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  1. #21
    jj1967
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    Angry

    Gee, a union supporting a democrat, go figure.

    Al is running on his record. Which one?

    Al, 1980: "I'm a tobacco farmer, I've planted it, I've harvested it, I've hung it...I'm one of you."

    Al, 2000: "Big tobacco is has mislead the American people and should be fined and punished."

    Al, 1980: "Abortion is murder."

    Al, 2000: "A woman has the right to choose."

    Al, 1999: "I was instrumental in the creation of the internet."

    Al, 2000: "I don't know much about computers." (When trying to explain why his office couldn't produce back up copies of supeoned e-mails that oddly disappeared.)

    Give me GW thanks.


  2. #22
    huntere6
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    Question

    Has anyone heard from IT/medic?

  3. #23
    mongofire_99
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    Nope....

    And I was really hoping for something brilliant.

  4. #24
    firepros
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    Wink

    We're off to see the Wizard.....the Wonderful Wizard of OZ!

    Lions and tigers and bears oh my!

    Bushes, Gores, Chinese Budhists, IAFF, and all the above Oh Why?

    Brothers and sisters unite remember your constitutional right;

    Try to gleen from the political rhetoric what you can;

    Close the voting booth curtain behind you selct your candidates and vote for the best (wo)man!

    Just Vote! or lose the right to moan and groan after.............

    firepros

  5. #25
    Curt Dawson
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    Talking

    So you are welcome to vote for the Green party and Ralph Nader as I did during the 96 election and will do again during this election.

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  6. #26
    mongofire_99
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    Just wondering, what's the difference between the green party and socialist?

    After all Nader wants the top 500 US companies to be busted up and owned by the public/state.

    Now, what's the difference between socialist and communist?

  7. #27
    chf jstano
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    I have never been in favor of any organization that I have belonged to endorsing one candidate over another.I've always felt the best policy was to encourage people to excersise their right to vote,but as an organization don't tell them who to vote for.Politicians have long memories!On a local or regional level most folks vote for who brings the most pork home anyway.Congressperson Porkbarrel is always there smiling come election time and anybody trying to run against him is usually underfunded anyway!The preceeding posts have certainly been an imformative debate and have given me some information I'll have to sit back and digest before election day.:rolleyes http://www.firehouse.com/interactive/boards/frown.gifDefinitly more interesting than either convention)!STAY SAFE!

  8. #28
    S. Cook
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    The Green Party...?

    Nader...?

    Only in America can someone so set against our own founding principles and everything our country stands for, be allowed to do they things they do based on the freedoms they hate.

    The second paragraph of the Declaration of Independance states "...the pursuit of Happiness."

    Not "the pursuit of someone elses Happiness." Which is just what Nader (and Gore) want.

    Green Party Platform

    "MAJORITY RULE." (really means mob rule)

    "DEFENSE BUDGET MUST BE CUT..." "...by over 50% in the next 10 years"

    "...a graduated supplemental income, or negative income tax" (means income confiscation and redistribution)

    "...raise corporate taxes." (means the stuff you buy will cost more)

    "...progressivity in taxation as a matter of principle...their “fair share.” (they don't want a flat tax, but want everyone to pay a fair share, how do they figure a fair share?)

    "...support the ‘Brady Bill’" (which is designed to keep guns from law abiding citizens and has done absolutly nothing to keep people from being murdered by guns)

    "...do not support, as a matter of conscience, the DEATH PENALTY." (it's not their fault their murderes, it's societies)

    Ther's a lot more crap in there, but I got tired of reading it. Anti-American to the core.

    But, let me say this in all honesty - I strongly encourage you to vote for Nader.

  9. #29
    WLFD59
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    DO ANY OF YOU KNOW WERE I CAN FIND INFORMATION ON ISSUSES AND WERE GORE AND BUSH REALLY STAND.

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    "I'VE GOT YOUR BACK"

  10. #30
    S. Cook
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    Nutshell stances:

    Bush - you know whats best for you

    Gore - me and the other democrates in government know whats best for you.

    Q: "What's the most a person should have confiscated and redistributed in taxes?"

    Bush - No person should pay more that 33% of their income in taxes.

    Gore - Uh, well, see, um, I, we, I think I feel...

    Bush - The government surplus is the people money.

    Gore - The government surplus is government profit.

    Bush - give it back, everyone deserves a fair share.

    Gore and Clinton - if we give it back you'll just spend it the wrong way. But Gore has a plan to give you a tax cut as long as you you to have:
    - a child in government approved child care;
    - have a child attending college;
    - receive estate tax relief under the "qualified family-owned business" exemption (currently only 1 percent of estates qualify for this exemption);
    - be married and do not itemize;
    - a parent in need of long-term care


    www.georgebush.com www.algore.com www.rnc.com www.dnc.com

    [This message has been edited by S. Cook (edited August 24, 2000).]

  11. #31
    WOODMAN
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    For S.Cook,

    I take it that you are voting for the home team?I still have not figured out why IAFF
    would come out and do what they did and support Gore.What has he done for any fire service issue when it was in the capital?Zip
    nothing good at kissing to support.

  12. #32
    S. Cook
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    Yep, I'm voting for the home team.

    A few more policy stands...

    Education

    Bush - hold government schools and teachers accountable.

    Gore - don't worry about accountability, let's just throw more money at them.

