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    FF1205.....You obviously haven't been watching the coverage. There were several stories written and produced with reporters in the limelight! And don't think for a minute that firehouse's subscription rate has gone through the roof since the incident, because it has! Just look at the past 3 months covers. As for me, I am a Firefighter. That job has and will always come 1st.

    You people are on this Major high right now and there's not a lot I'm going to do to change this. Lets get this straight, I do respect the brothers in NY City and I do agree this is their fight. My story was written about the NY City FF's and it backed up every FF in the city. The determination, the anger and the hurt. If that's a crime, from this REPORTERS view, Tough!

    I didn't go looking for fame and truly not fortune. But I went nonetheless and we helped and the treatment we recieved from the FF's (FDNY) and staff were fantastic!

    This is my last posting for this subject. Like I said before, my words will be turned around no matter what I say. So keep rambling and slamming my company and service. If it makes you feel better, maybe this is good therapy!

    And for the record, for the 2nd time, it's MFN not MSN. At least slam the right company!


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    SouthBronx....my hat is off to you Brother...your words are golden. To MFN....try as you might, your freelancing act at GZ could never be justified. There were thousands of firefighters, including myself who would have responded to NY in a minute, had the call came for help. You can sit back and scream that we're all jealous because you went and we didn't. You couldn't be more wrong. I'm proud of the fact that I was available to serve the citizens that I'm sworn to protect, and we made ourselves available in case the FDNY needed us.

    Here's a question for you....being a hell of a lot closer to the Pentagon versus NY...why didn't your "News" organization send one of your crack forces of super heroes there to help? I think we all know the answer to that one buff.

    In closing, we all appreciate your concern for not taking any "close up" shots as you put it of the devastation. You're a real credit to our profession.

    p.s. Loved the photos of you two geeks posing at GZ. SIMPLY MAHVALOS!

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    PHILDABOX DO YOU HAVE ANSWERS FOR EVERYTHING?

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    There was a call for help, actually. That's why at Javits Center they had all Fire and Rescue Personell expediated through the sign in process and quickly transported to the scene. That's why when you got to Ground Zero with your turnout gear, they sent you right into it. That's why they had individuals assigned to organize volunteers. In the first few days of the operation there was still hope of life, and there was a huge demand for manpower, as the cranes and loaders could not access the scene as per the collapsed walkways. I realize that a lot of FDNY guys could not be there because they had to cover thier own fire stations. That is why I went down, and probably why others did. If my friends were there, alive but trapped, I would want someone qualified there to help in the rescue if I could not. Despite what many of you seem to think, I consider all firefighters my brothers. Sure, I may not have known that many of them that died that day, but does that mean it still doesn't hurt? Does that mean that I still didn't well up with tears when I saw the first tower fall and knew that there were dozens of FFs right there?

    You can criticize this guy from MFN all you want for his reporting style and video. I agree that the way he wrote it could lead someone to believe that he was doing it for the attention. So he's not a great writer, so what? He showed up to help, and as far as I can remember, there was no one at the gates saying "What exactly are your motives for being here?" Just because he is not FDNY does not mean that he doesn't have the same desire to help. He is a firefighter, he has probably seen a lot of the same sh.t you have, even though he is not FDNY, he has probably gone through a lot of the same emotions, even though he is not FDNY. Just because something happens outside of your local, does that mean you are not supposed to help if you can? There is an article on here right now about a FDNY guy in Hawaii who ventilated and searched a burning structure nearby. I am not in any way disparaging FDNY here, just trying to make a point. If you wanna bitch this guy out for his article, fine, but don't say that he had no right to be there. He may not have known them, but those were his brothers too.

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    Man,

    I don't know whether to be inspired or discouraged.

    So, what am I supposed to do now, now that all the fundraisers are done and the media hooplah has died down? My listing wasn't called to help, so all I can do is pray for FDNY and all FFs who put their butt on the line.

    Bronx, since this is your forum, I need your advice. I've understood your perspective, but to see it put in words is pretty humbling. If prayers are what you need, you got it, man!
    We're all in this together. FDNY 9-11-01

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    All I have to say it Amen brother! I am mearly a youngin' in my dept. but I hear the message.


