Thread: Unit #'s
08-07-2000, 11:19 AM #26MatthiasFirehouse.com Guest
In Germany something like this exists too. We use a code for the oranization (FF, EMS, Police), the name of the village or a station number(big cities and ems) and a code number. These code numbers are synonyms for the kind of unit. So in my hometown the first unit which is a small engine is called
"Florian (for FF)Esch (for the town) 42 (for the unit)". The emergency Ambulance of ASB rescue-Station (where i work) is called
"Sama Tanusstein(for ASB)85 (for the station) 83 (for the unit)"
Repeat in plain:
"Florian Esch 42"
"Sama Taunusstein 85/83"
08-14-2000, 09:53 AM #27J AlmonFirehouse.com Guest
All dispatch is in plain English. No codes, even for first responder dispatches.
We have 4 stations, so our units first two numbers are either 14, 21, 22 or 23. Second number is the door decal number. 11-19 are rescues, 20-27 are pumper/tankers, 28-30 brush, 31-39 ladders. If second numbers are 40, 50, 60, 70, 80 it is a captain. Lt's have "1's" as the last digit, and on down thru firefighters. Each company has a maximum of 10 people, so it works out well.
Sometimes we have a tanker from another station covering for an engine down for repair, so a member can tell quickly if the apparatus is responding from the assigned station.
08-15-2000, 07:31 PM #28ilikefyreFirehouse.com Guest
where im from (nj) we have different town numbers in the county
45- station number (differs per town)
45-66 thru 70 officers from chief down
45-72 thru 76 engines
45-90 thru 93 ladders
45-80 to 90 rescues etc.
also i prefer the codes to plain language that saves usless chatter
08-21-2000, 04:49 PM #29fighting57thFirehouse.com Guest
ours is simple for instance
then other officers are 5701,5702,5703,5704
then the firefighters#5705,5706,5707,and so on and so on
08-21-2000, 10:42 PM #30spongeFirehouse.com Guest
In Nassau County (Long Island) NY, all units are 3 or 4 digits. The first 2 ID the department, with the first being the battalion. The last digit or two are assigned by the department itself, occasionally making sense. So, you can fairly easily ID who the department is, but you might not know what type of unit it is unless you are familiar with the dept. Suffolk County is similar. Both counties use extensive radio codes.
In the Mat-Su borough of AK, first digit (or two) is the department. Combined with the next number, that's the station. The next number is usually a 1 or 2. The type of unit comes first (ie Engine 7-2-1, from station 72, Tanker 11-1-1, from station 11-1). The radio is mostly plain English. Also, many members have 2-way radios. Their callsigns are the dept name plus a number or two (based on rank/certifications).
08-22-2000, 02:16 PM #31MAN27Firehouse.com Guest
Our dept. only has 4 truck seeing how its a vol. dept. we simply just call ours pump1, pump/tank2, rescue1, rescue2. Our rescue 2 is just a "gofer" van it carries chemicle spill materials to soak up oil,gas spills. It usually does't roll unless its a structure fire or 10-84 in case a firefighter gets injured during duty, so we can transport them to the hospital if an ambulance is not readily available.
ALWAYS WEAR YOUR FULL GEAR NO MATTER WHAT KIND OF CALL IT IS!
08-23-2000, 04:30 PM #32RDWFIREFirehouse.com Guest
On your second subject, any department that uses the Incident Command System (ICS) should be using "clear text". There are NUMEROUS sets of "codes" out there, and if your department uses a different code than your mutual aid departments, chaos will be the "code" of the day. With clear text everyone responding to a large incident starts out on the same sheet of music.
08-23-2000, 09:25 PM #33firefly1361Firehouse.com Guest
In response to your second topic on Codes vs Numbers we only use codes for accidents, property damage,or pedestrians struck. When we call responding it's usually Unit _____ responding going to talk group 5 or 6 which is used for all EMS calls. So if we get a call for an accident our dispatch center will dispatch the call as a 10-50 PI(personal injury), 10-50 PD (property damage),or 10-50 PI w/ Pedestrian struck. I can't stand using codes I have to use them with the private ambulance company I work for. Take care and stay safe.
