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    Brother and Sister Firefighters,

    I AM OUTRAGED !

    On October 13, 2001 Houston Fire Department Captain Jay Jahnke (Station 2) was killed IN THE LINE OF DUTY. There were some hints and allegations at the time that Houston's policy of "three on a truck" had contributed to his death. At his funeral, Mrs. Jahnke put it to Mayor Lee Brown and asked "point blank" how many deaths would it take to put the fourth man onboard. Mrs. Jahnke has a lot of class and a lot of intestinal fortitude.

    Today (January 25, 2002) while traveling to work, I heard a news story reporting that the Houston Medical Examiner still has NOT issued a death certificate for Captain Jahnke's death and this action is holding up some benefits that Mrs. Jahnke is entitled to receive. (Kudos to the union and its pension fund, they are helping out.)

    Here's my outrage, IS THIS THE PRICE THE JAHNKE FAMILY IS PAYING FOR MRS. JAHNKE'S COMMENTS AT CAPTAIN JAHNKE'S FUNERAL ?

    Jay Jahnke died serving the City of Houston. Is this a way to honor his memory ? Mrs. Jahnke expressed her opinion on fire truck staffing. Is this any way to help her through her sorrow ?

    If there are any Brothers or Sisters from the Houston Fire Department on this forum, please let us know if there is anything we can do to help. We're all part of the same family, and the Jahnke's deserve SO MUCH BETTER.

    NEVER FORGET OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS WHO FALL IN THE LINE OF DUTY.

    Regards to all,

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    Here's a link to the Firehouse.com story regarding the lack of manpower in Houston.

    http://www.firehouse.com/lodd/2002/houston.html

    It is absolutely an outrage that Houston FF's have to deal w/ this. Houston's ISO rating even got better in the same month that this happened. Figure that one out.

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    I have no idea how to react to the7tuwer without physical violence...
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    THE ONLY WAY FOR THINGS TO CHANGE IS FOR THE MAYOR TO LEAVE AND TO GET A CHIEF WITH SOME N*TS TO CHANGE HOUSTONS WAY. THE FACT THAT THE DEATH CERT. IS BEING HELD UP IS TOTAL BS. THE MAYOR AND HIS FRIENDS ARE MAD BECAUSE THE WIFE SAID AT THE FUNERAL ABOUT THE 4 MAN ISSUE. I WAS THERE AND IT WAS A VERY MOVING MOMENT WHEN SHE GOT UP AND SAID WHAT SHE DID.
    I BELIEVE IF YOU WANT TO HELP THE FAMILY YOU CAN GO TO WWW.LOCAL341.ORG TO FIND OUT WHERE TO HELP.
    AND YES 4 WOULD HAVE HELPED ON A PUMPER AND LADDER. .
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    That makes 3 in 2 years all on 3 person crews
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    xxxThat makes 3 in 2 years all on 3 person crew

    If you believe the lies told by HFD union that is true. NIOSH, NFPA, HFD call reports, and even press reports all name the crew by name 4 on the rig at McDonalds 90 total onscene. Jay's fire 56 onscene before any problems were reported in the first 13 minutes over 150 total in 30 minutes. How many FD's run that man guys? Maybe 15 in the entire US.

    The above are not staffing problems! There is no need to lie about the facts to play politics with the death of three firefighters. Every stinking fire engine in the city of Houston runs FOUR. FOUR is minimum staffing even though the union cotract says 4 is the maximum nd 3 is the minimum. That is just the way it is. No one can dispute those facts. THe UNION suported the wrong guy so the old Mayor is there for 2 more years, tisk tisk.

    The average firefighter in HFD makes 8 to 10K more than he did last year. The whole staffing issue was about overtime. The guys wanted more overtime not new hires and held out it is simple as that. GREED!

    Yeah get a new chief, new mayor and they will still have 4 per rig. The FD is fully accredited as a Class 1 and a fully accredited with an in house through the ranks Chief. No other city is even close to that size has all three. NONE!

    HFD is a great FD, where else can a union man fall a sleep last week driving a fire truck o the way to an emergency and total it and not get fired???

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    Looks like the7tower aka fcvfd has changed his login name again, or could it be his twin. Post sounds exactly like Larry huh.

