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    Default Inappropriate ads on LODD pages

    The following is a copy of a letter I sent to news@firehouse.com. Does anyone agree or am I just being overly sensitive??


    Dear Firehouse.com:
    I love your website. I think it is the best place on the web to get up-to-date fire/ems info. I found the SOP's online especially helpful in designing SOP's for my own department. Despite my praise, it took a disturbing incident to prompt me to write.
    On the LODD page for Chief Pelton, there was an ad for single firefighters. This in iself was not offensive, but I found the accompanying photo to be. I do not object to the photo itself, but the choice of placement on an LODD page. I find it highly inappropriate, offensive, and most disrespectful for that particular ad to be found on the same page with such important and somber subject matter. I feel it in some way cheapens the sacrifice made by Chief Pelton. If I am ever to be killed in the line of duty, please do not put my story next to an advertisement like that.
    I realize that we all are able to benefit from the information on your site due to advertising revenue. I am not complaining about the advertising. I find most ads helpful, and even visit many of your sponsors sites from links on firehouse.com. Yours is the only site where I visit sponsors sites from. I also realize that these ads rotate regularly and (probably) automatically. I am simply suggesting that you devise a way to keep the ads with light-hearted subject matter out of LODD pages. Please display ads with some taste. Otherwise, keep up the good work and thank you for producing such a high quality website.

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    Craig....I personally don't think you are being over-sensitive...There is a time and place for everything, and there should be no ads, solicitations of any kind next to a LODD announcement, that is definetly not the time nor place....We need to show respect, something America is sadly lacking.....
    And I agree, firehouse.com is a great website...

    Stay safe, bree

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    I don't think you are over-reacting at all. The LODD page should be a place of respect and not a place for profit.

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    Not an overreaction at all Aumack, I to feel that LODD page should be a sacred place focused on only that. Good to point this out.

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    Couldn't agree more with what has already been said, it doesn't belong on the LODD page or any page for that matter. I am disappointed to see it at all on the site. It certainly isn't something I ever expected to see on this site. What's up guys?

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    I was going to post such a message myself, but didn't quite know what to say. But I will add my voice to this outrage. I did not see this ad on LODD but did see it elsewhere. What kind of message are we sending to visiting passer-bys? That we all are some kind of crazed half wits that "Need" this kind of content. I posted a message a while back about a beer contest to raise money for a cause, Do we need to use Beer for raising money when we can look on our Nations Highways and see the results from using beer.

    I hope that Firehouse.com is not slipping up and "Trying" to please all crouds just to get web site visitors. I hope that Firehouse.com would have some kind of values and keep this site for what it was meant for; "A Valuable and Informative" Site for the Emergency Services Community"
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    It's been 10 days since this thread has started. I love the site too. I'm sure one of them has read it. If someone steps out of line on the the other areas they give that person the gong and rightfully so at times. I notice on this particular forum it takes them days and sometimes weeks to respond to concerns of posters. Sometimes they don't respond at all and the thread just disappears. The problem is, we are calling the web team out on a subject we feel is disrespectful. That dating service, with the pictures of girls who could very well be doing porn, pays this site money to run their ads and that is the bottom DOLLAR even if it is a slap in the face to members who died and their families. Prove me wrong firehouse.com and remove it at least from the LODD area!

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    Forum Members,

    We do indeed read all the forums as we can, especially the site comments one in particular.

    When we accept advertising, it is mostly across the board and advertisers have positions throughout the site. As is the case here, the ad in question is NOT promoting a porn site and we would never allow advertising by such a site, or gambling, guns, or alcohol for that matter.

    The ad in question is similar to one running also in Firehouse Magazine and other publications. No disrespect is intended and as most of these posts point to, advertising revenue runs this site and without it, and the dollars each and every advertiser, brings is, there would not be a Firehouse.com.

    We do make every effort to keep ads in good taste, and not promote things the that defy standards of safety and morality. In this case, we are not trying to garner site visitors by these ads as they are just that, ads and we have no relation to the advertiser, nor do they generate traffic for us. We can only promise to do our best to maintain our high level of quality content while at the same time making sure we are generating revenue and thus able to be around for the long haul.

    The Line of Duty pages, like any page, take considerable effort and resources to pull together, and there is honestly no way we could produce them without advertising support. We will be introducing some subscription-based non-advertising sponsored pages, which may include options to have any page you visit not include advertising for members. Again, no disrespect is ever intended and while there are detractors from some types of ads or another, there are also those who not only support by visit those same advertisers.

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    Although I won't speak on the behalf of others who've written in this post, I completely understand the need for advertising funds to post the pages we see. Websites (especially good ones) are not cheap, and I know I get a lot of information from this site. I'm very impressed.

    However, as firefighters and their suppliers are a close-knit community, I would question the integrity and intentions of any advertiser - particularly "personal ads" companies - who feels that such material needs to be posted along with LODDs without discussion.

    Personally, I'd like to see LODD pages be advertiser-free. However, if this is simply not possible, at the very least remove the advertisements to meet single firefighters from the page. If that advertiser disagrees, I would be disappointed if Firehouse would prostitute itself to keep those advertising dollars, since that advertiser has no clue of the pride we take in our bothers and sisters who gave their lives.

    I hope my sentiments are understood and not mistaken in anger.

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    When I started this thread, I never meant to suggest that the webmaster(s) or any advertiser meant any disrespect to anyone. As a matter of fact, I pointed out that individual ads/banners are probably assigned to individual pages automatically. It takes an incredible amount of revenue to run a sight of this quality, even if you were just trying to break-even. Servers, office space, and talented web developers are not free. I actually support the advertisers on this site, and this is just about the only site where I can ever remember purposely clicking a banner to reach an advertiser. Again, I am not objecting to the ads in general. I was simply trying to say that wouldn't it be nice if the Webteam was able to swing it so the LODD pages are ad-free or have subject-appropriate content (ie, no beer contest, singles, t-shirt ads, etc). Thank you.
    The above expressed opinion/statements do not represent those of the North Stelton Volunteer Fire Company. There are solely the personal opinion of the author.

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    (ie, no beer contest, singles, t-shirt ads, etc).
    I Can Understand A Beer Contest,A Singles A Little Bit For Not Being On There,But Why A T-Shirt Ad?Whats Wrong With That?Fire House Has To Make Money,A Magazine Like That Can't Be Free.Everything In This World Costs Money,So I Side With You On That There Should Be No Beer Ads,But I Think That Singles And T-Shirts Are Fine.A LODD Is A Major And Bad Thing But That Is Their Time To Go To The Other Side And Thats How And When They Want To Go,You Can't Control That Only God Can.

    And Firehouse Does A Great Job,Keep You The Good Work!
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    Originally posted by Aumack:
    <STRONG>Does anyone agree or am I just being overly sensitive??</STRONG>
    I agree 100%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    I believe what I read from the web team says that even though they understand what the topic of discussion is and what certain members want they are not willing to pull the ad because of the cost to advertise vs. the respect for a fallen brother or sister that others may have.

    I'm not trying to stir the pot here but I see the point that Aumack is trying to make.

    My question is why not put another ad in that spot instead?


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