Closed Thread
Page 1 of 2 12 Last
  1. #1
    MembersZone Subscriber

    Join Date
    Nov 2000
    Location
    Mount Clemens, MI
    Posts
    113

    Question Nextel Phones/2-ways in The Fire Service

    I was wondering who has used Nextel phones/2-way radio's in the fire service? Do you use them on fire scenes? Do they cut down on the unnessasary radio traffic? What benefits do you get from them on your department? I need to know what you guys think of them and how they have worked for you.

    I have used them for my personal use now for about 6 years. I love the 2-way direct connect feature on it.

    We also have them at the fire station for when we go on calls and for the duty personel that work during the day. The benefits we have found is that we are able to be intouch with our Chief/ Asst. Chief and his officers when we need them. We have not used them yet on a fire scene but I can see the benefits of haveing them there. You can give one to all the command officers and leave all the nessasary information for the fire ground radios.

    I would like to know if your department is currently in the process of getting Nextel or would like to get them in the future.

    I am a Nextel sales agent in Southeastern Michigan and need some info on what you guys/gals think. All the information would really help me out. I am looking for information from everybody not just the people here in Michigan.

    If you live here in Michigan and would like information for your department. You can reach me via email at : firefly2420@firehousemail.com .

    I would be more than happy to come out and explain all about our product. I can even send out or drop off the information. If you are interested email me with your information and I will get right back with you.

    Thanks in advance for all your information.

    Andrew J. LaPrise
    Lyon Communications

    Lyon Township Fire Department
    New Hudson, Michigan

    [ 01-11-2002: Message edited by: FIREFLY2420 ]


  2. #2
    MembersZone Subscriber

    Join Date
    Jul 1999
    Location
    Flanders, NJ
    Posts
    13,537

    Post

    We have been using these units in our Arson Unit for about three years. We love them for routine stuff.

    DO NOT USE A NEXTEL IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION!

    1. It is not recorded and cannot be reviewed.

    2. Unless you go to the trouble of setting up talk groups, no outside people can monitor your transmissions.

    3. You are relying on someone else's technology and system in an emergency. This is a dangerous propostion. There are dead areas and they can turn off your service for non-payment (What? A municipal government not paying bills on a timely basis?)

    4. They are not 100% reliable and are probably less relaible than your current technology.

    If ytou want to get rid of unnecesary transmissions, adopt an SOP on radio use and teach the guys how to use the radios.

  3. #3
    MembersZone Subscriber

    Join Date
    Nov 2000
    Location
    Mount Clemens, MI
    Posts
    113

    Post

    George,
    Thank you for your post. Every fire department should know that a nextel should never be used for emergency air traffic. The use of a Nextel on a fire ground would be for the Officers to communicate non-emergency air traffic. I would hope that all important information would be transmitted on the primary radio system. There is a lot of information on a fire scene that does not need to be transmitted over the primary radio system. You made a lot of good points. No cellular phone system is 100% reliable. The system is not recorded like most of the air traffic on a primary system. My question is, How many fire departments use a recorder on there radio system anyway? I know that here in Michigan alot of departments switch to a secondary/fireground channel when they are on a big incident or if there is alot of air traffic from other departments. This is to free up all the congestion on the radio. When they do switch over to a secondary/fireground channel the dispatcher cannot monitor any air traffic. Most secondary/fireground channels are for that purpose only.

    I need information from the guys that use the Nextel phones around the fire scenes. Tell me what you use them for around the station. All the information I get will make me that much better at selling to the fire service and providing to your needs.

    Thanks again,

    Andrew J LaPrise
    Lyon Communications

    Lyon Township Fire Department
    New Hudson, Michigan
    Andrew J. LaPrise

  4. #4
    Senior Member

    Join Date
    Aug 2001
    Location
    Warrington Pa
    Posts
    124

    Post

    Our company has one in each truck and most of our firefighers have one. It is a good thing to use because you dont have to talk over the radio if you have a question.