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    3 man engines is a staffing problem - this has been proved in many parts of the world and 4 or sometimes 5 are the minimum number of firefighters for an engine to ensure a safe working enviroment.

    However, Larry makes a point, although rather bluntly! The report I read states -

    'They exited the apartment and headed down the hall, but a nasty thing happened when they opened the stairwell door, sources say. The stairwell acted like a ferocious maw, sucking heat and smoke down from the burning apartment. For Jahnke and Green the effect was overwhelming. The smoke grew thick as a blindfold; a torrent of hot air whirred past. The captains reportedly tried to beat a retreat by following their hose out of the apartment and down the hallway, a task made brutally complicated by the coiled, irregular pathway of their lifeline.

    The violent shift in the air current created high confusion by sucking the heat away from the fire. To Jahnke it seemed as if they were headed toward the fire, not away from it, as they followed the path of the hose, Hauck says'.

    This is a tactical problem - it is well established that stairshafts will most likely 'suck' the fire once a pathway is created in high-rise fires. The result, on opening a doorway to the stairs, is an escalation of the fire; possibly even a flashover; and unexpected transportation of gases and heat.

    I have seen and heard of this effect in several such fires and this is not the first time it has taken a brother. I have experienced this effect under regular staffing of four man engines - it was not the staffing that caused the problem.

    http://www.firetactics.com/HIGH-RISE.htm

    Don't get me wrong - HOUSTON ARE UNDER-STAFFED according to most other cities research and staffing plan. It most certainly MAY have been a factor in this LODD.....but I can see Larry's point.........I think!

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    fcvfd: Where in the world are you getting your information from? Did you pull your information out of Connealy or Browns rear end?

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    You know I'm not sure where I got my info on the 3 person staffing. Have been on several sites that I thought were related to HFD and were giving acurate info. While I personally knew none of these ff's though Kim Smith and I did share a common thread. As I said I had never met her but we were both members of a group of ff's that take part in the Firefighters Combat Challenge. Because of that her loss was closer to me than it might have been. No one wants a LODD, it is such a waste. Was staffing part of the problem, I don't know.
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    NIOSH says:
    SUMMARY

    On February 14, 2000, a 44-year-old male and a 30-year-old female, both career fire fighters, died in a restaurant fire. At 0430 hours, Central Dispatch received a call from a civilian who reported that fire was emitting through the roof of the restaurant. Medic 73 was first to arrive on the scene, followed by Engine 76 (Captain, Fire Apparatus Operator (FAO), and two fire fighters (Victim #1 and Victim #2). Upon arrival, dispatch was notified by the two companies that there was visible fire emitting through the roof. The Captain on Engine 76 radioed dispatch reporting that he and his crew were going to complete a "fast attack" (enter the structure with a 1-inch hoseline and knock down the fire with the water from their engine).

    HMmm, 2 on a medic unit and 4 on an enginee. That is 6. Three goes into 6 twice.....

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    fcvfd,

    I sincerely hope the reason you are slamming your fellow firefighters in Houston (assuming you are a firefighther) and speaking so maliciously is because you are misinformed.

    ///"How man FD's run than man guys? (I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you meant "many") Maybe 15 in the entire U.S."

    I'll give you an example of the Houson area, Sugar Land, Woodlands, Village... Just to name a few, all VERY near Houston. All four man engines.

    Even if you were correct, HFD is the third largest department in the country and has the nations busiest port, loaded with haz-mat potential and daily incidents. Any reason why they don't deserve the MINIMUM standards??????

    ////"Every stinking fire engine in the city of Houston runs FOUR. FOUR is minimum staffing...///

    Where did that information come from?????? That may be what it looks like from fcvfd (wherever that is), but in Houston three is a reality!
    Yes, even first in on a high-rise fire in your own territory with three is a reality!

    PAUL GRIMWOOD: You definitely approach the situation with a little more decency and respect, and MUCH more logic (thank you for that), but look at it this way. Would you rather attack a high-rise appartment fire six floors up, people trapped, with only one other firefighter?

