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  1. #26
    Flochief
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    Pierce, by far.

  2. #27
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    WE have a CF Mack/Thibault quint that is 27 years old. Too bad they're both gone. The Pierce Dash pumper we run first out is incredibly underpowered(matched to the pump!). Every time you hit a puddle, the window fogs up (been that way since day one)Other than that and a few other little things that creep up over the years, Pierce makes a fine truck. Others in our area have E-ones, and some hate them, some swear by them. new KME in town went back to the factory within two weeks to weld a crack in the turntable (not a good sign) Personally, I love the idea of the EHL hose system that Smeal is building. Seems to be a great idea if you are using ldh.
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    I never really liked quints, except as a compromise, until Smeal built St. Louis quints. These look pretty nice, easy to work off of, etc. I've been halfheartedly looking for someone who knows about them, so if you do, email me.
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    //I never really liked quints, except as a compromise, until Smeal built St. Louis quints. These look pretty nice, easy to work off of, etc.//

    Looks good huh?



    [This message has been edited by LHS* (edited 03-03-2001).]

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    Well thank you larry, i've been looking for more information on them, and you've answered some of the questions I had. (namely what the heck you do if the fire is 400' away from the apparatus)

    I looked at the hose bed and thought, yes, it's something else that could break (but then I never would have thought that would scare YOU) I did think that they could back over the hose like everyone else (or turn around and drive over), but i guess there is probably some sort of NFPA required interlock device.

    Can't rack the hose with the outriggers down and out? So what? I can't think of a situation where I have to take up my hose but couldn't take down my ladder.

    I guess they should have gotten a smaller pump? 5" hose could only supply them one, maybe two hundred feet off the hydrant. With a pumper 5" could supply them maybe 5-600', but I know how you feel about pumpers. If they had a real wagon, or a telesquirt, they could lay dual lines, but why give up a real aerial when for the most part, they don't need dual lines? Need more water, call another company. The fire doesn't care whether or not the pumps were fully at capacity or not, nor how many pumps were used.

    After all, St. Louis has a class 1 ISO rating, how could they be wrong? I guess they didn't hire you to get it.

    [This message has been edited by SBrooks (edited 02-08-2001).]

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    The 8 Pierce's my department has had for the
    last 14 years have given excellent service

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    I really enjoyed SBrooks reply rearding LHS's comments. A simple design is the best design.

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    //(but then I never would have thought that would scare YOU)

    Who's scared????



    [This message has been edited by LHS* (edited 03-03-2001).]

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    LHS
    As far as techno gadgets on fire trucks scaring people...yes most places, especially busy places, tend to keep it simple when it comes to designing fire trucks...if it's not there, it can't break. Fallon-Churchill would be the other extreme. Therefore, I did not think you would shy away from another widget on a fire truck.

    If I'm willing to drive (slowly, carefully)with a couple of my men on top repacking hose, why wouldn't I drive around with a properly engineered device sticking 14' out the back. I've even heard of people driving around with a 50' telesquirt up and flowing.

    Hose is loaded from the side, pulled from the rear. The outriggers are on the side, not on the rear. Can't rack with outriggers, can pull. Where's the problem?

    Most places send more than one fire truck to a fire. The additional cost of increasing pump capacity from 1000 to 2000 gpm is negligable compared to the price of the vehicle. It could be fairly said that their fire flow will never be limited by pump capacity...what's wrong with that?

    As far as the weight goes: I have never had the opportunity to read St.Louis's Specs, or Smeal's As built plans. Apparently you have, could you share them with me? I don't know how much the things weigh. However, since they have apparently built them and placed them in service, I am only assuming that they are DOT legal.

    Sure, my guy could forget to lay a line, I'm sure it has happened and will happen again. Or they could get lost, or the truck could be out of service, or they could be on a medical local, or out of service training. Maybe their aerial needs certification. That's why departments have more than onean one fire truck to send to a (report of a) fire. What's your point?

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    ///The additional cost of increasing pump capacity from 1000 to 2000 gpm is negligable compared to the price of the vehicle.

    You're right so buy the right size hose to do the job.



    [This message has been edited by LHS* (edited 03-03-2001).]

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    The attack lines are at the height of an upper compartment...about 52" i'd guess.

    How much do the F-C Engines & Tankers weigh?

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    1. Mack and the CF (RIP)
    2. Pierce
    3. Seagrave and Sutphen, which makes one hell of a ladder

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    Well Pierce is at the top of the list!!!!And E-one is at the bottom!

