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  1. #41
    tinner
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    Here are a few questions that should be asked of Bush, Gore and just anyone running for a political office.


    1 - If you are elected to office what laws will you repeal?

    2 - Would you support criminal penalties:
    a) for politicians who violate their oath of office;
    b) for bureaucrats who act outside the powers delegated to them?

    3 When did you last read the state and / or federal Constitutions?

    4 - Should someone who has sworn an oath to preserve, protect and defend
    the Constitution, but who then votes to allocate tax funds to programs
    or departments not authorized by that Constitution, be removed from
    office?

    5 - Can you name any current areas of government operations that are
    outside the authority delegated to government?

    6 - Can you name areas where government might serve the public interest,
    but where it has no authority to act? If not, is it still accurate to
    say we have "government of limited powers"? Does this matter?

    7 - As a candidate for a state or federal office, can you think of any
    ways to improve enforcement of the 10th Amendment (the states and the
    people retain powers not delegated to the federal government)?

    I wouldn't vote for either Bush or Gore after hearing the syco-babel that has been presented so far. Both will take ya down the road to socialisim, just w/ Gore you will be on the fast track.

    Thanks for the dialoge thus far.
    Dave


  2. #42
    S. Cook
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    Register libertarian (or independant) and vote republican.

  3. #43
    WOODMAN
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    Hey Cook you running the Bush election bid in
    Texas if not you should be feeding them some
    of this info.Go Bush.

  4. #44
    S. Cook
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    Nope, not running the Texas Campaign, just being an informed voter. I did send them an email though telling them firefighters may be an untapped voting block. Out of the over 10,000 of us on these boards, only 2 or 3 support (or will voice their support) Gore.

    And if thats the way folks feel they should vote that's fine - more power to 'em. But they should know the truth so they can make an educated decision and not try to influence other folks with passed on lies. And for sure not vote a certain way because the AARP, IAFF, IBEW or other group that is "only looking out for their best intrest" says.

    Now somebody is gonna be upset because I said lies, but that's what they posted - lies, both on hear and teh career forum. I'm not accusing them of lying personally, I believe they were truly uninformed and unwittingly passed on somebody elses lies.

    Anyway, ya'll be safe and be an informed voter, do your own research, be your own person. If you do all that and still vote Gore, that's fine. But I would venture a guess to say you'd change.

    Scott

  5. #45
    Preston
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    S.Cook
    I nominate you for President and George W. as your running mate. All of the fellow firefighters cast a write in vote for these men!
    Keep up the good work and don't let any gores of the world disuade you.

  6. #46
    Squadee2
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    YO "huntere6" in the District, all I can say
    is "Ditto"! I could'nt have said it better.

    Long ago, I once had a political science pro-
    fessor express his philosophy w/this quote:
    "A bad republican is better then no
    republican!"

    The fact that we (firefighters collectively)
    have endorsed AlGore just goes to show how
    low we have stooped. By this, I mean, are'nt
    we (the fire service)the last real heroes and defense from the chaos that exists on the
    streets of urban America every day? We provide the best service of any local Gov't.
    agency, even though our staffing, equipment,
    and resources are at pitiful levels. Yeah, we
    need funding, equipment, FEMA, a effective
    NFA and a big dose of common sense! But, the IAFF endorsement has, to me and obviously
    many others, essentially made us just like
    all the other special interest groups that
    has tied the hands of our elected officials
    and the legislative process, which is for
    the "good of all the people", at least that's what I once thought and wish were true. The many problems the fire service faces daily is the direct result of a failed
    liberal/socalist agenda! If this analogy is
    wrong, then why is the urban fire problem the same or worse as it was in 1964? Even
    more so, go back to FDR! Because it does'nt
    work. The big picture, to see it, is for us
    to realize that despite the promises made by
    AlGore, which very well may help us, it or
    his proposed policies will NOT alleviate the
    ungoing war we are entrenched in! The war will not end until a National Fire and Build-
    ings Codes exists(from the Left Coast to the Atlantic), and our staffing, equipment, and
    resources are sufficient to be supported by
    a LOCAL economy that is permitted to thrive
    with LOCAL/regional money that stays and is
    not sent to Washington to support layer upon
    layer of Federal bureaucracy.
    The hallmark of recent liberal history is the
    100K Cops program. Well, maybe not, check the
    Justice Dept. for the real #'s (about 50K),
    and find out how many of those cops are still
    w/the same Dept. after Fed. funding ran out,
    and the local Gov't. could not afford to con-
    tinue w/there salaries and benefits! Back to
    square one apparently...Why? Because liberal
    policies "feel good, sound good, and look
    good", but have no real substance or meaning-
    ful longterm effectiveness! If the liberals
    had sound and equal policy agendas as they
    have promised currently and previously to
    special interest and minority groups, why are
    the same cries, disparity, and real world
    urban problems in existance? Need I be redund
    ant in answering! Unfortunately, we (IAFF)
    have fallen for the same Democratic promises.
    In a nut-shell, all I'm trying to say is that
    our interests, all worthy and well past due,
    pale in comparison to the needs of a strong
    and united nation. A strong nation of people,
    not divided by race and economic status as
    the AlGore campaign is manipulating, and a
    strong and diverse economy are the effects
    that will permit the fire service, as indiv-
    iduals,and as families to see equality and
    prosperty in the longterm sense. And w/that,
    less money to the Fed.s, more money in our
    pockets to spend locally, which supports the
    economy, and ultimately our local coffers
    for sufficient public safety!

