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    jlwlt359@aol.com
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    recently my department responded to a motor vehicle accident involving a armored car. this was a single vehicle accident and the truck had left the road flipped over onto it passenger side and came to rest in a drainage ditch along side the road. their where two occupant in the truck at the time of the accident both in the front portion on the truck. the passenger had self extricated himself prior to our arrival the drive who was not restained head been unresponsive but now was conscious and laying on the down side door. access tot the patient by ems was easy enough through the drivers door. the patient was emobilized with c spine and ked but we had no really good way to get the rather large patient from the vehicle. that is the reason for my letter we attempted to remove the front windshield by first driving a purchase hole through the glass with a halligan and sledge and then attempted to cut the windshield with a recip saw. this was very labor intensive, and proved to be less than successful. we ended up rigging a ground ladder as an A-FRAME and with pulleys and ropes and making a harness with webbing we lifted the patiend up and out. this worked well but mostly because we had the manpower avail. my question is if we did not have the manpower luxury or had we been in a place where the ladder operation would have worked does anyone have any suggestions on how we could have made this though the window operation work. the windshield was apx 1 inch thick "bullet proof" glass. we attepted to contact the courier company a few days later to see if we could possible get the remainder of the window to try differt techniques but they refused. they felt that sharing it would pose a safety risk to armored call companies. if anyone has any suggestions we would apprecaite hearing them and thanx

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    Phred
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    Question for jlwlt:
    You mentioned access was easy via driver's door - was this because you had the passenger's key? Were you able to examine the doors to determine how you might access either the front or rear compartments if both crew members had been nonresponsive behind locked doors?
    It is too bad the company refused to assist; maybe someone else has had a more productive encounter with a high security vehicle and can supply more information.
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    SCCARESCUE
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    Sounds like you treated your rescue as a Confined Space Incident - whichis exactly what it is. The armored car business will not help much in telling us how to cut their trucks open in a quick easier fashion - in fact - they are in the business of making it even tougher in the future. My suggestion would be to continue treating it like a confined space incident and get those types of resources to the scene. ALSO - call the armored car company - most cars never travel too far from a facility. Getting someone to respond quickly with a key would be the best thing to do. Even if it takes them 2 hours to drive to the scene, bets are that it will be faster than you can cut the thing open.

    remember: these cars are designed to keep people out, even those with explosives and big guns. Our rescue equipment will be a slow process at best, and in most cases, ineffective. Using accepted confined space procedures and recognizing that in this special case, standard EMS practices may have to be violated (backboards inside the vehicle for instance)you will probably be doing the best that you can with a very difficult job.

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    Dan Martelle

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