    Even if your guess were true about what happened, would you rather have two guys with you to pull you out, or one. How many do you want searching for you while you run out of air and call for help???????

    fcvfd,
    ////NIOSH Summary///////

    You are right on track!! Keep reading, and you'll see that many engines and ladders had only 3. Note NIOSH recommendations that HFD raise their staffing levels to a MINIMUM of four per apparatus, higher in high risk areas!

    How would you like to be warned by NIOSH specifically to increase to FOUR-man staffing, and then lose one of your prominent Captains on a high-rise apartment fire, after reducing staffing even further????

    Local 341 backed the candidate with the best interests of the firefighters. It's not often a Local with back a Republican to the end.

    Do you want to know when Connealy and Brown raised staffing? Two weeks before the election, and HOURS after Jay's widow pleaded and told this story:
    Dawn: "What is it going to take to get them to improve staffing?"

    Jay: "Heck, I guess somebody's going to have to die."

    Leroy, Connealy, AND Larry: You should be ashamed of yourselves!!!

    Kim Smith, Lewis Mayo, Jay Jahnke

    Your sacrifice will never be forgotten!!!

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    First In - All your brothers/sister(s) are in our prayers and memories....and never forgotton.

    'Would you rather attack a high-rise appartment fire six floors up, people trapped, with only one other firefighter?'..........well

    In a similar situation in central London, at that stage of the fire, we would have had a similar number of firefighters on the initial alarm - around 22 if we were lucky - but less engines. In a high-rise situation such as this you need twice that many! However, in New York you would probably get around another 5 or 6 and in Tokyo you would get 57 firefighters!

    I would want a minimum of four firefighters working the fire apartment with another two in immediate back-up.......I'd be lucky! I would want the remainder deployed in water supply; incident command; staging and search & rescue on upper floors. I would be considering further alarm calls depending on circumstances and location (floor) etc. In the USA you would definitely call them on.

    In USA you guys have less duration in your SCBA than us (30 mins UK working) and we can stay on the fire for a bit longer - this means you need still MORE firefighters on-scene!

    Bro.......I HATE second guessing and commenting on such incidents but I have seen this phenomena before and if we can use a situation to remind others and bring the hazard to the attention of those who have not seen it, then maybe.......just maybe we can be ready for it next time.

    God bless those who died and their families, colleagues and friends.

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    It is a shame anyone died but their is plenty of blame to go around and staffing certainly wouldn't be part of that.

    ....Where did that information come from?????? but in Houston three is a reality!

    i simply called the staffing office at admin today, there is four on all rigs. And has been everyday since October. Where do you get your info?

    ...I sincerely hope the reason you are slamming

    Simply keeping the record straight.

    ... Keep reading, and you'll see that many engines and ladders had only 3.

    MANY?

    Only 20% had 3 per rig. overall the average was 4.6. If four per rig was essential the department would not have llowed a contract stating 3 was the minimum would they? The offer has ofered several times to staff 4. The union turned it down. Its public record. The fact they won't negociate fairly is why PD got a 21% raise a FD got 6% LOL. Bad union management.

    HOW ABOUT 66% of 6 engines and trucks on first alarm, 62% on 2nd 6 or 8, 86% on 2nd, 6 of 7 rigs on 3rd 86% AN AVERAGE OF 4.6 PER ENGINE AND TRUCK 81% with 4. 21 major rigs with 95 guys. 95 ON A mcdonalds burning! Staffing problem huh?

    ...Note NIOSH recommendations that HFD raise their staffing levels to a MINIMUM of four per apparatus.

    Yeah, pretty hard to do that when it is already 4, Of course you left out the fact the union contract say minimum of 3 but the mayor insists on 4.

    ....How would you like to be warned by NIOSH specifically to increase to FOUR-man staffing, and then lose one of your prominent Captains on a high-rise apartment fire, after reducing staffing even further????

    Old chiefs problem,(ex union boss lik that made any difference) the new chief had a plan in place in just three months.

    Staffing had nothing to do with the death. 56 guys on scene and command could only get two to the fire floor. 95 onscene on the the event.

