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    Default LUVERNE or SUTPHEN?

    My Department Is Looking to replace an Out Dated Pumper. We've Narrowed it down to Luverne and Sutphen. Anyone have any experiance with either of these two manufacturers? Please E-mail me at
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    Well luverne from the apparatus I saw uses a lot of flex hoses, for example on a rear discharge the flex hose was in a rear compartment and exposed to anything you put in that compartment. The second thing I saw was the electrical system was also in a side compartment and only protected by a sliding door with no moisture or protection from items in the compartment. The only thing that was nice is the cob electrical components were in an easily accesible place. Also the truck was just more like a bread box on wheels(square). I hope this helps. I think I would by a supthen, but thats just my opinion.Good luck with which ever one you buy.

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    I'm just curious about how you got down to Sutphen and Luverne?

    Chicago has mostly Luverne and it seems to be working out OK for them. Several departments that I know of have had Sutphen towers and they also worked out OK for them.

    What about just listing everything you want on a rig and going out to bid?

    Seriously, I'm curious about how you got down to those two.

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    Sutphen! My department has several Sutphens, both pumpers and quints. I am assigned to a Sutphen engine and I love it. It's fast and drives and handles smoothly.

    My volunteer department buys Pierce apparatus. Again, I am very pleased with this equipment also.

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    My Dept. took delivery of a Sutphen rescue pumper, international chassis in 1998. We were not happy with the build quality or the representaion from the factory. there were many issues. If you would like specifics please E-mail me.

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    Do yourself a big favor and narrow your choices to the top three, ALF, E-1, Pierce.

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    Alot of firefighters across the country have different opinions on who builds the best apparatus. Many rely on experience or word of mouth to select their next rig. I've spoken to people who run today's big names, E-One,Pierce, Seagrave and they either love them or hate them. No matter who you decide to go with, remember that there are only so many brands of engines, transmissions, axles, and other components to choose from. Whoever can build your rig, to your specs,with the best customer support,and for what you want to pay would be your best choice. Get everything in writing and try to make enough pre-delivery inspections so everyone is on the same page. Hope this helps. Good luck.

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    You mean Sutphen returned your calls and came to see you...

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    LaFrance certainly isn't in the top three, in fact they arenot in the top 5. In order, 1. Pierce, 2. E-One, You left out 3. KME, 4. Central States, 5.Ferrera then 6. Lafrance

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    the 7 tower, Please, where did you get your information about manufacturers' current market position in the industry?
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    Buy from the Dealership that will give you the BEST service after the sale. That is what really makes the difference.

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    Central States should not be rated that high if they are....we recently purchased a truck from them and have had nothing but problems. The thing has been back to the factory twice for repairs, both times being driven out there. Imagine how many miles we have on our new truck now.

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    Hello,<br />Engine5 you hit the nail on the head.<br />Most problems simply result from the initial specs.. A simple problem may be to small of an alternator or not a large enough motor.<br />All apparatus is going to have minor problems, and or is going to need service. Whether your department has its own fleet maintenance division or a outside contractor is used; they have a large resposibility. Simple problems with a Pierce (simply for arguent sake), which is not fixed at the shop the first time does not necesarily mean that Pierce is a P.O.S..<br />Your fleet service contractor or divison may need to be re-examined.
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    Buying from the "big 3" or big 5 doesn't mean you get quality. It means you got one of many that they had to get out that month.<br />I know of several companies that are not happy with their KME (I've heard the K-Mart-Engineering and KeepMechanicsEmployed jokes) or their Spartan chassis regardless of whose body they choose.<br />We are a small volunteer fire company and KME wouldn't even talk to us 2 years ago since we were only going to buy 1 truck now.<br />We decided on a New Lexington on an HME P2 1871 chassis. The stainless steel body was totally hand made by craftsmen right here in Pennsylvania.<br />I've had friends from other fire companies estimate the price at least $100k higher than we actually paid.<br />After a year of service we don't even have a loose screw or bolt and the extra money is our bank account because we didn't pay a premium just to get a "name brand" truck.<br />Do your research, make sure the manufacturer knows what you want and need and will meet or exceed your expectations. Returning phone calls is also a great idea.<br /> <img src="cool.gif" border="0">
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    Just a little incite, the fire apparatus manufacture make the box for the the chasis. Must of the problems experience today are those of the chasis. Like I have scene in the previous responses, proper specs are needed. Make sure you are putting in the proper equipment in to make it work. If you can afford it, go for the stainless chasis and body. You will save a lot on future cost and repairs. If you go with the Sutphen, DO NOT BUY THE CINCINNAT CAB. Be sure not to buy it, they will rape you.

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    If you can afford to buy a Sutphen then you should be able to afford almost anything out there. I agree with one reply where someone said spec make or break a piece of apparatus. I also believe that truely the best (meaning highest quality with the best price) apparatus is built by the small custom builders and not any of the top 5. I feel that assembly line units lack the quality and to use the word custom means that they will engineer and build anything you want so long as it can be done. <br />No Bull**** thats Custom!<br />If you want a 31" high compartments or a 34" wide pump panel who could you get to build it. Stuphen builds some nice products for a smaller builder but I am not sure how custom they go on there body options. Most of there units look the same which would make me think the options may be somewhat limited. I do know their cost can be pricey and their huck bolt aluminum body is different from most other manufactures on the market. I like the smaller manufactures myself. Check out the little guys and make sure the big ones can really do you justice. Here are some that I think are worth checking out: Kenco Fabricating, Gowan Knight, M&W, New Lexington, 4 Guys, US TAnker, Marion, and V-Tec. All have their nich but all build well built apparatus. If you or anyone else would like information on these companies go to the links page under apparatus manufactures. Take care and be safe. FGN. <img src="cool.gif" border="0">

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