The 130 & 190 are the core curriculum of the "Red Card". In order to red card you must attend these two courses. As for the "Cow catchers", yes, I do know what you are talking about. This would be one of the circumstances of firefighters "improperly" riding on apparatus per 130-190. As far as the other, I am talking putting shovels, pulaski's, mcleods, line packs, and other such objects in the back of a pickup with firefighters. According to NWCG guidelines, you must either make 2 trips (1 tools only the other firefighters only) or have 2 trucks (1 for firefighters and 1 for tools). If you see Type 1 Hot Shot crews or most Type 2 crews the have a "chase truck" that carries all thier tools separate from the firefighters.
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03-11-2001, 01:07 AM #21mark440Firehouse.com Guest
03-16-2001, 04:17 PM #22John_FordFirehouse.com Guest
Monster, no disrespect intended and none taken. I've been in the fire service for a few years and went to grass/brush fires. Watched the news for the stuff out west. Never thought it would happen here. Well the the Local NPS crew started a controlled burn and ending up ripping off about 300/400 acres. That was a forest fire in Northeast PA. They ended up with 4 hotshot crews in a place you never would have thought it would happen. It was a eye opening experience for all concerned. My opinion, If you are going to go fight Grass/ Brush / Whatever, do the Red Card. and get your 190 ticket. You and those you work with will be the better for it.
03-22-2001, 12:05 AM #23LtStickFirehouse.com Guest
In our area the majority of the brush fires we get don't come even close to the ones they have out west every year. Up here in central Pennsylvania. However there have been a few impressive ones over the years. I can remember back in late April of 1990 there was a major forest fire in an area called the Sandy Ridge trail. I don't remember how many acres burnt but I think it was in the hundreds. I was part of a crew that spent the night up there. We did a good bit of walking there. Also If we go to the Black Moshanon State park to assist on one we are pretty much guaranteed to do some walking. We do get lucky some times and get these small ones that we can just drive along and put them out using a short hoseline and a firefighter walking along side of our brush tanker or bye riding on the back of it. It may not be the recommended method but, it gets the job done and the people from forestry haven't said anything about it. As a matter of fact our old brush unit had a front line for that purpose and one of there people who belonged to my department piped it there for that purpose.
As far as I know Pennsylvania doesn't use smoke jumpers. Although there are probably times people here wish they would.
03-22-2001, 01:48 PM #24Monstermudder78Firehouse.com Guest
Guys, thanks for all the information. I just want to say that I agree that everyone should get certified and I am working on getting signed up. I would like to explain a little about the area I am in. 99% of the fuel around here is sagebrush and cheat grass. We only get about 8"-10" of rain per year, so things don't grow very tall and everything is really dry. Consequently, fires move fairly quickly. Last summer, a neighboring department had a fire that burned about 1600 acres in about 7 hrs. This was a fairly major fire, with maybe 7-9 departments working together. We are almost forced into riding the cow-catcher to put out fire. If we didn't, we wouldn't be able to keep up. Now we only have big fires like this maybe once or twice per year, but all the brush fires move just as fast. I don't think any other method of fighting these fires would work as well or be as economical.
03-22-2001, 11:42 PM #25LtStickFirehouse.com Guest
I would have to agree with Monstermudder78. In his area that is probably the best method of combating the type of fire they normally are confronted with. We use the same technique on field fires and some brush fires. We figure if we can hit it with a 1 1/2 line while were on the move it saves us some time. We use a Duce and a half with two 600 gallon tanks and a 3 inch trash pump. This system has worked very well for us and many other departments in our area. That's not saying we do this all the time. There have been many where we park at a command post and walk into an area to create fire lines because, we have done this as well. There have also been occasions where we've had to push trees over to navigate trails and get to where we we're assigned to go. In our area there are several types of brush units we use almost all are Army surplus vehicles issued out by the forestry department. The biggest are the five tons and duce and a halfs which usually carry between 500 and 1,500 gallons, then there are pickup trucks with 200 to 300 gallon tanks, there are a few crew cab trucks with utility beds and one that I know of that looks like a large flat bed truck with a crew cab. It has a tank and compartments for equipment. There are also some smaller trucks that are from the seventies they aren't as fast as a regular truck but, they have lots of power and finally there are full size blazers used to transport manpower and equipment.
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