08-27-1999, 07:16 PM #1wfoFirehouse.com Guest
WHAT KIND OF EXTRICATION GLOVE DO YOU USE
I HAVE USED THESE:HOWELL RESCUE GLOVES,MECHANIX WEAR M-12,RINGERS RESOURCE,FIREFIGHTER GLOVES.WHAT KIND DO YOU USE?
08-27-1999, 07:55 PM #2e33Firehouse.com Guest
Save the gimmick gloves for another profession..$50 for gloves to wear while cutting cars apart is apalling. Shelby makes a very nice glove for about half the price..it is pigskin and stays supple when wet. Can even be washed without becoming rock solid like most others.
08-27-1999, 08:16 PM #3Eng 48Firehouse.com Guest
I agree with e 33. I use a pair of Skins pigskin gloves. I picked them up at a show for about $10. Can't beat them.
Be safe everyone!
08-27-1999, 09:40 PM #4ZmagFirehouse.com Guest
My buddy Dwight Clark sent me out a few years ago to locate a kevlar glove. What I found was a glove used in the meat packing industry. Its 100% kevlar that is hot dipped in PVC. Becouse it is hot dipped the PVC becomes a part of the fibers themselves and is almost impossable to peel off. The palms are coated and the backs remain breathable. I have been moving these gloves for about 18 months now and have only had 2 of the over 900 pair sold report any kind of failure. (Of course I replaced them) Dollar for dollar I feel they can't be beat. Ringers make one fantastic glove but as mentioned they are $50.00. If your intrested in another option mine sell for $10.00/pair. If you would like to see a picture of them visit my website at www.zmagrescue.com Thanks Mike
08-28-1999, 12:02 AM #5kbudFirehouse.com Guest
I've had a pair of Zmag's gloves for a few monthes now and they've worked great in the wrecking yard and on calls. The cut/slash protection is good, they decon easily(latex worn underneath of course) if you get blood or glass dust on them, and the dexterity they give is more than enough to connect fittings,etc. My department is buying a pair for each man next year.
08-28-1999, 07:40 AM #6K RomerFirehouse.com Guest
I too have an opinion on gloves (naturally).
I wonder how many people use their fire gloves for rescue work, including rope work. I wonder how many use the leather work glove.
I used to use fire gloves for rescue work. Think about it. Last night I could have worn those gloves to a wreck and soaked them with all the fluids found at a scene, today I go to a structure fire and wear those gloves into the building. Didn't think about it then, I DO THINK ABOUT IT NOW.
I then switched to the single layer leather work glove, until I reached for a cord and shoved a windshield shard through my finger and both sides of the single layer leather. It was impressive at the ER for removal.
I then again switched to the "style" of glove sold by that outfit in Ohio, we bought ours through another supplier, most likely the same exact glove. I found it better than what I have used, problem is, I used a lot of them. At $20.00 or so a pair it got expensive, about 5 pair a year.
I tried Mike's glove, it appears OK. Unfortunately, I just didn't like it, for no reasoin except I didn't like the rubber covering.
We now distribute the Ringer's glove. These are by far the most advanced "rescue" glove that you can buy. The "extrication" version protects against cuts and heat. The have vibration pads as not to interfere witht he carpal tunnel folks, and most important... they last! My hands are well worth the $49.95 that they cost. Keep an eye on Ringers, they have more products for the fire service on the way.
Performance is Everything!!
08-28-1999, 02:52 PM #7Jim GreeneFirehouse.com Guest
Hi Guys, just wanted to add what I have found out.
I was also not into using fire fighting gloves @ MVA's because of the fluids you pick up & that they are bulky & hot in the warm weather.
I first started looking around and found the Shelby leather gloves. I thought to myself if leather for fire fight is used , these would work great. They worked great until I found a piece of glass in my hand. Know I use these gloves for yard work.
I than went to Howell Rescue & bought their rescue gloves. They worked well but I have bought 2 pairs in 2 years.
I than recieved a pair of Zmags gloves.They worked very well. I would like a longer wrist protection & they do get a little slippery when they get fluids on them.
I just bought a pair of the Ringer gloves ( 3rd generation black with the finger tip pads on them ) They are very nice gloves & work very well.If you can afford them they're worth it.