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    Pierce is the best, E-one is the best, Smeal, ALF, and so on. Everyone has their own opinion and has a right to voice it. For the department I am on, we decide what company we will purchase from based on the reputation that company has with us, what other departments tell us, and what we see at the factory.
    To date we run three Pierces, one Salisbury, two E-ones, One Alexis/HME, and four others that were build in house. They all have their good points and bad. We have found it is not the manufacture, but the service that backs up that truck. And with that, the best truck for this department is E-one and Alexis. Pierce service locally has totally missed the mark!!

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    1st mack cf
    2nd seagrave
    3rd hme

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    The best fire truck.

    My dept. in Central Texas is going with Pierce. Specs are done on a Quantum top mount,Series 60, roll-up doors and 5 man cab.
    That is 3 seats facing forward. We are just waiting on everyone to sign off on it. We found a way to get the truck without having to go out to bid.

    The best truck was the old Mack CF. Our 1975 has out lasted two FMC's and will see the 3 Sutphens leave as well. Our Quint is out of service AGAIN! The Mack is filling in as usual. Our new ladder in 5 yrs will be a Pierce as well.

    We looked at ALF and Ferrara didn't want to work with us for some reason.

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    jhill, what is the quint? You pretty much a lot of manufacturers without disclosing mfg of the quint

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    Crown Firecoach!!!!


    no I am NOT from LA City or County

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    Our Quint is a 1989 Sutphen.
    You can see the trucks on our web site www.sanmarcos.net/smpffa
    click on photos

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    //Manufactures using HME or Spartan chassis's
    1. Rosenbauer America - General Safety, Central States, RK Aerials, Metz Aerials

    They Rosenbauer make their own custom chassis for General Safety and Central States.

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    Many of you are basing your opinions on apparatus being SLOW... That is not the manufacturers fault... That is the fault of the committee who wrote the specs (i.e. Those who would rather save 2,000 dollars by putting in a motor that has 150 less horsepower) My station is famous for these kind of "geniuses".

    Looking at the real issues... You certainly can't beat the fit and finish of a PIERCE!

    E-One has come a long way in a relatively short time... not a bad piece.

    Seagrave's arent bad, but they have one of the worst ladders on the market.

    Alf isn't bad, though I have heard some horror stories about stress cracks in the cab and electrical problems... I personally have never driven or used any of the newer ones, so this is all based on heresay.

    Sutphen, not bad, but the one at my old station had some electrical problems.

    KME = KANT MAKE ENGINES... The absolute worst, in my mind (and my station has two of the heaps of crap)

    Aerial Innovations makes a great ladder, as does LTI (now part of Alf). LTI and AI have a close ancestry (the Zimmerman family).

    Baker, yep the 'scopes are awesome!

    Hahn was the REAL FIRE ENGINE, unless you come from the left coast, in which case CROWN FIRECOACH takes the cake.

    Mack, the Bulldog speaks for itself!

    Grumman built a nice piece in their day... though the aerials never could compete with LTI...

    Smeal = I saw a t-shirt that sums this one up, it read "What the hell is a Smeal"?

    Saulsbury, the way to go in squads...

    Pirsch were kinda cool... built some cool trucks, as did Maxim...

    Next to KME, the ULTIMATE JUNK AWARD goes to.........
    the Bronto SkyLift.

    Snorkel was a hell of an aerial... dont see very many today, but they are still out there, I believe as part of American LaFrance...

    These are my opinions... if you want the facts to back up these opinions, just let me know!

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    USAR29 I would like to here from you on your experience with Bronto Skylift. Please email me at firmech154@aol.com Or post here if you want.

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    In NorthWest Ohio the most popular truck is Pierce and Sutphen, Sutphen being built in Columbus Ohio is more cost efficent to departments in Ohio, it makes sence on maintance. They both make excellent truck!The department i work for has had pierce more many year but has recently purchased a Sutphen Engine and a Sparten Smeal Ladder based on budget issues, as long as the truck gets me to where I need to do my job and lets me do it effiecently, the best company doesnt matter!

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    Quote Originally Posted by t_stoudi View Post
    In NorthWest Ohio the most popular truck is Pierce and Sutphen, Sutphen being built in Columbus Ohio is more cost efficent to departments in Ohio, it makes sence on maintance. They both make excellent truck!The department i work for has had pierce more many year but has recently purchased a Sutphen Engine and a Sparten Smeal Ladder based on budget issues, as long as the truck gets me to where I need to do my job and lets me do it effiecently, the best company doesnt matter!
    Stoudi, you're a paramedic or an ER Doctor, aren't you????
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    i vote Hahn
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