    ....Do you want to know when Connealy and Brown raised staffing? Two weeks before the election, and HOURS after Jay's widow pleaded and told this story:

    SO? First of all, cheifs don't raise staffing. Mayors and council do. THE STAFFING IS 4 PER RIG A 25% INCREASE IN STAFFING IN ONE YEAR. WHAT OTHER FIRE DEPARTMENT OF ANY SIZE DID THAT IN 2001? Did every other FD with 3 or less who had an LODD add 25%?

    ...Dawn: "What is it going to take to get them to improve staffing?"

    Well obviously the old chief wasn't impressed with the death of two firefighters and the new chief and mayor were impressed with one, plus you left out the part about Sept 11 (country at war) that started the whole plan in the first place. Typical union slant. We didn't do anything wrong it had to be the Mayor. It was the Mayor's fault the captain didn't take the high rise 60 minute air packs up and instead took the 30's, huh? What other FD has four 30's and 4 - 60 minute air packs on a rig inthe highrise compartment on thier rig? How easy could it be. Their station had their choice of 200 bottles and one died with an illegal pack on that was clearly labeled out of service. Department memos sent to the captains make i clear who was supposed to switch them out, not he mayors fault is it?. It was the mayor's fault the captain sent his crew down stairs huh? It was the mayors fault the back up crews didn't want to go to the fire floor as directed, huh? It was the mayors fault no water from the attack line ever hit the fire from the initial attack line huh? that a towerladder stream, exterior attack was made almost an hour into the fire? If the mayor had provided 1000 guys on first alarm are we supposed to believe more would have made the fire floor? When only 2 or 56 made it in the first place?

    ...Your sacrifice will never be forgotten!!!

    Sure it has! No accountability system to this day. Lots of anything goes on the fire ground. Doors not opened for hours. Imagers not making it into the building. Lots of stupid rules on who can go in and who cannot go into a building, that drivers must stay with their rigs, etc. Crews not knowing McDonalds is a Truss building with AC on the roof. Crews thinking fully locked up buildings are somehow occupied at the early morning hours and risk their life with fire in the truss space above their heads. Captains coming and going as they please leaving their crews. 800 portable radios in the FD and you can't figure out how to get one in the hands of the attak crew. Captains not keeping track of their crews. Guys not wearing full gear. etc.

    Lots of work and no amount of staffing will fix operational issues.

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    Hey George,

    I think the best way to deal with people like the7tuwer is to just ignore them... Isn't there some way to block out posts from mutts like that, (or is it just that they're blocked out from your personal viewing and everybody else still has to see their nonsense.)

    Either way, I'll sure plug that ***** into the ol'"blockout" feature... He sure doesn't have anything to say I'd care to read...

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    [quote]Originally posted by the7tuwer:
    Yea, it was just horrible. Due to staffg shortages only 56 guys were on scene when he died. If 5000 would have been on scene he'd still be dead. Maybe with 10,000 per company he wouldn't be dead.


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    fcvfd, you can call down to the staffing office all you want, and they will tell you that there are 4 per rig everytime. Try calling down to a house that has a District Chief there and ask him. Houston is barely meeting the 4 on a rig, in fact there are documented cases where there were only 2 on a rig in some parts of the city. Now, tell me that is meeting the minimum staffing. The city has not been able to meet 4 on every rig since the Mayor was re-elected. I will agree with you that the Union has not dealt with the situation the way it should have been dealt with, however everytime they asked for more personel, they were turned down. The mayor even canceled 2 academy classes, stating that the funds were not there to do it, and then turned right around and added 2 academy classes for the police department. What this all boils down to, is Houston is an aging department, and the city has done nothing to ensure adequate staffing levels for the future. Out of 3000 some odd, fire fighters, over half will be retiring with in the next year or so. What's that going to do to staffing levels then? Not to mention that they will be loosing alot of experienced fire fighters and officers.

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    Larry...keep trying to hide..the smell of bull**** will give you away every time

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    Seems the7tower was banned and now he is using fcvfd. Seems he has more alias' than the FBI's 10 most wanted.

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    ......you can call down to the staffing office all you want, and they will tell you that there are 4 per rig everytime.