    I appologize for the length of this reply, but "huntere6" is right and it really ticks
    me off that people don't see the big picture!
    A Fed. Gov't. surplus means only one thing
    to me: OVER TAXATION! I want my money, and I
    don't want or need some liberal to dictate
    what's best for me or how to spend it!!!

    THE AFOREMENTIONED COMMENTS ARE THAT OF I
    ANY I ONLY!

  7. #47
    phxfyr
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    I realize that this is not much of an open debate but rather a pro-Bush topic. That's OK. Many of you on this site have stated your opinions well and I am sure I cannot persuade you to the contrary.

    But for you undecided out there let me say this, Gov. Bush has proven that he has NOT supported firefighters in areas such as collective bargaining, pensions, union rights, and political rights of firefighters.

    Collective bargaining: George W. Bush vetoed 1997 legislation providing "meet and confer" rights to Texas firefighters and refused to grant full collective bargaining rights to transit employees. (Texas Legislative Council, "Summary of Enactments, 75th and 76th Legislatures.")

    Pensions: George W. Bush proposed raiding the teachers' pension fund to pay administrative costs of the Teacher Retirement System, costing Texas teachers $47 million in lost benefits. (Amarillo Daily news, 2/7/97. Austin American Statesman, 12/3/98).

    Union rights: George W. Bush has bragged about Texas' "right to work" status and vetoed 1997 legislation requiring Texas municipalities to offer payroll diduction for fire fighter union dues. (Texas Legislative Council, "Summary of Enactments, 75th Legislature").

    Political Rights of firefighters: George W. Bush supports "paycheck deciption," a proposal that would severely limit the ability of firefighters and other union members to participate in legislative and political activity. Bush has not made similar demands on corporations. (Iowa GOP Debate, Des Moines, IA 12/13/99.

    http://www.firehouse.com/interactive/boards/eek.gif As I stated previously, many of you have made up your minds. These are some facts to consider and I have included my references so you may research for yourself.

  8. #48
    S. Cook
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    Here's the link to one of the bills you referenced - http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlo/7...t/SB00621F.HTM

    It would have affected transit cops in cities over 1.5 million. That means probably only Houston, I'm not sure if Dallas, Austin and San Antonio have transit cops.

    This was a useless bill. In the State of Texas employees are allowed to organize for collective bargaining if a majority of those that will be affected agree too. Meeting and confering also takes place under current law.

    I cannot find anything regarding "George W. Bush vetoed 1997 legislation providing "meet and confer" rights to Texas firefighters." Please tell me where you found it, bill number and such, maybe a hyperlink.

    "vetoed 1997 legislation requiring Texas municipalities to offer payroll diduction for fire fighter union dues."

    Can't find this one either.

    But if he did veto it, good call! This should not be a state (or federal) law, it should, just as it is, be part of the negotiations.