  5. #5
    Forum Member
    Rescue101's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2001
    Location
    Bridgton,Me USA
    Posts
    8,162

    Post

    Nextel less than useless here.T.C.

  6. #6
    MembersZone Subscriber

    Join Date
    Nov 2000
    Location
    Mount Clemens, MI
    Posts
    113

    Post

    Rescue 101,

    Why do you say that Nextel is less than useless in your area. Do they not have coverage in your area? Is your area rural or suburban? Thanks for your post.
    Andrew J. LaPrise

  7. #7
    Member

    Join Date
    Jan 2001
    Location
    Virginia
    Posts
    93

    Post

    I have used the Nextel two-way system and I like it. We do not have it in our area. I can see the benefits of having them on the fire scene but a much more reliable and cheaper way to communicate other than your fireground frequency is the Motorola Talk-About radios. They are relatively cheap, easy to maintain (AA batteries), and you always have service. With the split channels you can group your men on a channel and IC can monitor all channels by scanning.

    I cannot elaborate on the Nextel system, but when/if they ever come to our area you can bet I will have one.
    Begin with the end in mind.

    Be safe out there!!

  8. #8
    Forum Member
    PAVolunteer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2001
    Location
    Dauphin County, PA
    Posts
    1,139

    Post

    All of our officers and trustees have them. From simple things like fixing a light in the engine bay to letting the chief know to go to the scene immediately that someone else is going to the station to get the first engine out immediately. They are great. They've made things 10,000 times easier.

    Stay Safe

  9. #9
    Junior Member
    PFD147's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2002
    Location
    PLAINFIELD,IL
    Posts
    14

    Post

    The department I am on issued nextels to the Chief,A/C,the Ambulace duty crews and the Fire duty crew. Several members on the department also have them for their jobs and for their personal use. Now that Nextel can cross-fleet we are able to give updates to the crews or just set up lunch. We use rig radios or portables for emergency traffic but if we are on our way to the station and we see smoke of fire showing we can tell the inbound chief or duty crew and they can relay over the radios to everyone else. It also comes in handy when we have non-bonified incidents so we don't have companies running hot to an accident that is really a breakdown. We like them and use them alot. Just my 2 pennies worth!

  10. #10
    Forum Member
    DaFAO's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2000
    Location
    Columbus, OH
    Posts
    188

    Post

    If I could add to the discussion...

    I have a Nextel...Kinda happy with the service. Here's my qualm.

    Nextels, specifically the two-way operation, do interfere with several public safety frequencies in the UHF, trunked, and highband area. This is proven fact. The local PD here operates on UHF, and can I just say that about once a minute someone's two-way convo bleeds over. We even do it with our own phones.

    Nextel has been, I would say, only moderately helpful in working with groups like APCO and the IAFF in resolving this issue. Their rep stated as much at the APCO Annual Meeting in Seattle this past year. I would say their response is less motivated by a genuine interest to work with the problem and more about money. It's regrettable to think that most Nextel reps have little or no knowledge on the progress of this issue.

    The phones are good, but it's important to understand their limitations. And don't fool yourself into thinking that two-way = private. They're convient, but like anything else, they can always stand improvement.

    Any thoughts, FIREFLY?

    [ 01-12-2002: Message edited by: TruroFAO ]


  11. #11
    Forum Member

    Join Date
    Jun 1999
    Location
    west Michigan, USA
    Posts
    59

    Post

    A friend of mine works for a private ambulance company in the Detroit area. I believe they use Nextel's exclusively (no radios?). From what he tells me, they are quite happy with the way the things are working. They do mostly non-emergency transports.
    Be Safe
    GOD BLESS the U.S.A. and FDNY
    Dan

  12. #12
    MembersZone Subscriber
    F52Westside's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2000
    Posts
    268

    Cool

    Our dept. is gearing up to put them in service in our dept. One for each Station (3) and one for the Boss and Training Officer. Most of our fulltime staff and some of our P.O.C.s have personal ones. I got mine when they were offering the Midwest 250 plan for $34.99. It has 1000 D.C., 250 cell with 500 nights and weekends. They come in handy.