    I SEE THE MEN AND WOMN ARE ALL LIARSIS THAT WHAT OU MEAN? WHY WOUL THEY LIE. ALL THESE STAFFING REPORT ARE FALSE, SO I SHOULD TURN TES OVER TO HOLLINGSWORTH FOR PROSECUTION? NOPE THES PEOPLE AT THE STAFFING OFFICE BRING IN OVERTIME TO FILL ANY VACANCY, THEY HOLD PEOPLE BY SOP AS WELL. SO YOU CAN BE SURE ALL 800 ARE THERE ON DUTY.

    ...Try calling down to a house that has a District Chief there and ask him.

    YEAH HE WILL TELL YOU UNION GUYS DID NOT SHOW UP AGAIN OR CALL IN SO HA CALLED IN AND REQUESTED SO MANY GUYS ON OVERTIME AND IS SUPPOSED TO HOLD GUYS OVER TIL REPLAEMENTS ARRIVE, RIGHT? OW IF SOMEONE IS CHEATING, BEING PAID OFF LET ME KNOW THERE NAME, WILL SWEEP IN ON THEM LIKE DISPATCH AND ROOT OUT THE EVIL

    ...Houston is barely meeting the 4 on a rig,

    S YOU WERE LYING IN YOUR LAST POSTS?

    ....in fact there are documented cases where there were only 2 on a rig in some parts of the city.

    YEAH A HANDFUL. LETME SEE SAYS HERE CHIEF DIDN'T HOLD GUYS OVER AND LET THEM GO HOME WITHOUT REPLACEMENT. drIVER OF LADDER FALLS ASLEEP TOTALS TRUCK ON CODE THRE ALL, ONLY TWO GUYS LEFT TO STAFF SPARE TIL REPLACEMENTS ARRIVE. TWO MEDICS FIST FIGHT TOGETHER ON HIGHWAY ENGINE CREW IS SPLIT TO KEEP AMBULANCE IN SERVICE WHILE GUYS ARE HAULED OFF. MAYBE YOU ALL NEED HOUSTON RESDENNCY REQUIREMENTS SO YOU ALL CAN BE AVAILABLE SOONER?

    ...Now, tell me that is meeting the minimum staffing. The city has not been able to meet 4 on every rig since the Mayor was re-elected.

    A PLUS 5 SIUATION EXISITED EVEY DAY SINCE OCTOBER, IN OTHER WORDS MORE THAN HAVE BEEN PAID OUT EVERY DAY.

    ....I will agree with you that the Union has not dealt with the situation the way it should have been dealt with, however everytime they asked for more personel, they were turned down.

    NOT TRUE, HE OFFERED FULL STAFFING AND STRIGHT TIME, YOU TURNED IT DOWN EVERY TIME.

    ....The mayor even canceled 2 academy classes,

    AND ADDED FOUR,

    ...Houston is an aging department, and the city has done nothing to ensure adequate staffing levels for the future.

    NOTHING? NO PLAN IS IN PLACE TO ADD 700 GUYS? NO OE BEYOND THE MINIMUM WAS HIRED THIS YEAR? coMPARE THIS YEAR TO TYRA'S LAST. aRE YOU SURE YOU ARE TELLING THE TRUTH?

    ....Out of 3000 some odd, fire fighters, over half will be retiring with in the next year or so.

    TAT IS A COMPLETE LIE. YOU LOSE 146 PER YEAR. SO I YOU WANT TO STAND BWEHIND THOSE NUMBER I'LL BE SURE TO BRING THEM UP IN sEPTEMBER, THAT IS THE DROP DEAD DATE TO PULL OUT OF THE DROP. SO THAT WOULD BE THE BEST THING THAT COULD HAPPEN TO THE CITY, 1500 LATERAL TRANSFERS, AN CUT THE BUDGET BY 40 TO 50% AT THE SAME TIME AND STILL HAVE 4 PER RIG.......

    ...What's that going to do to staffing levels then? Not to mention that they will be loosing alot of experienced fire fighters and officers. HIRING 700 THIS YEAR WAS NO BIG DEAL PAYING OUT 35 MILLION IN OVERTIME IS NO BIG DEAL, WHY DO YOU THINK ANYONE IS SWEATNG IT?

    I NOTE YOU AREN'T TALKING ABOUT THE STAFFING LIES ABOUT THE FIRE lodd SITES ANYMORE, SORRY TOO MANY FACTS FOR YOU?