    The only reason the union wants payroll deduct is because it makes paying dues easier and so they'll have more dues paying members. They will do anything to ensure this, including openning an account at a bank so that employees can direct deposit into it when they don't get, or lose, payroll deduct.

    "Pensions: George W. Bush proposed raiding the teachers' pension fund to pay administrative costs of the Teacher Retirement System, costing Texas teachers $47 million in lost benefits."

    Hey, that's just what Gore wants to do with the money he wants to over-confiscate from us! Gore wants to raid your personal finances and ability to increase your retirement investment to help pay the costs of administering social programs. Only he wants TRILLIONS.

    Can't comment on Bush supporting this as I don't know anything about it. But he has been good to Texas teachers, he increased teacher pay by 33 percent (average salary increase of $8,232) and increased funding for public schools by $8.3 billion. State funding per pupil has increased 37 percent. Texas is also first in teacher quality.

    "George W. Bush supports "paycheck deciption," a proposal that would severely limit the ability of firefighters and other union members to participate in legislative and political activity."

    What is paycheck deception?

    In a nutshell, it's the practice of charging you for political activities. They take more of your dues than necessary for union/employer stuff. They spend this money on political activity like getting people elected so they can start balancing the budget on the back of the fire department.

    I believe to the contrary, Bush's support of this does not "severely limit" your ability to participate in legislative and political activity. In fact, it increases your ability to do this. Instead of the union sending your money to some politician or political cause you may not support, you get to choose where your political dollar is spent. All you have to do is decide where you want to spend it and send in your check. (Just a thought - isn't it funny how to democrates choice only applies to abortion? Not to schools, social security, gun ownership... Just a thought.)

  9. #49
    S. Cook
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    OK, here's a few contrasts. Ya'll post some of your own - even you silent Gore supporters.

    If you believe:

    That there should not be a limit on the amount of money the government can confiscate from you; vote Gore.

    That 33% should be the maximum amount the government should confiscate; vote Bush. (Note, personally I think that is too much, flat tax me at 20% - 25%)

    Government should provide for all of your needs because you failed to do so; vote Gore.

    Government should help those truly in need; vote Bush.

    That it is OK for your minor child to have an invasive medical procedure without your knowledge as long as she doesn't smoke in the school of your choice; vote Gore.

    That you should know if your minor child is going to have an invasive medical procedure; vote Bush.

    Government schools are the best places for your children to be educated; vote Gore.

    You should be allowed to choose where your child is educated; vote Bush.

    That the character of a man does not matter in his ability to lead; vote Gore.

    That the character of a man does matter in his ability to lead; vote Bush.

    That you get a choice in only one situation that may or may not affect you or your family; vote Gore.

    That in all situations that may or may not affect your family you get to choose; vote Bush.

    That there is no controlling legal authority; vote Gore.

    That there is a controlling legal authority; vote Bush.

    Throwing more money at the education system will result in better education; vote Gore.

    Holding the education system accountable for its own success; vote Bush.

    The office of the president is above the law; vote Gore.

    The office of the president is not above the law; vote Bush.

    Bigger government makes things better; vote Gore.

    Less government makes things better; vote Bush.

    (Request, if you think bigger government makes things better, please give an example.)

    Our military should continue to be under funded and over-deployed and marginally ready for battle; vote Gore.

    Our military should have the best equipment available and be ready to serve us at a moments notice and be able to quickly neutralize any threat to our security with extreme prejudice; vote Bush.

    We should buy prescription drugs for every senior citizen; vote Gore.

    We should buy prescription drugs for those that can't afford them; vote Bush.

    The government surplus is the government’s money and they should keep it; vote Gore.

    The government surplus belongs to the people it will be confiscated from and it should be returned; vote Bush.

    (Imagine if a business did this sort of thing and the outrage that would go along with it from the buying public.)

    Requiring the registration of fire-arms will reduce the crime rate; vote Gore.

    Requiring the registration of fire-arms will not reduce the crime rate; vote Bush.

    Outlawing hand-guns will keep them out of the hands of criminals and reduce the crime rate; vote Gore.

    Outlawing hand-guns will only keep them out of the hands of law abiding citizens, leave them with less means to defend their home and family, and not reduce the crime; vote Bush.