    [ 01-12-2002: Message edited by: F52 Westside ]

    Stay Safe & Bring 'em Home!
    Eddie C.
    I.A.F.F. Local 3008

    "Doin' it for lives n' property"

    ** "The comments made here are this person's views and not that of the organizations to which I am affiliated" **

  13. #13
    Forum Member
    Weruj1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 1999
    Location
    NW Ohio
    Posts
    7,857

    Lightbulb

    We added them about 18 months ago to all the officers and it really makes the day to day operations better because you can just buzz them up and ask whatever you need. Occassiolally used for talk around when we want to talk about non air worhty things ........we like 'em
    IACOJ both divisions and PROUD OF IT !
    Pardon me sir.. .....but I believe we are all over here !
    ATTENTION ALL SHOPPERS: Will the dead horse please report to the forums.(thanks Motown)
    RAY WAS HERE 08/28/05
    LETHA' FOREVA' ! 010607
    I'm sorry, I haven't been paying much attention for the last 3 hours.....what were we discussing?
    "but I guarentee you I will FF your arse off" from>
    http://www.firehouse.com/forums/show...60#post1137060post 115

  14. #14
    Junior Member

    Join Date
    Apr 2000
    Location
    Berkeley F.D./St. Louis County, MO
    Posts
    1

    Post

    My department uses the Nextel Phones, we have one per rig, plus the Chief officers have one as well. We primarily use them for B.S. traffic that we want to keep off the radio. The only bad thing I see with them is forgetting to turn them on, therefore making them quite useless.
    Oh pretty good...

  15. #15
    Forum Member

    Join Date
    Sep 2000
    Location
    South Carolina
    Posts
    116

    Post

    Dont have coverage out here. Go about 15 miles or so down the road then we have some coverage. We mainly still have analog towers in our general vicinity. Digital coverage for the whole area is still a ways down the road.

    [ 01-12-2002: Message edited by: cmjones ]

    [ 01-12-2002: Message edited by: cmjones ]


  16. #16
    Junior Member

    Join Date
    Jan 2002
    Location
    CT
    Posts
    28

    Post

    We've had them at work for about 2 months. Even though we're a VERY large company, and deployed dozens of devices with potential for more, Nextel has been quite unresponsive as far as service, correcting service plans/features, training, etc.
    Service is spotty. When keying the direct connect feature, it can take a long time before hearing the tone that denotes that you can talk.
    That said, the calls are pretty clear.
    In the vol dept I run with, we use hiband radios that run forever. Neighboring cities have a trunked system that I think works much better as far as using a private channel, etc.

  17. #17
    MembersZone Subscriber

    Join Date
    Nov 2000
    Location
    Mount Clemens, MI
    Posts
    113

    Post

    F52 Westside,

    Has your department contacted anybody in reguards to sales. Please contact me via email. I would like to know what department you are from. I am trying to work out a deal for municipalities. Thanks again.
    Andrew J. LaPrise

  18. #18
    Forum Member
    BCmdepas3280's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2001
    Posts
    873

    Post

    I work for Nextel, the product is a great little invention, with that being said here is my sale pitch to fire dept and police dept that are in my sales area. These cell phones and they are cell phones are a great addition to your bag of tricks. they can be used for haz-mat because we sell intrinsiclly safe phone models ,they can be used when you want a secure line and they have some value when a mutial aid dept doesn't have the same radio freq has you but they have a phone. These phones do have some limitation, coverage is one of those that would have to be considered, but a good salemen wouldn't try to sell one of these if the coverage was not there, if you were insterested in the phones ask the sale rep to use the phones for a week or two. If you have the coverage then these phones are the cats *** but that just my opinion
    IACOJ Membership 2002
    {15}

    Mike IAFF

    The beatings will continue until the morale improves

  19. #19
    MembersZone Subscriber

    Join Date
    Nov 2000
    Location
    Mount Clemens, MI
    Posts
    113

    Post

    mdepas3280,

    Since you work for Nextel maybe you can help me out and give me some pointers. Being new at this and all I could use all the help I can get. Are you a salesman? E-mail me using the link on my posting. If it does not work you can e-mail me at firefly2420@firehousemail.com .
    Andrew J. LaPrise

