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    What is FDNY's policy on transfering? I am interested because of the current situation w/ the probie who was AQUITTED yet his brother firefighters refuse to work w/ him. This man was afforded his Constitutional rights and was aquitted (in other words he was NOT proved guilty aka..INNOCENT)I don't justify his actions nor will I question his actions because I was not there, but I am curious if those that are transferring are being given special treatment. And if they are following the regular SOP's for transfering why does it have to turn into a racial thing. If they didnt want to work w/ him becuase of the way he ties his shoes would they make a big deal out of it?

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    Transfers in the FDNY depend on several factors: Normally when a transfer request is submitted, it is done so with the current Company Commanders OK, plus that of the Battalion Commander. Preceeding the application, most applicants are first reviewed by the Company Commander of the company the applicant wishes to transfer to, based on their Ok or approval, the process begins. Then it's a matter of an opening in the future company, and the amount of points the applicant has, as to when he goes. Points are logged for time in the job, how busy your unit is, amount of sick leave accumulated. Lastly an applicant can be bumped by another with more points. Most Company Commanders have what is unofficially known as a waiting list...using it when their man-power requires another member(s).
    Transfers can occur almost immediately, and usually with disciplinary action(fines) should a member become involved in a sexual harrassment type situation. In this case, the applicant is guaranteed a transfer, but not necessarily to where they want to go.
    Transfers due to racial or other personality conflicts do occur, and usually before the case blows out of porportion, the applicant again may or may not get to go where they want.....but their sure to move.
    Transfers can also occur for emergency reasons, ex: a Firefighters family member may require the firefighter to be close at hand for an unsuspecting event, therefor they may be transfered upon request to a Company nearer their residence....providing the member is not a problem child. Hope this helps.....FDNYRR
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    OJ Simpson was aquitted, would you want to work with him?

    Sometimes politics over-ride the law and what is right. I'm not saying this man is guilty, to be honest I know very little about the whole situation, but I respect the brotherhoods right not to accept this kind of baggage..

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    This is similar to the firefighters in Metro-Dade not wanting to work with the 3 "alleged firefighters" who refused to ride the truck because of the "oppressive" American Flag, yet when they refused to work with them all hell broke loose.


    There is a difference here...the probie in question did not scream "discrimination!" and backpedal when pressed for reasons. He was tried and acquitted in a court of law by a jury of his peers in the Amidou Diallo case. He was on the FD list and took the opportunity. I hope that he has a long and safe career with the FDNY.

    Not to stir up a hornet's nest, but I wonder if the two firefighters requesting transfers would be doing it if the the probie in question was of African-American descent?
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    I don't think any of the above posts were made by anyone with even a remote idea of the issues. And, I don't think it belongs here.

    IMO/EOM

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    I guess this answer is basically for the Lt in E229. A question was asked and I-specifically answered it correctly and in an unbiasied nature. I hope your reference to "the posts above" does not include my answer, or if indeed it does......I think you should ask why your here, as oppossed to the postings?
    I tried to read between the lines, but alas.....there is nothing to read. You may not agree with some posters...who does....but to say a
    "all" are irrelevant, Geeze Lou a forum is like a giant Firehouse kitchen, where anything and everything goes.
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    DUDE...he's FDNY, how dare you talk about the goings on in his department....I'm surprised he's even a member of this forum, what with all these second class paid and (god forbid) volunteer firefighters on this thing...Thanks for gracing us with your presence Leu, maybe you can teach us all how to fight fires next...

    Boy, I'm gonna get my *** torn out for that one...but It's all over the news, why can't we talk about it??? What makes an FDNY guy better than anyone else? I'm not an FDNY hater, my DAD is FDNY, but I hate the FDNY attitude...sorry you had to get in the way Leu...

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    Let's see if I can put something between the lines:

    Most, if not all the "FACTS" people are using to form an opinion are based on media accounts of what was/is going on. From what I've seen the media print has distorted this thing way beyond the facts.

    My comment only stated, "I don't think any of the above posts were made by anyone with even a remote idea of the issues". I was not challenging their opinions or FDNYRR's explanation of the transfer policy, (which is pretty accurate). I only tried to state, the issues, if gleened from the press, are not complete or accurate.

    As for not thinking it belongs here, some other threads have seen members express their opinion on matters, only to have those opinions sent to that posters superiors. I see this issue being ripe for a member of the boards to make a statement or opinion that could come back to haunt them.