Gamber and Community Fire Company
Carroll County Co.13
"If You go, We go"
09-02-2000, 05:46 AM #34gandalf49Firehouse.com Guest
Our county numbering system is easy to use, there are 23 fire departments in the county and each fire department has a number, 1 through 23. Our department's number is 15 so the numbering system county wide is as follows:
Chief - 1501
***'t Chief - 1502
Captain - 1503
Leutenants - 1504, 1505 & 1506
Pumpers - 1511 & 1512
Tenders - 1521
Brush Trucks - 1531 & 1532
Medical Rescue - 1541 & 1542
Communication team members are identified by Com 1, Com 2, etc. EMS members are EMS 1, EMS 2, etc. Apple team members are identified by Apple 1, Apple 2, etc. Firefighters are identified by Fire 7, Fire 8, etc.
As for codes versus plain english, we went for plain english because of all of the agencies we mutual aid with in our county, Sheriff, State Police, USFS, State Forestry and county fire departments. We found that using plain english also quits confusing people as to what you are saying on the radio even though it takes more words.
Also we have tenders because out here in the West, Tankers have wings and Tenders do not..
09-02-2000, 06:00 AM #35gandalf49Firehouse.com Guest
Also when using ICS, please know the terms for what you are ordering so you get what you order. A story to get the point across.
In the 1991 Oakland Hills Fire that burned up all of those fancy homes and was the single most costly wildland fire in the US ever. Part of the problem was that when the fire getting out of control, the fire department called the California Department of Forestry and asked for Air Ops thinking they were getting an air force of slurry tankers and buckey carrying helicopters. Instead they got a guy with a briefcase wondering where all the aircraft were he was supposed to be supervising. This error resulted in a couple hour delay in getting the necessary aircraft to the fire.
Make sure that you use the right terms when requesting resources in ICS, Tankers have wings, Tenders drive on the ground, IMT teams manage fires. Each position or resource in ICS has a special name for it..
09-02-2000, 11:22 PM #36Rail BuffFirehouse.com Guest
Here in Baytown, TX, we have five stations so the units are numberd by their stations with a designation for what kind of apparatus it is.
CP (Command Post) 1
Booster (Grass Truck) 3, etc.
Administrative numbers are assigned to all personnel on a citywide system. Fire has 300 and 400 series numbers.
302-Asst. Chief (Ops.)
303-Asst. Chief (Fire Marshal)
304 & 305-Clerical personnel
306-308-Shift Battalion Chiefs
309-Haz Mat Battalion Chief
310-Training/Safety Batt. Chief
311, 312, 315-Arson Lieutenants
318 & 319-Mechanics
We've only got 63 people on shift now so we have room for expansion. Of course, an apparatus number takes precedence over an individual number.
Lt. Tim Rogers, 363
09-04-2000, 01:23 PM #37HFDPOST321Firehouse.com Guest
the city of hagerstown has a simple numbering system. our post is based in the first hagerstown hose company, engine 1. so our designation is engine 1. hagerstown has these units. engines 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5, utility 3 (housed at engine 3) truck 1 (housed at the truck house) and truck 4 (housed with engine 4) then all the batallion and fire marshall units housed at the batallion/fire marshall office. washington county has a different but easy numbering system. each fire company has a number and if that town where the company is located has a rescue company, then te number for the rescue company is the fire company number with a 9 on the end. here are a few examples. sharpsburg, engine company 1, rescue company 19. williamsport, engine company 2, rescue company 29. clear spring engine co. 4 rescue co. 49...... etc. some fire companies has no rescue company such as engine company 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 16, and 27. each fire company's number is a certain district in the county. example, engine copany 7 is district 7. lastly, each company has different units designated different ways. rescue company 79 units include, ambulances 791 and 792, unit 790, unit 794, unit 797, and utility (rescue squad) 79. the units can be either BLS or ALS with the ALS being paramedic 794 or medic 794, etc. fire company units for engine co. 7 include. unit 7-0, utility 7, rescue engine 71, engine 72, engine tanker 73, engine 74, brush 7, and car 7
Deputy Chief James Ulrich
Hagerstown Fire Department Explorer Post 321
The opinions expressed here are my own and may not be those of my department.
09-04-2000, 06:58 PM #38Thoe1Firehouse.com Guest
here ay Wright Pat Air Force Base the Vehicles are numbered bt Station.
a vehicles first number is NORMALY the station it is out of
Crash 31 Sta 3
Engine 44 Sta 4
Ladder 10 Sta 1
Pretty simple, even though it took me a few week to recognize the simplicity of it LOL
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09-04-2000, 10:42 PM #39Chief 193Firehouse.com Guest
Allegany County Maryland Officer & Apparatus # system. Company #s are 1-47 the company # is stated 1st. then the # for the apparatus or officer. Ex. Barton is Co.#19 so Eng. would be 19-11 or 19-12. Brush 19-60. Chief 19-1 Lieut. 19-6. The number is the only thing that is to be transmitted not eng. or chief.