    The thought that a potential violent crime victim may shoot back will not deter an attacker/criminal; vote Gore.

    The fact that a potential victim may shoot back does deter an attacker/criminal; vote Bush.



  10. #50
    chf jstano
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    Wow, I guess it's a good thing Hillary didn't decide to run for US senator from Texas! http://www.firehouse.com/interactive/boards/eek.gif

  11. #51
    S. Cook
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    "Wow, I guess it's a good thing Hillary didn't decide to run for US senator from Texas!"

    In the past, she might have made it. We've elected people almost as crooked (from both parties).

    Did you watch the debate? What's the true feeling of you folks up there - Lazio or Clinton?

    Here's a few more...

    If you believe:

    Al Gore knows whats best fo you and your family; vote Gore.

    You know what's best for you and your family; vote Bush.

    Al Gore invented the internet; vote Gore.

    Al Gore lied when he said he invented the internet; vote Bush.

    The government should penalize married people by confiscating more of there money; vote Gore.

    Married people should not be penalized by confiscating more of there money; vote Bush.

    The families of the dead should pay taxes the estate a dead person already paid taxes on; vote Gore.

    The families of the dead should not have to pay taxes on the estate a dead person already paid taxes on; vote Bush.

    In asking not what you can do for your country, but what your country can do for you; vote Gore.

    In asking not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country; vote Bush.

    [This message has been edited by S. Cook (edited September 17, 2000).]

  12. #52
    phxfyr
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    With George W. Bush as governor, the state of Texas has earned a mass of unpleasant distinctions.

    Among all states, Texas ranks second to last in children with health insurance, but first in handing out large tax cuts. The state ranks 41st in people above the poverty line and 43rd in hourly earnings, but first in industrial air pollution. And Texas ranks first in having the country's largest criminal justice system and the most executions, but 34th in per-student education spending.

    If this is what Bush has done for Texas, what would he do for America as president?

    Take a look at the full array of Texas' rankings (sources are quoted):

    http://www.firehouse.com/interactive/boards/frown.gif Health

    *"One of the nation's worst" in public health records. (Adam Clymer, "Bush and Texas Have Not Set a High Priority on Health Care," The New York Times, April 11, 2000, citing data on health insurance, infant mortality, cancer deaths, rates of diseases such as AIDS and diabetes, immunization, access to physicians and "distressful" health conditions along the Texas-Mexico border)

    *Second to last in children with health insurance. (Children's Defense Fund, The State of America's Children 2000)

    *49th in all people with health insurance. (The Kaiser Commission on Medicaid and the Uninsured, Uninsured in America: A Chartbook, Table 23, May 2000)

    *45th in babies born to mothers who received early prenatal care. (Children's Defense Fund, The State of America's Children 2000)

    *47th in fully immunized 2-year-olds. (Children's Defense Fund, The State of America's Children 2000)

    http://www.firehouse.com/interactive/boards/frown.gifEducation

    *45th in SAT scores. (Children's Defense Fund, The State of America's Children 2000)

    *34th in per-student expenditures for education. (Children's Defense Fund, The State of America's Children 2000)

    http://www.firehouse.com/interactive/boards/frown.gifWorkers' Wages and Rights

    *43rd in average hourly earnings. (U.S. Department of Labor, Bureau of Labor Statistics, "Employment and Earnings, May 2000")

    *41st—ninth worst—in overall poverty. (U.S. Department of Commerce, Bureau of the Census)

    *46th—fourth worst—in child poverty. (Children's Defense Fund, The State of America's Children 2000)

    *42nd in the proportion of unemployed workers who receive unemployment insurance. (Maurice Emsellem, Katherine Allen, Lois Shaw, "The Texas Unemployment Insurance System: Barriers to Access for Low-Wage, Part-Time & Women Workers," National Employment Law Project, Feb. 1999, p.i)

    *49th in union members as a percentage of the population. (Barry T. Hirsch, David A. Macpherson, Union Membership and Earnings Data Book: Compilations from the Current Population Survey, Bureau of National Affairs, 2000)

    http://www.firehouse.com/interactive/boards/frown.gifMisplaced Priorities

    *1st in giving the largest tax cuts in 1999. (Robert Pear, "States Gather Big Surpluses, Benefit of A Strong Economy," The New York Times, Jan. 5, 2000)

    *1st in largest criminal justice system. (Fox Butterfield, "On the Record: Governor Bush on Crime; Bush's Law and Order Adds Up to Tough and Popular," The New York Times, Aug. 18, 1999.