    Bush - vouchers so your kids can attend the school of their choice.

    Gore - no way on vouchers. He doesn't want your kids to have the same educational opportunity as he did or his kids did.

    Social Security

    Bush - invest a portion of your money as you see fit in private accounts that give a bigger return if you want.

    Gore - no way, the people are idiots, too stoopid to make sound financial decisions. They must remain dependant on the government, we know what's best for them.


  13. #33
    jj1967
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    I am amazed that the IAFF would support Gore. Lets face, most IAFF members make good money...and pay high taxes. I know many firemen who make over 100K between two jobs and overtime. (Love the look on lawyers faces when they find out their neighbor is blue collar.) How can anyone in the 31% bracket vote for Gore? The FOP is supporting him to. The problem is the unions are being run by union guys, not firemen and cops.

  14. #34
    WOODMAN
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    JJ,

    When was the last time a union pres.ever worked a hose line?Yea some of the smaller ones do but in your larger cities most likely not for some time.Better yet when was the last time the head of a state org.ever worked a hose line.Running a big time union or local is like running a business you forget where you come from.When dealing with people trying to get elected to public office you end up in the mud with them.Take a
    poll and find out just how many IAFF and FOP
    members have or will vote what the union says to vote for I think you will find it will be about 50%.

  15. #35
    RDWFIRE
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    Cool

    To the Texas boys, I too am voting for the "home team". Not for any union reasons, but for Al Gore's stance on the environment. If he has his way, Alaska will be locked up, and Gore will hold the key. We already have many millions of acres all around the USA that have been designated "wilderness" areas. California's wilderness areas grew dramatically in the early '90s with the Clinton administration's meddling. The areas are uninforcable, due to the lack of funding for rangers, and impossible to fight fire in due to restrictions on motorized equipment in wilderness areas. It is my understanding that you can't even use colored retardent drops in wilderness areas. Where will it end?

    Vote what ever way you choose, but please vote. We all have our opinions. This is mine. When November rolls around, remember, if you do not vote, don't bitch about who won.
    Just my opinion.

    Be safe. The dragon lurks!!!

  16. #36
    axman
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    Red face

    I have seen a lot of sign's for the IAFF supporting AL Gore, I could understand this if he was really for Federal Fire Department Funding, but what does the IAFF get for supporting AL Gore? Did you hear any mention of firefighters in his Democratic Convention Speech? No, He Promised 50,000 More Policemen, So I don't think you should vote for AL Gore just because the IAFF wants you to.

  17. #37
    WOODMAN
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    I tell you one thing the IAFF is never going to do is change thier minds nope we just got
    sold down the river.They the chance to bring out the fire bill to the whole country in prime time and blew it.

  18. #38
    JAMESBENNETT
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    Lightbulb

    AS A DISTRICT FIRE CHIEF IN THE GREAT STATE OF TEXAS AND LIVING THOUGH REAGANNOMIC'S THE THIRD CHAPTER, GOVENER BUSH HAS BEEN VERY SUPORTIVE TO THE FIRE SERVICE IN GENERAL. TWO YEARS AGO WHEN OUR STATE STARTED BURNING OUT OF CONTROL, DUE TO CUT BACK'S OVER THE PAST 10 YEARS TO OUR FOREST SERVICE, HE MADE A BOLD STATMENT ABOUT THE FUTURE AND HAS PULLED US THOUGHT THIS FAR. HE TOLD THE DIRECTOR AF THE FOREST SERVICE TO REVITILIZE HIS ORGANIZATION AND THAT WE BETTER NOT HAVE ANOTHER YEAR LIKE 1998. SINCE THEN WE HAVE HAD NEW PREVENTION PROGRAMS INSTALLED BY THE STATE AND HAVE HAD A STAGING OF SOME SORT ALL OVER THE STATE CONSISTING OF EXTRA DOZER'S, PREVENTION SPECILIST OR ENGINE CREW'S. THIS HAS INCREASED THE COST OF DOING BUISNESS FOR THE FOREST SERVICE AND THE NEW PROGRAMS ARE GROWING DAILY, BUT WITH BUSHES SUPPORT FUNDING WAS NOT AN ISSUE. IN FACT MOST OF THE PREVETION PROGRAMS HAVE BEEN AQUIRED THOUGH FEDERAL GRANTS. THE FACT IS IT STILL COST LESS MONEY ON THE TAX PAYERS, DUE TO THE INCREDIBLE COST OF POOLING OUT OF STATE RESOURCES.

    I AM NOT TELLING YOU WHO TO VOTE FOR OR EVEN WHO I AM VOTING FOR, BUT LET THE RECORD REFLECT THE TRUTH. GOERGE W. BUSH IS A SUPPORTER OF THER FIRE SERVICE.

  19. #39
    DSmits
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    Never believe any politician. Instead of endorsing ahead of time lets make them a deal. If you as President can get the Fire Act funded for the next four years well help you out NEXT time. Until then forget the promises, all of you. Since I feel it my moral responsibility to vote Ill vote for.......the moral candidate...... hmmmmmmm....any thoughts on that one..... That means itll be Bush over Gore

  20. #40
    S. Cook
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    jj1967 said "I am amazed that the IAFF would support Gore."

    And that got me to wondering...

    Did the IAFF poll it's members to see who they wanted the union to endorse?

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