. Small drop compared to others but it is raining and that is really cool. It was awsome to see people stand in line for an hour and a half to GIVE. That shows there is still a lot of good people around. All of our trucks got a nice decal, red and blue ribbon with "In Honor of Those Lost" over the top. In the back window of my ride I have FDNY Firefighters We Salute You. We just need people to know that we care and that we are supporting there efforts. I think it is important to do these things and I am more proud to be an American Firefighter now than ever. Lets all walk tall and make our family bond even stronger.

    With Love to FDNY and all of America.

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    Chief, sorry to hear about your loss. We hear that the good die young but if we know Jesus Christ as our Savior and Lord, it's the beginning of life where terrorists, cancer, heart attacks, etc. are not welcome. I'm not beyond having a beer either while watching a hockey game or sitting down with the crew after the big one. It's not what goes in, but what comes out...what's in our heart. And you Sir are absolutely right when expressing the heart of a firefighter/EMS. You have to really care about others to put yourself in situations that may turn ugly in a heartbeat...like climbing stairs to aid people to safety only to have those stairs go out from under you.
    Chaos could never apply to me, I'm usually on the first truck in.
    I'm blessed to be in the service of others and the Brotherhood among firefighters that exists. By the way, have you seen E-Ones ad in the July 2001 Fire Engineering. Two firefighters are helping another out from a structure fire. The ad saids, "It's not something we do, it's something we are" I like that!
    Be careful Chief, we need you on the fireground!

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