    *1st in executions. (Anthony Lewis, "Shallow and Callous," The New York Times, June 17, 2000) (OK: That's not bad, I'm pro-death penalty)

    http://www.firehouse.com/interactive/boards/frown.gifThe Environment

    *1st in industrial air pollution. (The Sierra Club, cited in Peter Marks, "The 2000 Campaign: The Ad Campaign; Bush Environmental Record," The New York Times, May 24, 2000)

    *1st in factories violating clean water standards. (The Sierra Club, cited in Peter Marks, "The 2000 Campaign: The Ad Campaign; Bush Environmental Record," The New York Times, May 24, 2000)

    *1st in most smog alerts in 1999. (Bob Herbert, "Bush Goes Green," The New York Times, April 6, 2000)

    *1st in most carcinogens discharged into the air. (Bob Herbert, "Bush Goes Green," The New York Times, April 6, 2000)

    Look, there's more to this election than a small folder on firehouse.com. Please don't base your decision on ther personal opinions of forum members. Do your homework! Consider what is best for yourself and your family! There are many websites out there that can help you do your own research and reach an informed and intelligent decision. Project Vote Smart is one at www.vote-smart.org.


  13. #53
    phxfyr
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    [QUOTE]Originally posted by S. Cook:
    [B]"Wow, I guess it's a good thing Hillary didn't decide to run for US senator from Texas!"

    In the past, she might have made it. We've elected people almost as crooked (from both parties).

    Did you watch the debate? What's the true feeling of you folks up there - Lazio or Clinton?

    Well, it looks like we agree on one thing! Lazio is a far better candidate than Hillary Clinton! Of course, my belief is that she is a political novice playing with NYS as her "toy" and I have never been a fan of carpetbaggers (a political term for those of you with your minds in the gutter) and that she is.

  14. #54
    S. Cook
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    OK first let me say we agree on more than just Hillary. Read some of my other posts and you'll see that I believe voters should do their homework.

    Now on to the long, boring but fun stuff.

    "*One of the nation's worst" in public health records."

    Clymer and the NY TImes couldn't print it if it wasn't true right?

    The "healthcare in Texas" arguement is useless. Bush was hamstringed by state laws enacted by previous democratic administrations.

    As soon as he was allowed to, Bush signed legislation that:

    1. Started the CHIP program (childrens health insurance program)and immediately outpaced similar states in enrolling children in CHIPs . In the first five months, Texas enrolled more than 17 percent of all eligible children. In contrast, the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia enrolled 7.3% of elligible children.

    Bush also ensured that children of legal immigrants would be elligible, something not allowed by the Clinton/Gore admin. (ref. Senate Bill 445, 76th Legislature; U.S. Department of Health and Human Services Press Release, 11/8/98).

    2. Slowed the growth of the uninsured to .3% over the Governor's term, while the national rate has increased almost four times as fast. (U.S. Census Bureau, March Current Population Survey: Years 1981 to 1999. U.S. Census Bureau, Health Insurance Historical Table 4. Health Insurance Coverage Status and Type of Coverage by State; All Persons: 1987 to 1998.)

    3. Signed legislation providing an $80 million increase for Medicaid reimbursements to physicians and hospitals providing care for the poor. (Appropriations Bill, 76th Legislature)

    4. Increased the utilization rate for dental care is almost double the national average (20% nationally and 38% in Texas).[Texas Health and Human Services Commission]

    5. "*49th in all people with health insurance."

    Texas provides an estimated $4 billion in health care to the uninsured through local and state initiatives. The number of Texans without health insurance is on the decline and the national uninsured rate increased four times faster than in Texas. [US Census Bureau]

    6. "*47th in fully immunized 2-year-olds."