    God Bless FDNY

    We are all with you in our thoughts and prayers

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    Hey XELLIC, you still sound like a self serving, glory seeking ******e! You really want to do something to help the FDNY Brothers? Follow our Locals lead....we held a 'fill the boot drive' and collected $12,000 in 6 hours, sent it off to the 911 fund. Eight of our Brothers went to NY (from Seattle) and spent four days attending funerals and memorials, and guess what? Nobody wrote an article or had a news interview, they just paid their respects and came home. You live a hell of a lot closer than us...any of you "Heroes" been back since your "great save of NY" to REALLY help the brothers? If you truly wanted to help, that's fine, but why the articles and videos? That helps nobody but yourselves, and that, I believe, defines the term "self-serving". If you don't want to appear to be a true MUTT, why don't you remove your highly offensive article and post an apology? Ahhh, what the hell, you're probably a lost cause. Hey SouthBronx, if you ever get down to L21 give my regards to Paddy Cullen, we played football together when we were kids. I heard his Co. is having a rough time. Take care and best wishes, Brother.

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    [quote]our Brothers went to NY (from Seattle) and spent four days attending funerals and memorials, and guess what? Nobody wrote an article or had a news interview, they just paid their respects and came home


    You know what?

    Thats what everybody should be doing in their 'spare time'. FF's, cops, EMS personnel, or just the average citizen in the towns where the fallen lived and are being remembered.

    You want to " DO SOMETHING "?

    Pay respects to those who lost their lives doing their job, and who were in my opinion, the first casulties of this new war.

    [ 12-02-2001: Message edited by: toneloc177 ]

    May God bless all the people and families who have lost
    their lives on 9-11-01, to those also lost on Flight 587, and to the rescuers who responded to both.

    "I'm not saying it's right, i'm just saying (the way it is)."

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    Southbronx,
    Great post, don't give this guy an inch. We all know exactely what he was trying to do and it is disgraceful no matter what his reasoning. The ONLY people to be telling the WTC story should be the FDNY......

    Also, this guy has sent me 3 nasty emails regarding his position on this, threatening to go to my Chief, MFing me, etc. Let me assure everyone that I am very scared and worried about this (Yeah right). It shows his true character. Like I said, I usually don't involve myself in these tiffs but this guy went way over the line in wackerism and it disgusted me.....

    Southbronx, if there is anything I can do for you guys from here in Pittsburgh, just let me know. We've been sending guys up for funerals and our local raise over $142,000.00 for you, but it just doesnt seem like enough for what FDNY is going through right now.....

    My prayers are with the FDNY,
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    Wow, going to your chief. That's a little petty. Thats's being a man.
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    Southbronx.....To you (and you alone) I apologize.
    I have pulled the story completely from our site, and wrote an editorial to our 300,000 plus viewers. After reading these postings, I have read
    and re-read my story over 500 times. All I can say
    is, no harm was intended, we thought we were doing
    some good!

    http://www.mdfirenet.com/article.cfm?id=282

    To Mr Crawford....You forgot to mention you E-Mailed me 3 times prior to me threatning to go to your Chief! I didn't ask for your crap, nor did I e-mail you 1st. You brougt it on yourself...Talk about a Self proclaimed Biggot! Check out this guys website!

    To everyone else, take care and stay safe! And I'll see you in NY attending some more Funerals!

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    You know what?

    If you give a guy the benefit of the doubt and say to him " ...hey, these things bother us." you would expect him to say OK and move on with life. Our pal from Maryland, however, seems bent on justifying his actions and even goes so far as to thumb his nose at us in the process.

    I know you said you were done posting here because of the injustices you were faced with, but I feel quite sure you are still watching... so I will continue.

    Comparing yourself to an organized magazine or newspaper is quite a stretch. It also shoots holes in your " We really do give a sh#t" argument. Fire service magazines exist for the sole purpose of making money for themselves and providing entertainment for the readers. It may seem like they are your buddies, but if they were in it for your well-being solely, they would hand the things out.

    They, along with the rest of the press, feel that as Americans they have an inalienable right to take pictures of, and comment upon, anything they see in the public view. Whether we want them to or not, they will print what they want to print... a point that has been illustrated for us before. So I guess you ARE a journalist, because apparently you feel the same way.

    However, if you open the copies of the two big magazines and read their coverage, one thing is glaringly absent... "I" !!!! They speak in general terms to describe for the reader what was going on at the site, without delving into detail. They also dedicated large amounts of space to honoring the men that died, not themselves.

    But again, you are missing the point, they are journalists, you call yourselves firemen. We expect that type of behavior from journalists, they value themselves more than they do us. You obviously feel the same way, as evidenced by your exclamation to us in one of your posts that you were simply not a good writer and that was why it appeared that you were promoting yourself. You finished off that statement with a hertfelt "...if thats a crime, TOUGH!"