As for all these gloves, not 1 glove is the answer to all. I still carry the Howells, Zmag & Ringer gloves with me. It really depends on which 1 works best for you & what fit into your budget.
Just 1 F/F oppinion
Keep up the good work guys & Be SAFE.
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08-29-1999, 06:24 PM #8sgt128Firehouse.com Guest
I use regular thick leather work gloves for my use. THey run between $6-$9. I find that these work best because in bloody situations, when the call is over I just toss them into the wrecked car and get a new pair.
In my experience, the more expensive gloves don't clean up very well, and are a lot harder to throw away. For sharp edges, they work fine, and I haven't torn a pair yet.
I also use them for salvage work, and if I am going onto a call where I may be doing rope work, I grab my extra pair from my locker, as gas and rope don't get along very well.
08-30-1999, 07:58 AM #9NathanFirehouse.com Guest
We get issued rigger gloves (leather) which are, I guess, OK for rescue - no second thoughts about tossing them when they get soaked in hydraulic fluid, blood etc. Not much in the way of protection from glass etc. (Our dept issued these same gloves for firefighting until 2 years ago. Lots of hot hands!!)
I personally bought a pair of Ringers and they're great. I think my hands are worth the Aust.$60.00 I spent on them. They're the only hands I've got!!
08-30-1999, 09:55 AM #10K RomerFirehouse.com Guest
Nathan, you hit it right on the head.
Everyone must ask themselves the same question... are my hands worth $6.00, $12.00, $18.00 ... or to the extreme $50.00 for the Ringers glove. They are the only hands you will have, one screw up can really put a binder on the rest of your life.
It's amazing to me that we spend countless dollars on stuff that is better than what we used to do, PBI as an example. I too use PBI for structural, mainly cause I got it almost free as a dealer. Would I go out and buy it at the normal price? Nope. Why? I see maybe one structure fire a year, then I am usually an apparatus operator. I don't do interior anymore. I don't need PBI.
I do 3-5 rescue demos a week, not inluding the actual calls I do at at home.
My hands are important to me, I can justify good gloves for the job.
I am not selling gloves here, I am stressing making good judgements on equipment that you use. If you like the $6.00 leather glove, go for it. Experience taught me that it isn't worth the ride to the ER, waiting there, Xrays, cleaning the wound, Tetanus (as required), return trips to the MD till released to go back to work, not to mention the hassles of being out of work for 2 weeks or more.
Just more of my opinion, and I know, everyone has one of those.
Performance is Everything!!
08-31-1999, 07:34 PM #11smbffFirehouse.com Guest
Grainger's has a knitted kevlar glove with a leather palm that works great. Called teh Junk Yard Dog. Since our extrication team has been using this glove, we have not had one cut on our hands. Our fire department has adopted this glove as our utility glove also.
08-31-1999, 10:39 PM #12ZmagFirehouse.com Guest
When I was glove searching I came across the "Junk Yard Dog" Not a bad glove at all, matter of fact its made by the same people that make the glove I carry. Still have a few in stock. But comparing the two I liked the dextarity(sp) of the Tuff Coat, it is made in the shape of your hand, while the Dog is a "flat" glove and not quite as comfortable. Plus the Dog is about 50% higher price. Hey, to each his own. I still prefer the Tuff Coat.
09-01-1999, 02:18 AM #13Ron ShawFirehouse.com Guest
I am rather partial to the Ringers gloves, and not just because I sell them. Ron Moore invited me to participate in the NHTSA film in Febuary of this year. All the participants were issued the Ringers gloves. The first generation glove had a problem with small glass shards piercing the finger tips. Ron spoke to the owners of the company and they changed the glove. There is now a thin rubber like material on the finger tips to prevent the glass from going through the thin material. But you can still feel a pulse with on, very comfortable and the dexterity is the best.
Yes the extrication gloves are expensive, so are leather helmets, nomex pants, kevlar rescue helmets, and extrication jumps suits. All of which I have bought, I want the best equipment even if it cost me a little more.
The cost of the glove is in the material, it costs 10 times that of leather. Most people can not tell the difference, and swear it is leather.
I was so impressed with the glove that I spoke to the owners at the Baltimore Expo and gave me online distributorship for Ringers. If I didn't beleive in the product, I wouldn't endorse them, nor sell them.
