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    (He didn't create the diversity issues in SF. He didn't create the lack of tallent in the Chief ranks either.)

    No he didn't. But, he was hired because of the diversity issues. And who knows, maybe because of how he was hired he may just add to the deficient ranks currently in house. You know, the icing on the cake. We will have to see. Plus, he is from Nevada Larry. How good could he really be?


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    What diversity issues? If you pass the test, congratulations - you're in. If you fail it, sorry try again.

    Oh, wait, what's that? You're an oppressed minority? But you only scored a 40% on a test that basically asks you to circle the picture of a fire? Awww, that's OK. Diversity is a lot more important than having the best quality firefighter candidates anyway.
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    Necessity breeds invention.
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    Originally posted by RyanEMVFD:
    Necessity breeds invention.
    Ummm...OK. And this means....what?
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    Each and every fire department is different. We all face challenges that we must overcome and we do it. I've seen some departments do something one way and another do the same thing differently, but get the same results. This is not limited to just fire departments, this is human experience that we learn from. And I guess my rambling is way off so I'll shut up now. Sorry for any confusion.
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    Hey guys sorry if this is off topic but I GOTTA KNOW WHERE you guys are gettin the little smily faces from... someone Email me the link or post it here... thanks...
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    Yeah... I wanna know too. Those things are hilarious!!!
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    Wow we have 3 new rigs comin that means our oldest will be a 80 followed by a 91 then its 99 and up.Too bad my chiefs name is Ed and not Mario :P(oh and larry whatever the hell your name the 7th time around is Hes not from Nevada) but we will get over that part.BTW 7, Bruno still kicks his *****

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    Yeah that is true, but thanks to Mario, there are more firefighters, stations and all new fire trucks.

    San Francisco grew an impressive 7.3% in the decade 1990-2000, adding 53,000 residents to get up to 776,000 residents. That equals it's high population from the 1950s. Lil Boston grew only about 3% that decade.

    I forget where Chief Trevino came from last -- Clark County or the City of Las Vegas.

    Doesn't matter for my point, since both entities saw 85% growth in the 90s. Clark County, including LV, added 634,000 residents. That kinda makes a Fire Chief's job easier to add personnel and stations when you talk about high double digit population growth and adding hundreds of thousands of citizens!

    Just a little perspective -- not knocking the Chief, since I haven't followed him closesly, just saying you need to know a lot more than "he added people" to make an informed opinion.
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    Yes, Bruno is a bad dude. (bad as in good 'bad', like Michael Jackson bad. And Engine 58, someone else showed me this link: http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/
    take care and be safe out there.
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    Hey Ryan -

    OK, I get what you're saying now. I agree.

    And for everyone that wants these smilies:



    Go to this web site:
    http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/

    Thanks to Tailboard_Jockey for the original link.
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    There is a faction out there on the west coast that would like to change the way SWI fires are fought from the air.


    http://www.firehogs.com

    I will profess my lack of expertise in the arena of aerial assaults on SWI fires. My experience is mainly duff fires in the forests of Missouri. We don't get those west coast style wildfires here very often. IF the firehog concept will work, I say go for it. I do think it is worth looking at.

    Stay safe.

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    So why did take 20 years to add 2 fire stations and staffing stayed the same? The fastest growing city in the US. So why did it take 23 years and two chiefs to add the next station? Why do they have the busiest fire station in the US? Why have they only added 4 engine companies in 43 years??? If it is so easy to get things due to growth??

    It is so east the population quadrupled and the chiefs got a single pumper for each doubling of the population over a 43 year period.

    Name five fire departments of 500,000 or more with all new apparatus.

    So back to Mario, he left Seattle FD, next stop Vegas, he found a tradition bound do nothing low bid fire department, it took him less than 4 years to get 4 more stations, increase staffing 25% and replace every fire truck in their fleet and put a plan in place for the rigs to change forever. You want performance, there it is. If you beleive you are short staffed then either help or get the hell out of his way and let him do his thing.

    Don't worry no one uses A-10's for firefighting anymore, it was pretty cool the one year they did though.

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    My impression of Larry (the7Tower):

    Blah blah blah...FDNY sucks...blah blah blah...dead firefighters are suckers...blah blah blah blah...1000 alarm fires....blah blah blah...I'm from the West Coast...blah blah blah.......wait a minute, I'm from the "Southeast"...hey, where's my bot-bot?....blah blah blah...90% of fires can be fought with a bucket and a pocketful of mothballs...blah blah blah...
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    I'll throw in my two cents worth...

    I have no idea what the Chief was talking about with the reference to east-coast west-coast quote.

    But I do know that I have the best job around. And you probably do too.

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    I agree, said it before.

    I would ride a bicycle with square wheels holding a bucket of water to false alarms all night to work at the fire department.......... but only in the Midwest Just Kidding

    Lets have an East vs West boxing showdown at the dome in St. Louis, SLFD will bring all their quints for inspection by all of the nay-sayers.

    Nah, nevermind.

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    he found a tradition bound do nothing low bid fire department,
    Which had earned an ISO 1 in 1990, 7 years before Chief Trevino's arrival.

    it took him less than 4 years to get 4 more stations, increase staffing 25%

    Um, maybe the equipment, staffing, and station locations where adequate to earn an ISO Class 1 rating in 1990 needed to be updated and increased during a decade that saw 85% growth in population (another 220,000 people for a total of 477,000) and 171% growth in land area (45sq. mi. in 1988; 122 sq. mi. in 2001).


    Oh, and between 1996 and 2000 LV's total calls went up by 26%.

    I'm not knocking the Chief. Maybe I'm looking at it a bit different from Larry. He's complimenting Chief Trevino on "getting" 4 stations and 25% more staff -- that wasn't a hard thing to do when you look at the numbers, if LV wanted to maintain their Class 1 they probably needed to keep growing to match the expanding area. Getting was easy in that situation, **managing** the opening of four stations and the adding of 25% more manpower is by far the bigger accomplishment.

    His experiencing managing that growth I'd be interested in. What plans where in place before him, what did he find "on the ground," what plans did he leave in place. What did he learn, what did he pass on to LVFD from it.

    His experience putting together a plan to replace apparatus. Again, what was there before, what did he leave them with.

    Heck, I'd even be interested in his role in Fire Prevention, both public education and code development and enforcement, that has led to Las Vegas having essentially no growth in fires. (1996: 2,546 fires, 629 structures. 2000: 2,599 fires, 633 structures. When you figure they're population growth even multiplied by the declining number of fires nationally per 1000, you'd still expect 20-25% more fires instead of flat growth). What was the conditions before him? What did he do to improve it? For that matter, I don't have the stats before 1996 -- did he perchance stop an increase that had been happening?

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    Awwww, wadamatta, 7tower? Did I hurt your little bi-atch feelings?

    You're a little puss, and if I had you here in front of me, I'd spit in your face before I ripped your miniscule testicles off and stuffed them down your throat.

    You don't know me. But I know your kind.

    Is that clear enough for you?
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    Yeah staffing went up 25%, all new fleet, 40% increase in fire stations in a town that does not have any growth in fire activity in the last 5 years nor expects to, yet has more visitors than any other area of the world, is one of the two fastest growing cities in the US for 20 some odd years.

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