    Where do you get your balls? A member of the department you are offending tries to inform you that you are offending his job and the honor of his brothers, living and dead, by your actions, and you reply "...TOUGH!"? If thats the way 17 year firemen in your job act, then god help the kids who are trying to learn about being a TRUE fireman.

    Being a fireman "at heart" is not only about fire duty and taking in runs, its first and foremost about loving the men in your job more than you do yourself. THATS what seperates us from the common man and thats what should have kept your f*cking mouth closed and your camera at home.

    You said yourself that the treatment you received from the members of my job was fantastic, and somehow that proved that you belonged in our city at that time. Guess what... thats not what it meant. It meant that they were true gentlemen at their core, and extended themselves to you, even though they had just lost everything. So you carried that tradition on by selling them out when you got home and then telling them "...TOUGH!" when they pointed it out to you.

    If I thought that something I said or something I did offended a fireman who was hurting like my brothers are, I would change it immediately, and probably feel like sh%t for doing it...whether I meant to hurt them or not. But you somehow feel entitled to your own rights in this situation. Your loyalties are to yourself and your buff group.

    Just the fact that your outfit labeled the brother from PA, that alerted us to your presence, as "jealous" of you indicates that you feel that you have earned a special place or priviledge... even though you were just lurking in the shadows, performing good deeds, and then disappearing back into obscurity.

    I guess the reporter from Vanity Fair suddenly jumped from behind a mailbox, snapped a photo before you knew what happened and then fabricated a quote based on what he thought your friend would say. I say this because a group with the mission such as yours, (helping us and educating your readers at the same time), would never pose for such a cheesy, " I'm in there doing it Ma..." photo as that. How many copies of that did you snatch up, or did you just refer people to your purely EDUCATIONAL (no glory for yourselves) web site.

    I hope that you are the exception and not the rule for Marylanders... judging from the other replies I think that you are. Cal Ripken would be ashamed of you.

    PS Good luck with the letters to that Pittsburgh brothers chief. I'm sure when he finds out his man was dissing a certified hero, (with the pictures to prove it) (and video... autographed if you call now) justice will be swift and merciless. Boy, he sure F-ed with the wrong guy.

    BucksEngine,

    Where exactly did the call for help come from and who was it sent to? I respect the fact that you did what you thought a City resident should do, but the FDNY did not request that type of assistance. The only official request was for USAR resources, and of those only the dogs, listening devices and search camera people were extensively employed.

    The Javits center was a staging area for all resources, the people there were trying to organize the crush of converging volunteers. The FDNY and PD did the best they could to organize the thousands of men that showed up, rather than just letting them freelance, which did go on for a while.

    But if you read my earlier messages, I do not want to come down on those of you that did show up and do the RIGHT thing. I love you for your effort AND for doing the right thing when you went home.

    Certainly, I am willing to admit that although many of us do not feel that volunteers just showing up because they were hurting was the best thing for the operation, that doesn't absolutely mean it was wrong for them to do in everyones eyes. I am not willing to argue that belief at the expense of your feelings or the feelings of anyone else in your shoes. That being all the ones that did the right thing and deserve to feel good about it.

    My problem, and my brothers problem, is with the buff scumbags that are standing on the shoulders of the true heros so that John Q. Public will notice them and stroke their swollen egoes, while offering condolence to them only as an afterthought and a thin mask of their real desire... ATTENTION. And to the subspecies of that scumbag that has the balls to critique the manner in which our brothers operated.... before the job is even done.

    The same jerk-offs that were crying about how unfair that inappropriately timed, and rightly cancelled, memorial service and helmet rubbing party was, are some of the same ones spouting off their own theories and strategies that THEY would have employed had we been smart enough to ask them. All this while my brothers wonder if all 341 will ever make it home to their families, or will simply become a permanent part of Lower Manhattan. But I guess thats just "TOUGH!" for us.

    Oh and by the way....please don't anyone write my chief any letters. He's kinda new at his job and I don't want him to think he has any bad people working for him.

    [ 12-03-2001: Message edited by: southbronx ]


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    Upon completing the above message, I saw the one above it in which the spokesman for the MFN apologized if his actions in any way offended me personally. (you forgot my 11,000 brothers). On their behalf, I certainly appreciate and accept your apology.

    Although I admit that his previous responses to me were infuriating (you know how the Irish are), I respect the fact that he did retract his article and notify his readers of our concerns, even though he does not personally believe that what he did was wrong.