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    CIFD......I am retired FDNY, and I respect "always" the rank if not necessarily the man or their opinions. I do not respect anyone generally berating an entire Dept due to the remarks of an individual. I am a 28 yr vet with FDNY-Rescues and Squads, I think the term "dude" does not benefit my presence.........As far as Lt from E 229, NOW I can read between the lines, and do-so understand where your coming from. Very simply a mis-understanding. Thus the reason you check your posts before hitting add reply. I agree the Media has always sucked.....that's why my post was made factually not emotionally!
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    CIFD....

    I need some help from you. After reading your poignant reprimand of the Brooklyn LT and being struck by the power of your wisdom, I have had a moment of clarity. Its clear to me now that my brothers are truly evil and that I must immediately begin a crusade to rid Gotham of this scourge.

    What better place to start than with the man in the mirror?

    I thought the best way to ensure that my self-cleansing efforts would be successful would be to get some advice from a guy who obviously has the right attitude towards the job, the willingness to point out the shortcomings of others (no matter how painful) and the guts to stand up to the FDNY monster, with only his wits to protect him.

    Please help me take the first, difficult steps towards fire department success and the universal acceptance you have obviously attained by answering a few simple questions.

    1. What exactly is the FDNY attitude? After all, its going to be hard to exorcise this demon if I don't yet know what he looks like.

    2. What is the CIFD attitude? The first thing I'm going to need after dumping all these heinous qualities is a fresh start. Without the blueprint for the perfect FD attitude, I could easily regress into the same old act.

    3. Do you really think everyone hates us? I know this sounds childish but... I just feel suddenly awkward. They seemed so nice when they all came here to visit. Maybe they just felt sorry for us. I hope our attitude wasn't what made them leave... (I thought it might have been the Ziti). Call a couple of cool firemen and ask them if they like us or not, (don't tell them I told you to ask) and then call me back and tell me what they said.

    I guess thats it for now. Reply back soon. I'm desperate. I guess when you realize that you had the key to life all wrong, you just want to fix yourself as soon as possible.

    Call me soon... don't forget.

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    Southbronx, LMAO! You'se guys are the best, and that sense of humor proves it!

    Keep up the good work, and good luck with your "makeover!"

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    Hey South Bronx.........thanks for the support. I don't know why but a lot of non-NY'rs are under the impression "we" FDNY condesend to them. Not so......brothers and sisters, I don't know squat about Grain Elevators, nor 10,000 Acre Wildfires, so I and may I say "we" do not know all. Most of FDNY respect others in the trade, except for those few "Salty Types" with under five years on the job, and there are plenty of LODD to remind us........Nationwide!!!!!!!!!!! FDNYRR
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    FDNY Guys,
    Keep up the good work guys. I admire your attitude. Bravery, unselfish sacrifices, your ability to overcome, and your humor(southbronx). If this attitude needs adjustment, what is the proper attitude to have?

    God Bless,
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    CIFD,

    I think you need to take a hard look at yourself after those comments. You say your dad is in FDNY? Well, I KNOW that the brothers down there look out for each other's families. Growing up I am sure you must have socialized with some of the very guys you say have an "attitude." I am curious to know why you have so much disgust for such a fine bunch of people. Surely, you must have visited a FDNY firehouse in your distinguished career. Anyone that has knows that what you say is a falsehood. I am a VOLLIE and have never been talked down to by any FDNY member. People like E229LT, SouthBronx, E40L35, 51TruckK, and FDNYRR can teach us all something. It makes me wonder if you tried to get on the job down there and were not able to. That might explain the sour grapes. Stay safe and stop bumping your head like that.
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    I have followed the wrong path, I deeply admire the FDNY and its members, most of all, those here on this forum. But I am not going to back track to follow the sign marked "CIFD's path". I am going to stick with the one I am on now. I'll forever admire and covet thier position in FDNY! I only wish I could be so seasoned and great! (That is not derrogatory)
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    WHOOOOAAAAAA!!!!

    HOLD ON...Listen, I could go and edit my comments above, but I will not do that. Let me try to explain myself. I know a lot of FDNY firemen, and I know most of them through my fire department. They have all explained to me that when they went through their probie school, the instructors continually bash the local volunteers, even though a good percentage of the class is more than likely members of a volunteer department as well. Once you get in, you protect the truth of your roots in the fire service like they are your children, because if your company finds out you are a volley, you will be verbally beaten! Being a volunteer is seen as a union scab, as some of you can relate to. When my department went into NYC to assist, we were placed in a Queens firehouse, where my guys were then given a lesson on 'how to fight fires' by the boss that was standing by, who I guess figured that my guys had no clue what they were doing. We didn't take offense to that, and instead attended every wake, memorial service and funeral we could go to to pay our respects, AND give the deceased the funeral he should have. For 2 months, my tower ladder was out of service once a week to be the flag arch for a fireman's funeral. But did all this change most FDNYers opinions about local volunteers? I hope so, but more than likely not. I don't want to be a dick, but I guess its just pent up anger over the lack of respect for the volunteer fire departments in the NYC area. I am a member of an aggresive interior attacking fire department, and I'd like to think like we have a little knowledge about fighting fire. I guess all I'm saying is that...I do consider an FDNY fireman a brother. Unfortunately, I don't think most of them return the affection. To them, I'm just another guy taking another job away from someone.