F.D. Ambulance 70-79
Special Unit ?? 80-89 (can be anything that is not covered under the above. Ex. Pick up tk.19-80, Unit for Haz.Mat.19-80, Tac.Rescue unit 19-80 and so on.)
Under this system in olden days it worked when an eng. was just an eng. and a ladder was just a ladder. Now a days it will not work with combo. apparatus. So lets try a new system. Some of the county depts. are working under a trial system. Call the Officer or Apparatus what they are.
Officers Ex. Barton is Co.#19 so the Chief is known as "Chief 19" The Deputy Chief Is "Deputy 19" The Capt. is "Capt. 19" The Lieuts. are "Lieut. 19-A" "Lieut. 19-B" Apparatus would be, Eng.Tanker 191, Eng.Rescue 192, Brush 19. I myself think that this could be made simpler. Call the apparatus what it is and then the co.# Ex. Eng.Tanker 19 and if you have two Eng.Tankers then the second would be Eng.Tanker 191. If Barton had a Tac.Rescue then the unit would be "Tac.Rescue 19". "KEEP IT SIMPLE"...
No Codes "Keep It Simple"
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09-12-2000, 03:42 AM #40smokeeater51Firehouse.com Guest
Our department has, by far, the best code number ever...the all American classic...51
All of our apparatus is numbered the same way, 51-E3, 51-E2, 51-E1, 51-F1, 51-U1. Chief officers are 51-C1, C2, C3, and from the Capt. to the Lieut's is 51-O3, O4, O5, & O6. Well, you get the picture. As far as the ten code topic is concerned....Ten codes were origionaly constructed to protect the nature of a call that police were responding to, and it still is. For a majority of fire & EMS related departments, it's plain english. The reason for this lies behind the mutual aid agreements that departments share. One departments ten code system may differ from anothers. Therefore, plain english is the prefered choice. Actually, I don't know of any fire department that uses a ten code system. If anyone does, it would be interesting to hear about.
Lt. Mike Spinney
Rollinsford Fire & Rescue
(full time Public Safety Telecommunicator)
Okay, so I'm a spatcher'. P.S.T. sounds more official.
09-12-2000, 12:43 PM #41cweaverFirehouse.com Guest
Our county is in the process of installing new repeaters and is also changing our numbering system. Currently we have 13 stations in the county (1 Paid and 12 Vol.).
Asst. Chief Chief-12A
1st Capt. Capt-121
2nd Capt. Capt-122
This system works really well but now things are changing and will get a bit confusing.
Will still be Station 12 but all numbers will change to 2200.
Each member will have a number from 2230-2299.
Officers will have an additional number.
Asst. Chief 2201
All Trucks will stay the same.
This is to go into effect sometime this year, so really don't know how its going to work out.
09-12-2000, 04:06 PM #42jhollerFirehouse.com Guest
Our dept. is really simple...we only run city unless requested for mutual aid, so I have no Idea about county stuff. Also, we have 3 private ambulance companies in town, so fire does not run EMS. we have six stations, and the apparatus are numbered accordingly:
st1: engine 1, tower 1
st2:engine 2, truck 2
st3:engine 3, crash 3(airport response)
st4:engine 4, brush 4
st5:engine 5, squad 5(hazmat, mobile command post, heavy rescue)
st6:engine 6, brush 6
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09-12-2000, 06:16 PM #43WFD 507Firehouse.com Guest
In our city, the numbering is very simple. Only because we only have one station. The county is very similiar to ours. In the event of us being mutual aid, we are still called by our respected numbers. They are as follows:
Chief 500a; call sign 501
Deputy Chief 500b; call sign 502
Lt. 500c; call sign 509
or use your respected call sign:
501 to 509
The county is the same except for duty chief,
each number denotes a shift for duty chief and rescue captains:
DC 700, 701, 702
Rescue 800, 801, 802
Eng. 1 thru Eng. 12
Brush truck is Brush truck, no number
Ambulances are M units,
M1 thru M 12, M 24, with M1, M4, M24 at headquarters. There are 12 substations in the county.
If anybody is having trouble coming up with call numbers or call signs. Use the KISS Rule!!!!!
When they ask what it is, tell them:
That might make it easier or make somebody mad. But sometimes simple is the best way!
09-14-2000, 01:45 AM #44CTFP180Firehouse.com Guest
Boy I thought that our Company ID#s were pretty easy. We have 7 stations...
COAL TOWNSHIP FIRE DEPT.