  20. #20
    Junior Member

    Join Date
    May 2000
    Location
    CROYDON, PA 19021
    Posts
    4

    Post

    I VOLUNTEER IN BUCKS COUNTY PA, 2 YEARS AGO OUR COUNTY BEGAN THE SWITCH TO MOTOROLA DIGITAL RADIOS. EVEN THOUGH WE DO NOT USE NEXTELS FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES USE, I CAN TELL YOU THAT NEXTELS ARE MADE BY THE SAME MANUFACTURER AS OUR LATEST AND GREASTEST RADIO SYSTEM, AND THAT NEXTEL SYSTEM IS ALOT MORE RELIABLE THAN OUR COUNTY RADIO SYSTEM. I GUESS MOTOROLA PUTS MORE EFFORT INTO SOMETHING THEY WANT TO SELL TOMORROW RATHER THAN SOMETHING THEY CAN ONLY SELL TO A WHOLE COUNTY ABOUT ONCE EVERY TEN OR SO YEARS.
    "2 IN, 2 OUT, ALWAYS!!!"

  21. #21
    Senior Member

    Join Date
    Aug 2001
    Location
    Warrington Pa
    Posts
    124

    Post

    You got that right BTFD11-19

  22. #22
    Junior Member

    Join Date
    Apr 1999
    Location
    Chalfont, Pa
    Posts
    27

    Post

    We have some of the Nextels in our two ambulance and our chief and rescue and our one van. Plus, most of the members of the company have them with their work. With the new ablility to cross-talk with anyone else in our area, they are great for quick questions, or what have you. It also keeps non-emergancy traffic off of our high quality digital radios we use in my county. They have their place.

    Kyle
    Kyle
    www.chalfontfireco.com

  23. #23
    Forum Member
    DaFAO's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2000
    Location
    Columbus, OH
    Posts
    188

    Post

    FIREFLY, depas:

    Neither of you have answered the questions I posed to you.

    To depas: I again argue that the 2-way feature is NOT private. You're welcome to visit our dispatch office any time you like and I'd be happy to have you listen to several 2-way conversations that we hear over the local PD frequency. It's well proven that no electronic device is above monitoring.

    As for Haz-Mat situations, we should treat the Nextel as any other radio. Believe it or not, even the mighty Nextel OPERATES ON A FREQUENCY- any of which could aggrivate the situation.

    And any thoughts on why your company wont work with APCO and the government on keeping Nextels off public safety frequencies? HRM.

  24. #24
    Junior Member

    Join Date
    Jan 2002
    Location
    TENNESSEE
    Posts
    29

    Post

    I don't know about you guys. But we use a 800 mhz trunked system by Motorolla and it is great. (Compared to our old VHF repeater that is now out of service.) I saw a couple of posts that do not like the 800's. They are doig great here. The only time we ever have any problems is if we go into the subbasement of the hospital, then we have a problem getting out. But it was the same and even worse with the old VHF system. Range wise.... We have been traveling out of town and picked up our engines over 100 miles +. Not too bad for a moutainous region....Don't you think?
    Nextels on the other hand....We don't use them, I personally think they are for construction workers and traveling jobs. Not really a good idea for the fire service...Remember this is just my opinion, everyone has one. Have a good people.
    IAFF Local 2270

  25. #25
    MembersZone Subscriber

    Join Date
    Nov 2000
    Location
    Mount Clemens, MI
    Posts
    113

    Post

    TruroFAO,

    I'm sorry I wish I had an answer for you. This is all new for me. I have used Nextels for some time now and I have never heard of that problem of bleedover. I know that if you put a Nextel phone next to a speaker of any kind it interfears with it, but I have never heard any bleedover of my conversation or anybody elses. I will ask around and see if I can come up with anything. Thanks for your post.

Closed Thread
Page 1 of 2 12 Last

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts

Log in

Click here to log in or register