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    CIFD: Why you would want to continue this thread is beyond me?
    Having said that, when I went to Jump School (Paratroopers) we had a SJ=Smoke Jumper and a French Foreign Legion Paratrooper in the class. Both were picked out and harassed because they wore Paratroop Tatoos. This is basic training harrassment, and usually ceases when the course is complete. Does the parallel ring through to your friends?
    Additionally, I for one will state publically, and challange anyone who knows me to show where I have ever inferred that Vollys or Smaller Departments are any less important, and mind you I speak for most FDNY guys and gals. Your "attitude" I'm sure is not the norm of your Dept...neither is what you've experienced from some FDNY members...their Dept's attitude.
    As far as a briefing.....be happy you got that, it was truly a bad day here in NYC. On the other hand, with hose connections being different, hydrant hook-ups being different, structures being different......your showing your lack of experience when you say the briefer regarded your Dept as having never fought a fire. I may have a few years experience on you, but I hope to hell, when and if I go out-of-town, someone will be good enough to give me a "Heads-Up!"
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    CIFD....

    Thank God its you! I knew you wouldn't let me down! Thank you immensely for the further insight.

    I know what you mean about your vollie pals being oppressed at The Rock. I remember when I was there and there was a guy in my squad who was a vollie out on the island. He was nice enough to point out to us when the instructor was wrong and clear up topics that the instructor had no idea about. He even showed us easier ways to accomplish tasks that the FDNY dinosaurs had no idea about!

    And do you know how they repaid him for his extraordinary service and assistance? They told him to learn it "the FDNY way" and that he could do whatever he wanted in vollie land! (I think you called that "bashing") I didn't know it then, but this was a blatant "FDNY" attitude!

    Think thats bad? There is this guy in my firehouse that is a vollie upstate. Every once in a while, he tries to educate us with some exciting war stories from his hometown. And THOSE FDNY DICKS BREAK HIS BALLS! They treat him just like some guy that is fat, or has a big nose or a junky car or can't cook! Breaking balls is certainly acceptable in some instances, but definately not when a vollie is just trying to pass on witty anecdotes and lessons learned from another department.

    Now that you mention it... it seems that every time we relocate from the Bronx to Manhattan, some guy with the "FDNY" attitude tries to teach us how to fight fire! I guess he thinks because we are from The Bronx, we don't know what we are doing. As if we need information from HIM about HIS neighborhood! Much like your department, we are an aggressive, interior firefighting outfit and do not deserve this type of disrespect. Where do they get their balls?

    You have definately changed my life! Keep the information coming! If I really apply myself, I can shed this yoke sooner than you think!

    Is your wisdom limited to FD attitudes? You see... I have this drinking issue... and then there's that rash....

    PS- (did you talk to any of the guys? You didn't call me back! I can't wait to hear if we really are cool or if this attitude is screwing us up)

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    hey cifd88 how large is the bay door in your dept., is it big enough for you to get your BIG head through. you have to have a big head to fit that rather large mouth (key board), plus the tremendous shoulders to carry that really large chip you are carrying around with you. was it 2 points or 3 that you failed our test by, you couldn't have been smart enough to fail by 1. now for the reason for the verbal attach. you state that guys on the fdny hate vollys (paraphrasing to save room), i don't see it. actually they hate guys in rescue companys more, that i see all the time (lol)but who cares, but i'm changing the topic I'm sorry. fdny guys don't hate vollys, they hate KNOW IT ALL BONE HEAD vollys. I actually like a lot of vollys. **** i'm a volly, have been for 16 years, but i can honestly say i have seen a lot of stupid stuff come out of the vollys along with a lot of good, but i don't have the time or energy to get into it on these forums. take a deep breath and take a good long look before you start bashing the fdny on your, what must be, narrow experience.

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    Helloooooo Bobby, thought that was you all along! Good to see "The Brooklyn Rescue" is recovering LOL! Pass it on, God Bless to all!

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    Oh where do I start......CIFD88,Here on the Island of Manhattan we think if your not assigned here your just camping out....
    Now that is an FDNY attitude for you.
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