    I again want to state that my venom was not directed at the members that were then, and still now, trying to help out my brothers. But my love and my loyalty are to this job and the brothers in it first and foremost, and when I feel that they are not treated in the manner befitting them, I have no choice but to speak out in their defense... even if it means offending a brother from another job in the process. No personal ill-will was intended (ok, a little) and no hard feelings exist.

    I hope that we can let the MFN return to their daily lives, without fear of further computer based terrorism. But the rest of you posers are still fair game. ( I.E. mr. big shot-mouth-of-the-south-FEMA-barney with all the answers in one neat attempted Fire Engineering article)

    [ 12-03-2001: Message edited by: southbronx ]


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    Hey Xellic,

    How in the hell could you ever think ANYONE was on a friggin "MAJOR HIGH" over the horrors that have befallen this country and these comrades?

    "MAJOR HIGH"????? Christ almighty help us. Let me re-light your crack pipe for ya.

    THIS IS WITHOUT A DOUBT THE LOWEST OF LOWS THE FIRE SERVICE, POLICE SERVICE OR EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICE HAS EVER SEEN IN MODERN HISTORY, IF NOT ALL OF HISTORY!

    When you mentioned the words "my company", that pretty much explained it.


    PRAY FOR OUR FALLEN.

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    Thanks Sounthbronx.....Just clear up your last statement, "What about my 11,000 Brothers". In the last paragraph of my editorial it says,

    "To the NYFD members and my friend in (S) Bronx, please accept our sincerest apology if this story in ANYWAY appeared to be a "glory filled, self fulfilling proclamation." At no time was this the intention or result of the story. We know how hard it is for you to continue doing your job while wanting to recover your brothers. Every Firefighter in America is behind you 100% and we at MFN are no different"

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    This whole forum is a perfect example of why the fire service, as a whole, in the U.S. struggles to move on year after year. This is a perfect example of why we struggle to get funding from the government. This is a perfect example of why politicians continually look to cut firehouses, and firemen from budgets so that they can spend money somewhere else. Why is this? Because, even after an event as horrible as this, we can't come together and present a united front. We can't let go of our petty differences. Until we can do this, we will continue to be trampled upon.

    Did this MFN guy go to NYC w/ the right intentions? I don't know. Who F'ing cares why he and his buddies went. They helped. I can't believe he's getting ripped apart for not handling it in the most perfect way possible. He could have done a lot of worse things.

    So, the point of this is, until we stop tearing each other down, and always trying to get one-up on the FF's from Maryland, or California, or fill-in-the-blank, how are the government and the local politicians going to take our needs and our funding seriously?

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    Xellic, It is FDNY! Not NYFD. Come on if you are going to bust people on not spelling MFN(MSN) correctly, check yourself. Don't come back on me about mine because I'm no reporter or claim to be.
    PA: I don't think that this really is a "petty difference" between firefighter's. I do agree that there truly are alot of petty differences but this is not one of them. This is out of respect and I have definitely learned that from this post.

    God Bless each and everyone of you!

    Also SouthBronx, Is there a way to find out more on memorial service dates?

    Take care of each other! Stay safe and thank the guy next to you. He'll know why.

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    SHC...What are you talking about. Did you read the Editorial? It is FDNY! I have no idea why it posted NYFD on the forum...I may have been typing to fast, but thanks for keeping the sh't stirred!

    Is this what forums are all about....Just keep slamming people over and over?

    Un-F'cking believable!

    Why don't you people get back to the original postings. Individuals going around the country sucking up as much as they can, in the name of 343 Firefighters, some of whom never went to New York! They are the True villians here, REMEMBER?

    Emotions are high right now from everyone, and the guys in New York need our support more than ever. They have a Mayor, who I thought was doing a great job, up to the day they ordered the firefighters off the grounds. That was the most F'cked up thing I have ever seen! I don't care if it cost's the US taxpayers 20 trillion dollars in resources, give the guys protective Bio gear and leave them alone! Don't these Assh'le politicians know, the Firefighters can't leave! To have ordered them off "Ground Zero" was a disgrace to every Firefighter in America!

    Have they allowed anyone (FDNY) back in, or is it just Steel workers and Investigators?

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    Yes, I did read the Editorial.
    I'm not stirring anything just keeping you straight. Damn, you are ****ed. On page three at the bottom of the page you did type it wrong. Sorry if you think I'm stirring. Just making a point.

    [ 12-03-2001: Message edited by: SHCoTrk531 ]


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    Hey xelliot----you kida sound like a politican to me-trying the ole 'I may be bad but so & so is worse" Your name isnt Clinton by any chance is it?
    oh yea !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!

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