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    Default Riding Assignments and Tool Assignments

    I need information on riding and tool assignments for Rescue, Engine, and Truck companies. We are a department of 160 in our suppression staff.
    If you can send me sop/sog that would be great. I know that FDNY runs with this everyday. If anybody has any info it would greatly appreciated. you can send the sop's electronically if you wish
    jacots@earthlink.net

    Stay Safe & Keep Praying for our Lost and Missing

    [ 11-08-2001: Message edited by: cumedic ]

    We are a career Dept., 6 stations: 6 Engines, 2 Ladders, 2 Quick response vehicles (F-550),
    2 Heavy rescue/Service trucks,2 Battalion Chiefs. Population of 100,000.
    We run 5 on Engines, 4 on Ladders, 3 on Quick Response, and 4 on Heavy/Service. We do about 3500-4000 calls per year. Commercial, Residential, Suburban, ect.

    Let me know if you need anymore info

    [ 11-08-2001: Message edited by: cumedic ]
    Dennis E. Jacot<br />FF 5 Truck <br />Cary Fire/Rescue<br />Cary, North Carolina


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    a little backround would probably help, i take it your a fully paid co.? how many do you have each unit?
    the truth never hides for long

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    In my current department we dont have any riding assignments. In my old company we had riding assignments on every truck.
    On our engine the riding assigments were like this
    Driver Officer
    Hydrantman Ironsman

    Tipsman/packsman Tipsman/packman

    ---------------------------------------------
    That is basicly our riding positions. My old company was a engine company so I cant help you with ladder our rescue riding assigments. Riding assignments work out great since everyone knows what their job is on the fireground.

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    Re.cumedic -First Due Truck Structure Tools
    LCC. - Axe or Haligan,Radio

    ROOFMAN - 6 Ft. Haligan Hook, Haligan,Radio
    Roof Rope , Partner Saw (Taxpayer)

    OVM. - 6 FT.Hook , Haligan, Radio,choc,
    Partner Saw (top floor job)

    IRONS - Axe or Maul, Haligan,Radio
    Hyralic Ram "Rabbit Tool",choc,
    Partner Saw Metal Blade(taxpayer)

    CANMAN - 6 FT. Hook ,2.5 Gal.water ext.choc

    OFFICER - Flashlight , Mini Haligan ,Radio
    choc.

    These were are basic hand tools and riding
    positions,depending on the stucture
    Taxpayer,Tenement,Private Dwelling,High Rise
    you throw portable ladders into the mix and
    weather your first due or second due the tools carried change a little. If your interested in the FDNY books its on a CD Rom
    you can e-mail me and I will find out how you can get it.
    BASIC ENGINE STRUCTURE FIRE

    ECC - Pump panel

    NOZZEL MAN - 1 or 2 lengths of hose folded
    in a horse -shoe. choc.

    BACK UP - length of hose.choc.

    DOOR MAN - length of hose.Feeds hose into
    fire apartment door ,joins back-
    up and nozzel man. choc.

    CONTROL MAN - keeps track of how much hose is
    coming off , drops enough hose
    to reach fire area ,brakes line
    connects line to pumper or
    gives to ECC , chases kinks
    relieves door-man. Radio,choc.

    OFFICER - Flashlight ,Radio,choc.
    This is basic except for Stand-Pipe High-Rise
    Maybe this will give you some ideas, I tried to keep it short and sweet.
    STAY LOW-STAY SAFE

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    I guess I should explain what are riding postions are from my other post.

    Hydrant Man- If necessary, hooks into the hydrant. He gets a radio.

    Ironsman- Gets tools for foricble entry. Radio

    Tipsman- Takes hose and is the one who is on the tip.