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    HOUSTON HAS ALSO ADDED 1 PLUS AMBULANCES AND 10 PLUS SQUADS IN THE LAST YEAR AND HAVE NOT HIRED THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE NEEDED TO STAFF THOSE. AND THE DC'S DO A LOT OF THE STAFFING FOR THEIR DISTRICTS. THE STAFFING OFFICE WILL TELL THE PUBLIC WHAT THE MAYOR AND HIS *SS YOU TO HEAR.

    BUT THIS TOPIC WAS STARTED DUE TO THE FACT THAT A DEATH CERTIFICATE STILL HAS NOT BEEN PRODUCED FOR A LODD. AND THE FAMILY IS NOT GETTING THE MONEY OR BENIFITS THAT SHOULD BE GIVEN TO THEM.

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    No, you have it wrong....This is LARRYS forum...To chime in and give his expertise from East coast to West. He dosent care one iota about a widow or children without a father. You see, he has 10 firefighters on HIS engine co. ..HE dosent have anything better to do then to call another state and inquire about staffing. HE thinks ALL firefighters are numb-skulls who are just looking to get killed. HE has been there and done that. So take that Houston,New York,Chicago,Las Vegas,Detroit,San Fransisco,Gary or any other "backward" fire department that dosent do it LARRYS WAY.

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    THE LAST YEAR AND HAVE NOT HIRED THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE NEEDED TO STAFF THOSE.

    What, they are running with crews on 1 or zero? They only need 1 or 2. What are you saying?

    ...STAFFING OFFICE WILL TELL THE PUBLIC WHAT THE MAYOR AND HIS *SS YOU TO HEAR.

    Really, the union guys at staffing are political cronies, is that what you mean? How do they stick their heads up the mayor's axe? You know if you call several of your guys liars it seems to indicate they all are.

    Seems to me with a strong union one they would have hawked the death certifiate and not be in the 3rd year without a contract.

    Its only costing each guy $4500 to 6000 not having one year after year. Oh well many of you work for 8 to 10 bucks an hour as vollies. Does not make sense to me when you are walking away from $30 an hour with benefits,pension, life insurance and be on a 4 man crew to work for $8 to $10 no bene's, no penssion, 1, 2 or 3 guys on a rig and often no hydrants. SOUNDS PRETTY TWO FACED FOR UNION GUYS TOO.

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    To all,

    I'm the guy who originally started this topic. It was begun to express my feelings over Mrs. Jahnke's situation and to see if anything could be done to help her out. I also asked if there were any HFD members who could let us know.

    I certainly did not intend for this thread to take a shot at the members of the Houston Fire Dept nor did I intend to criticize any firefighter.

    For those of you responded constructively, THANK YOU.

    For those who responded inappropriately, why don't you just stay off the forum.

    As I said earlier, we should never forget those who have fallen in the line of duty.

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    .......I certainly did not intend for this thread to take a shot at the members of the Houston Fire Dept nor did I intend to criticize any firefighter.

    Nah too busy spreading rumours with your "There were some hints and allegations at the time that Houston's policy of "three on a truck" had contributed to his death."

    Well, so did not sprinkling the building. The policy, you mean UNION Contract, signed and supported by the troops say 3 on a rig and no more than 4. Want to try and support any of those numbers created by the union?

    AND

    "Mayor Lee Brown and asked "point blank" how many deaths would it take to put the fourth man onboard. "

    Gee, they got exactly what they wanted, too bad the fire fighters union had their head up their axe and didn't ask for 6 per rig.

    ....(Kudos to the union and its pension fund, they are helping out.)

    After fours months it doesn't sound like they are helping.

    ..., IS THIS THE PRICE THE JAHNKE FAMILY IS PAYING FOR MRS. JAHNKE'S COMMENTS AT CAPTAIN JAHNKE'S FUNERAL ?

    Yeah I'm sure it is personnal. I bet everyone would like to see it all go away at the mayors office. Everyone is not out to get her.

    A 40 mph 180 degree windshift occurred. What would you suggest to solve that other than unaxe the place?

    So the facts are they have four per rig. SO you can say it was all because of a death.

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