    Texas has improved the Early Periodic Screening, Diagnosis, and Treatment (EPSDT) participation rates every year, moving from a 29% rate in 1993 to a 61% rate in 98 (latest figure). Texas has moved from the bottom third of the states nationally to among the highest in the country (national participation 54% and Texas is 61%).

    7. First state in the nation to allow a patient to appeal an HMO's decision to deny care. (SB 386, 75th Legislature)

    Education

    1. 1st in student improvement on test scores, especially for African-American and Hispanic students. (National Education Goals Panel)

    2. 9th in teacher pay, when adjusted for cost of living and teacher experience. In 1999, Texas ranked 24th in the nation, up from the 43rd ranking when Governor Bush took office. (Texas Education Agency; Texas Governor's Office of Budget and Planning)

    3. "*34th in per-student expenditures for education."

    State funding for public schools increased by $8.3 billion, representing a 37 percent increase in state funding per student. (Appropriations Bill 74th Legislature; Appropriations Bill 76th Legislature)

    Under Governor Bush, 56 percent of all new state spending was dedicated to public education. (Appropriations Bill 74th Legislature; Appropriations Bill 75th Legislature, Appropriations Bill 76th Legislature)

    Provided $200 million to abolish social promotion. (Appropriations Bill, 76th Legislature)

    Provided $25 million for after-school programs. (Appropriations Bill, 76th Legislature)

    Workers' Wages and Rights

    1. "*43rd in average hourly earnings."

    How does this compare when the cost of living is factored in? We have a low cost of living. If I make $40K here, I need to make $43K in Phoenix, $52K in Denver, $57K in LA, $56K in Arlington VA.....

    1.2 million jobs created, representing more than 10 percent of new jobs created nationwide and 48,000 new businesses. (Texas Workforce Commission; Bureau of Labor Statistics; Texas Department of Economic Development)

    Lowest unemployment rate in twenty years -- 4.7 percent. (Legislative Budget Board, Texas Fact Book, January 2000; Texas Comptroller, Texas Economic Indicators, 1980-2000; Texas Workforce Commission, Texas Unemployment 1970- Present¨)

    2. "41st—ninth worst—in overall poverty"

    Under Governor Bush, the poverty rate decreased 21.5 percent and the total number of Texans in poverty decreased 17 percent. (U.S. Census Bureau, March Current Population Survey: Years 1981 to 1999. U.S. Census Bureau, Historical Poverty Tables | People Table # 21, Number of Poor and Poverty Rate, By State: 1980-1998)

    Under Governor Bush, Texas has experienced unprecedented economic growth. The current average unemployment rate is 4.7 percent, the lowest in twenty years. (Legislative Budget Board, Texas Fact Book, January 2000; Texas Comptroller, Texas Economic Indicators, 1980-2000; Texas Workforce Commission, Texas Unemployment 1970- Present)

    Under Governor Bush, more than 1.4 million jobs were created in Texas, representing more than 10 percent of new jobs created nationwide. In addition, more than 48,000 new businesses have opened. (Texas Workforce Commission; Bureau of Labor Statistics; Texas Department of Economic Development)

    "*46th—fourth worst—in child poverty."

    Under Governor Bush, the child poverty rate decreased 19 percent and the overall number of children living in poverty also decreased 19 percent.(U.S. Census Bureau, Historical Poverty Tables, Peoplem Table #20, Poverty Status of Related Children under 6 years of age: 1969-1998: Texas Health and Human Services Commission reports; Texas Poverty Statistics for selected Age Groups: 1988-1997; and Demographic Profile of the Texas Population Living in Poverty, 1998)

    "*49th in union members as a percentage of the population."

    So?

    We are a right to work state and employees that wish to may join/form a union if a simple majority (>50%) of the "shop" choose to do so. Change the workers mind and you change your statistic. This can hardly be blamed on Bush.

    "*1st in giving the largest tax cuts in 1999."

    Yeah, Texas confiscates less of my money and we STILL have a surplus.

    "*1st in largest criminal justice system."

    Yep, we got quite a few criminals. But...

    "Texas is a safer place to live: violent crime has decreased 20 percent and violent juvenile crime has decreased 38 percent under Governor Bush."

    "*1st in executions."