    Packman- Back up on the nozzle

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    Hey Cumedic,

    I had posted the same thing in another forum, I guess that was the wrong one, I'm working on the same thing for my department, riding assignments and qualifications for our rigs

    we have 2 rescue/wagons and 1 truck

    If you want to trade notes at all, Please email me<br />at truckco25@yahoo.com

    Woody Woodward<br />Lititz Fire Department<br />Lititz PA

    **Also if anyone else can help me...That would be appreciated

    Thanks again

    [ 12-02-2001: Message edited by: 1BADTRUCKIE ]</p>

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    how about these:http://www.dcfd23.com/23-sopmenu.html

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    I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A FIRM BELIEVER IN OFFICERS ASSIGNING CREWS THEIR JOBS OR TOOLS. IT KEEPS THINGS ORGANIZED AND ASSURES THAT THE TOOLS WILL GET TO THE SCENE. YOU CAN NOT ASSUME THAT THE CREW WILL DO THE RIGHT JOB OR BRING THE RIGHT TOOL. MAKE THE ASSINGMENTS. IT WILL CUT DOWN ON LITTLE MISTAKES.

    STAY SAFE.

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    Staylow,<br />I see your point in special situations but not on 'routine' calls. For example, if I am riding the FE seat to a residential, I know my job (internal truck) and the tools to take (Irons). It is not that complicated. If it is a multi-family apt. complex then I know I will need to go to the fire floor and add a hydra-ram to my list of tools. <br />To me the basic goals of a riding assignment is the to aid the crews in working towards a common goal and to outline general duties each member should perform in their assigned position.

    So are riding assignments better that just turning around and giving someone their job? No. The officer still has the ultimate say in who does what.

    [ 12-03-2001: Message edited by: jizumper-5 ]</p>
    Keep Safe!

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    Jiz,

    I guess I don't have as much faith in people as you do. I agree with you 100% that assignments outline the general duties of each member. But, it shouldn't matter if it is the routine or special circumstances.

    Things are there easiest when you are with the same people every day. We have all been on details where we are not at our regular station, or someone is detailed into your house. How you do things may be different than the others would, and to keep things perfectly clear I have always perferrred the officer to assign tools and jobs first thing. It keeps two guys from fighting over the pipe, or two sets of irons being brought in and no hook, or any other small mishaps.

    It is easy to do the right thing while sitting infront of the comupter, but many people get tunnel vission when things start to happen. Assignments keep people focused so time isn't wasted on recovering from a mistake.

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    I agree with STAYLOW , at the start of the tour assign your postions , the guys inspect thier assingned tools .( the Johnny Sh*t should have already checked out the whole rig ) so now its being done twice to the individual positions,<br />gear by your side of the rig and your ready to roll. Knowing what position you have makes for a smooth operation and as your pulling into the block the Roofman can start his size up like wise for the OV-man before the rig even stops.<br />Our detail would most of the time be assigned<br />the CAN to be close to the Boss. The Boss kept a copy of the riding position list in his pocket<br />and a copy on the rig dash board, that way if<br />things went bad you had a idea of what part of the structure the named firefighter was at.<br /> STAY LOW-STAY SAFE

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    Staylow,<br />One more ? for you, I assume you are career by you response, so do you assign positions at the beginning of a shift or during each run? I can agree with you and K37T if the positions are assigned at the begining of a shift. I see that serves the same purpose as a riding assignment. But like I said there is no right way. For me, I have more faith in riding assignments depending on the department I am riding on. Take Care!
    Keep Safe!

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    My vollie house has adopted the riding assignments within the last year or so. It wasn't an easy switch, but people have ideas of what is expected of them when they ride the rig. Also, with our accountability sys, we have a rough idea of who started out doing what by where they are sitting. Granted, most of us know what has to be done, but this allows the less experienced guys more of a cheat-sheet on the ride in. Now if only we can get rid of the free-lancing! <img src="tongue.gif" border="0">

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    I understand how the riding assignments work out for the 1st in tuck and engine, but what does the assignments mean fr the 2nd, 3rd, 4th piece? What is their assignment?

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