COAL TOWNSHIP, PA
101-106 Chiefs/Fire Marshal
110 (Maine) ENG.111
120 (East End) ENG.121
130 (Uniontown) ENG.131
140 (Fairview) ENG.141 (*see below)
140 (Fairview) MICU.140, AMB.143-146
150 (Brady)ENG.151, SQUAD.152, BRUSH.153
160 (Forest Hills) ENG.161
180 (Fire Police) 180,181,182,183,184
190 (Heavy Rescue) RESCUE.193
You see I feel that our system is very easy to remember, oh by the way I'm #182.
ENJOY AND AS ALWAYS---STAY SAFE
09-14-2000, 12:26 PM #45Capt.GPRFirehouse.com Guest
There are 23 departments in Warren Co. NY. Our numbering system can be confusing at times. Our prefixes are:
1- Rescue, Brush, or Utility unit
2- Chief Officer
5- Sheriff's Dept.
6- EMS Officers
8- Medic Units
Each Department has a base #. Base #'s start from the southern end of the county and move north and do not go in alphabetical order. My department ( South Queensbury ) starts with 05, and we can use up to 09. The next department ( West Glens Falls ) is 10.
So, our units go this this:
Car 205, Car 206, Car 207, Car 208, Car 209
Engine 307, Engine 308
Rescue 106, Brush 108
ACR-1 ( This unit is our Air Crash Rescue and is a specialized unit. It was assigned a # that does not conform to the normal county System )
09-14-2000, 07:05 PM #46Letona_Fire_26Firehouse.com Guest
On my Dept. We have this.
Engine 1 1952 front-mounted pumper
Engine 2 1981 FMC-Spartan Midship
Engine 3 1981 FMC-Spartan Midship
Reserve Engine 1957 Howe Midship
Tanker 1974 Ford
Brush Engine 1987 Chevy 4 WD 1 ton.
09-15-2000, 11:41 PM #47ednicFirehouse.com Guest
In my district we number truck agreement of the department in our area, that is the LOMMA. We have a three digit coding system. The first number is the department. The second number is the station the unit is responding from. The third number is the type of unit it is.
The type of unit is 1 are midipumpers 2 are front line pumpers. 3 are tanker with up to 1500 gal. of water, 4 are tankers from 1500 to 2000 gals. of water, 5 are tankers with over 2000 gals. of water. 6s are brush trucks, 7s are ladders, 8s are rescue trucks, and 9s are special units (fire boats or foam trucks). For example 122,1 is our department, 2 is station 2 and 2 show that is a front line pumper.
09-16-2000, 12:34 PM #48MetalMedicFirehouse.com Guest
We are fortunate to have a 4x4 township square county. The numbering for each DEPARTMENT starts with "10" in the upper right, goes down the east side of the county in increments of 10 and then moves up to the next top township and continues from there.
The numbering is based from there, for instance, my department is assigned "60", so our apparatus is 61, 62, 63, etc. Our officers are 601 (Chief), 602 (Asst. Chief), 603, 604, etc.
The "wise men" who developed this years ago also had a desire for the numbers of apparatus to go with the vehicle type...
1 = Grass Unit
2 = Tanker
3 = Support Vehicle
4 = Rescue Squad
5 = Rescue Squad
6 = Ladder
7 = Engine
8 = Engine
9 = Engine
That way, mutual aid departments coule know that when Truck #67 from Orrville was coming in, it would be an Engine and when #62 showed up, it would be a tanker. Unfortunately, as equipment got added and replaced, everyone took to first available number so they don't match this scheme...
Orrville (OH) Fire Dept.
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09-20-2000, 12:34 PM #49East Haddam#1firefighterFirehouse.com Guest
In Connecticut each town has a different numerical or letter name. In middlesex county the numbers goes from 3 through 17. Towns closer to the shoreline have lower numbers, and the further you go north in the county the higher the number. East Haddam has a number of 15 and our surrounding neighbors are very close to our number. Haddam Neck is 16. East Hampton is 12 and so on.
We name our trucks as follows:
15-4-A/B is the ambulance's
Officer listing goes as follows:
Deputy Chief: 15-1
Lt's: 15-6 through ?
Deputy Fire Marshal: FM-15-1
East Haddam F.D.
East Haddam Connecticut
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09-20-2000, 05:00 PM #50cmjonesFirehouse.com Guest
At Buffalo-Mt. Pisgah Fire Dept in Kershaw, SC we use station (Sta. 22) number followed by unit number
Then the members..
and so on...
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