I was sent a proto type rappelling glove to field test. I made a few recommendations and those will now change the rope glove of the future. One complaint I always hear is heat transfer to the fingers. Ringers believes that they can omit this problem. The gloves were well received by five instructors and nine students in one day doing aproximately 30 rappels on 60 foot straight wall rappel. I even soaked them and did a rappel, the moister had no effect on me decent. The gloves dried out in about an hour. Be watching for this glove it should be a winner.
The company has gloves that are used in the NASCAR races for the pit crews and drivers. Some are guaranteed for life, they even offer a "Saturday Night Special" with a one year guarantee for a cost of $20 so all there gloves are not expensive.
Unfortunately there costs are past on the consumer just like any other company. If you have a complaint or comment the owners will personally listen to you. I like dealing with them I am very happy to work with them.
09-04-1999, 06:20 PM #14NVFD933Firehouse.com Guest
$50.00 DOLLARS FOR A PAIR OF GLOVES, THAT IS INSANE. WHO BUYS YOUR GEAR? WE ARE A SMALL DEPT. AND WE USE THE $9.95 BRAND FROM WAL-MART AND IF THEY GET WORN OUT OR COVERED IN OIL WE DONT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT TRYING TO CLEAN A $50.00 PAIR OF GLOVES. JUST TOSS THEM.
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09-05-1999, 07:58 AM #15K RomerFirehouse.com Guest
So in Texas, your hands aren't worth $50.00?? But you can justify $10.00 to protect them. How many $$$ is the pair of NFPA gloves you use for firefighting??
How many many pairs of $10.00 gloves would you go through, oh let's say in a years time?? If you don't go through several pair, you might be right, you might not need them.
Do whats right, protect the paws!!
"Performance is Everything!!"
09-05-1999, 12:53 PM #16NVFD933Firehouse.com Guest
Romer, look in your sept. galls, fire-dex nfpa/osha compliant fire gloves $23.99
If you or your dept. can afford to drop 50.00 on a pair of gloves more power to you but your paws can be protected for less.
09-05-1999, 06:22 PM #17K RomerFirehouse.com Guest
You win Texan!
Your paws can be protected for $23.99.
I'll continue to use and support the Ringers movement. Isn't America great, we can all have different opinions, but if our opinion is different than the other guys, well then watch out.
I am just trying to put into perspective the amount of money we spend on needless crap in this business... personally I like the Ringers glove and feel they are worth it.
I use the standard 662C black helmet for fire fighting. It does an adequate job of protecting my skull and don't see the need to spend my retirement $$$ on a leather helmet. Kind of the same school of thought isn't it??
See ya Texan!! (Would use your name if I could find it posted somewhere)
"Performance is Everything!!"
09-05-1999, 07:21 PM #18e33Firehouse.com Guest
Mr Romer and others posting:
I see it is your opinion that the ringers glove is superior to others...that I can respect. I have a hard time understanding why you push it so hard I think the matter is really one of preference, we can spend all day piddling over wether or not each is better or worse. I would not buy ringers myself..thats my personal preference, I would buy a leather helmet..thats my preference, I would carry a door chock on my helmet..thats my preference, I would use Hurst tools..thats my preference, I would use scott SCBA..its my preference..also many of the things we use are provided by our depratments..that which is not comes straight from the pockets of the fireighter. Some folks can't afford that stuff. My preferences are based on the things I have evaluated, researched, compared and know about, and based on cost. I have never worn a Ringers glove, and do not have plans to. I am happy with my Shelby gloves for extrication personally. Its understandable that we all get emotional or particular to our preferences about some of these topics ( I can be just as big of an offender..and I like to know when im being an a**hole so I can tone it down). And, as a point of reference...I have only replaced my leather gloves once in a little over a year. We do alot of extrication calls and practice, so the gloves get a beating.
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09-05-1999, 08:07 PM #19NVFD933Firehouse.com Guest
Kevin you are right opinions are great and every one has one.
p.s. my bad, its Rick Beaman
09-21-1999, 11:00 PM #20NVFD933Firehouse.com Guest
The posts on this page may seem heated or harsh. But I dont think anyone left the forum with bad feelings for anyone else. I dont think the opinions get any more heated here than they would if we were all sitting in my garage sharing beer and bar-b-que. Which I might add sounds like great fun. We all bring years of experience to these forums and we bring our opinions just to keep it interesting.
Be safe and happy
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