    GREAT, one less murderer that may accidentally on purpose end up back on the street.

    "*1st in industrial air pollution./*1st in factories violating clean water standards./*1st in most smog alerts in 1999./*1st in most carcinogens discharged into the air."

    You forgot FIRST in cleaning all this mess up. Texas toxic emmisions have been reduced at rates greater than any other state.

    Does it make sense that since most of this country gets all of its hazardous chemicals from Texas that we would have more polution than the others?

    But look at it this way:

    - Population/pollution ratio, Texas has 12.6#'s of polution per person, Tennessee has 17.9#'s of polution per person

    - How about pollution/area Texas 872#'s of polution, per square mile and Tennessee 2,360#'s of polution per square mile.

    Now who has the worst environment?

    95% of drinking water meets all meets all standards.

    Under legislation signed by Governor Bush, Texas became the 3rd state in the nation to require pollution reductions and permits from grandfathered (older, unpermitted) utilities. Under the plan, they will reduce nitrogen oxide pollution by 50 percent and sulfur dioxide emissions by 25 percent by 2003. Environmental Defense (formerly The Environmental Defense Fund) called this law, “the strongest in the nation.” The voluntary emissions reduction program started in September 1999, and grandfathered facilities have until 2003 to obtain their permits. Already, 133 permits have been issued to grandfathered facilities, and about 25,000 tons of air pollutant emissions have been reduced. This is more than any other Texas governor has achieved.

    EPA shows Texas leads the nation in reducing toxic releases. According to the Environmental Protection Agency’s 1998 Toxic Release Inventory (the most recent data available from the EPA, released in May 2000), Texas dropped from first to fifth place in 1998 for total emissions to the air, water and soil. Moreover, Texas has led the nation in the reduction of toxic releases by 43 million pounds from 1995 to 1998.

  15. #55
    phxfyr
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    **George W. the ENVIRONMENTAOLIST!? I don't think so. Your data is skewed.

    In February, the Sierra Club launched its first California TV ads in 2000, highlighting Texas Governor George Bush's failure to protect Texans from pollution and noting that he has received "more than a million dollars in campaign contributions from Texas's worst air polluters." The ads are designed to educate Californians about Bush's record, and to encourage them to ask the Governor to clean up the mess in Texas.

    "Air pollution in Texas got worse over the last five years, and Governor Bush has done little to solve this crisis," said Carl Pope, Sierra Club's Executive Director. "Thousands of Texas children continue to have their health threatened by the worst air pollution in the country. That's why we are running these ads to call on Governor Bush to take concrete, comprehensive steps to attack the pollution crisis in Texas."

    Pollution problems plague Texas, but Gov. Bush has dismissed complaints, attempting to confuse the issue by taking credit for pollution cuts achieved by his predecessor and those mandated by federal law. In fact, despite requirements in the federal Clean Air Act -- and despite the opportunities provided by the state's enormous amounts of air and water pollution -- Texas has curbed pollution at a slower rate than the rest of the nation.

    "Texans worry that the chemicals dumped into our water and air are hurting our parents, our spouses and our children," said Ken Kramer, Director of Sierra Club's Lone Star (Texas) Chapter. "Unfortunately, Gov. Bush has been blowing smoke about his poor environmental record. These ads aim to set the record straight. When Texans have asked Gov. Bush to protect us from pollution, he's turned a deaf ear to us -- maybe he'll listen to folks in California instead."

    One of Bush's first actions as governor in 1995 was to cancel an automobile pollution inspection program that would have helped reduce smog from cars in Texas' two most polluted cities, Houston and the Dallas-Fort Worth area.

    In addition, a loophole in the Texas Clean Air Act allows over 800 hundred aging industrial plants to operate with antiquated air pollution controls and spew out more pollution. These plants produce one-third of the state's industrial air pollution. Gov. Bush refused to support a comprehensive, binding pollution control program. Instead, he worked closely with the oil, gas and electric utility industry to develop a weak voluntary clean up proposal and left the old loophole open. The final rules were passed last May, and only a handful of the aging plants will face penalties if they don't reduce their pollution.

    The new television ad, airing in Sacramento and San Jose, builds on TV and radio spots that aired in New Hampshire in November, December and January, and in Michigan in February, which also highlighted Governor Bush's record on air and water pollution.

    Now I know you may not like the refrence here ("lousy tree-huggers you might say) but they are an independant organization whose sole purpose is protecting the environment.

    **Death penalty: We agreed on that one.

    **Lowest earning takes into account the cost of living differences. (Check the reference material)

    **Right-to-work state: AKA Right-to-Screw state! This is what your union dollars are going to fight. Lets now forget that the issue of firefighter being placed in the quagmire of social security might be pushed by house republicans again ext year. Another loss from your paycheck!

    Having fun!

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    S. Cook
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    I confess, in my opinion the Sierra Club is about as credible as Clinton and Gore put together.

    "In addition, a loophole in the Texas Clean Air Act allows over 800 hundred aging industrial plants to operate with antiquated air pollution controls and spew out more pollution."

    Bush signed what the Environmental Defense Fund called the "strongest law in the nation" to clean this up.

    Texas became the 3rd state in the nation to require pollution reductions and permits from grandfathered (older, unpermitted) utilities. Under the plan, they will reduce nitrogen oxide pollution by 50 percent and sulfur dioxide emissions by 25 percent by 2003.

    The Environmetal Defense Scorecard shows Texas as 10th on the list for Health Risk from Hazardous Air Pollutants.

    They also show a decline from over 815 million pounds in '88 to right at 240 million pounds in '97, hardly an increase.

    According to the Environmental Protection Agency’s 1998 Toxic Release Inventory (the most recent data available from the EPA, released in May 2000), Texas dropped from first to fifth place in 1998 for total emissions to the air, water and soil. Moreover, Texas has led the nation in the reduction of toxic releases by 43 million pounds from 1995 to 1998.

    Unless less is more, a 43 million pound reduction can hardly be translated into a 5 year increase, especially when the data is not available to support the last 5 years ('95-'00) and the 7 years previous ('88-'95) show a 532 million pound TRI reduction.

    According to EPA data, Texas under Governor Bush compares favorably to the rest of the nation regarding reduction of the emission of pollutants.

    From 1995 to 1997:

    Sulfur dioxide emissions in Texas fell by 17.1%, while emissions for the nation as a whole increased by 11.2%.

    Nitrogen oxide emissions in Texas fell by 23.6%, while emissions for the nation as a whole increased by 8.2%.

    Who is the single largest poluter in teh nation?

  17. #57
    S. Cook
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    "Lets now forget that the issue of firefighter being placed in the quagmire of social security might be pushed by house republicans again ext year. Another loss from your paycheck!"

    You've lost me here, but do you really think Gore will fix social security? He's been taking from it for over 25 years. He's part of the reason it will not be there for us.

    He's been talking about fixing it for 25 years. Is it fixed yet?

    Here's a guy that claims we'll have record surplus' over the next 10 years yet still refuses to say what he feels that maximum amount is that the government should confiscate from your check.

    Why?

    Easy, he wants as much as he can get.

    Why?

    To redistribute it so you'll end up dependent on him and the rest of the government - socialism.

    Pure BS! His own mother-in-law can't depend on him. He doesn't want to help her buy her meds, he wants YOU to pay for your share of her drugs.

    He'll buy his dog drugs, but not his mother-in-law?

    That's the character we need in the White House? (to be fair I don't know his mother-in-law...)

  18. #58
    dtj
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    Thumbs down

    Did you see Jesse Jackson talking about the final court decisions on the race? He was standing behind the AFL-CIO emblem sounding almost subversive, but exercising his right to free speech.

  19. #59
    phxfyr
    Firehouse.com Guest

    Thumbs down

    Cut from the headlines of Firehouse Magazine:

    "President Bush Says Cut FIRE Act, Project Impact"

    Already firing shots at the fire service and he's barely out of his first month. To quote Rush Limbaugh, "See, I told you so."

    You voted for him, now your departments will suffer the concequences. Don't worry, you will face changes as well. Social Security is right around the corner.

  20. #60
    mongofire_99
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    Social Security is right around the corner.

    Great, I can't wait for them to get rid of this racist program and scam. A 10 year old can get better returns than the feds on a "savings account."

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