Thread: Unit #'s

  1. #26
    Matthias
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    In Germany something like this exists too. We use a code for the oranization (FF, EMS, Police), the name of the village or a station number(big cities and ems) and a code number. These code numbers are synonyms for the kind of unit. So in my hometown the first unit which is a small engine is called
    "Florian (for FF)Esch (for the town) 42 (for the unit)". The emergency Ambulance of ASB rescue-Station (where i work) is called
    "Sama Tanusstein(for ASB)85 (for the station) 83 (for the unit)"
    Repeat in plain:
    "Florian Esch 42"
    "Sama Taunusstein 85/83"

  2. #27
    J Almon
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    All dispatch is in plain English. No codes, even for first responder dispatches.

    We have 4 stations, so our units first two numbers are either 14, 21, 22 or 23. Second number is the door decal number. 11-19 are rescues, 20-27 are pumper/tankers, 28-30 brush, 31-39 ladders. If second numbers are 40, 50, 60, 70, 80 it is a captain. Lt's have "1's" as the last digit, and on down thru firefighters. Each company has a maximum of 10 people, so it works out well.
    Sometimes we have a tanker from another station covering for an engine down for repair, so a member can tell quickly if the apparatus is responding from the assigned station.

  3. #28
    ilikefyre
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    where im from (nj) we have different town numbers in the county

    45- station number (differs per town)
    45-66 thru 70 officers from chief down
    45-72 thru 76 engines
    45-90 thru 93 ladders
    45-80 to 90 rescues etc.

    also i prefer the codes to plain language that saves usless chatter

  4. #29
    fighting57th
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    ours is simple for instance
    chief--570
    asst.chief--571
    pumper--573
    pumpertanker--574
    aux tanker/brushtruck--576
    brushtruck--577
    haz-matvan--578
    equipmenttruck--579
    then other officers are 5701,5702,5703,5704
    then the firefighters#5705,5706,5707,and so on and so on

  5. #30
    sponge
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    In Nassau County (Long Island) NY, all units are 3 or 4 digits. The first 2 ID the department, with the first being the battalion. The last digit or two are assigned by the department itself, occasionally making sense. So, you can fairly easily ID who the department is, but you might not know what type of unit it is unless you are familiar with the dept. Suffolk County is similar. Both counties use extensive radio codes.

    In the Mat-Su borough of AK, first digit (or two) is the department. Combined with the next number, that's the station. The next number is usually a 1 or 2. The type of unit comes first (ie Engine 7-2-1, from station 72, Tanker 11-1-1, from station 11-1). The radio is mostly plain English. Also, many members have 2-way radios. Their callsigns are the dept name plus a number or two (based on rank/certifications).

  6. #31
    MAN27
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    Our dept. only has 4 truck seeing how its a vol. dept. we simply just call ours pump1, pump/tank2, rescue1, rescue2. Our rescue 2 is just a "gofer" van it carries chemicle spill materials to soak up oil,gas spills. It usually does't roll unless its a structure fire or 10-84 in case a firefighter gets injured during duty, so we can transport them to the hospital if an ambulance is not readily available.


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  7. #32
    RDWFIRE
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    On your second subject, any department that uses the Incident Command System (ICS) should be using "clear text". There are NUMEROUS sets of "codes" out there, and if your department uses a different code than your mutual aid departments, chaos will be the "code" of the day. With clear text everyone responding to a large incident starts out on the same sheet of music.

  8. #33
    firefly1361
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    In response to your second topic on Codes vs Numbers we only use codes for accidents, property damage,or pedestrians struck. When we call responding it's usually Unit _____ responding going to talk group 5 or 6 which is used for all EMS calls. So if we get a call for an accident our dispatch center will dispatch the call as a 10-50 PI(personal injury), 10-50 PD (property damage),or 10-50 PI w/ Pedestrian struck. I can't stand using codes I have to use them with the private ambulance company I work for. Take care and stay safe.

    Heather Helm
    Gamber and Community Fire Company
    Carroll County Co.13
    Gamber,Maryland

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  9. #34
    gandalf49
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    Our county numbering system is easy to use, there are 23 fire departments in the county and each fire department has a number, 1 through 23. Our department's number is 15 so the numbering system county wide is as follows:

    Chief - 1501
    ***'t Chief - 1502
    Captain - 1503
    Leutenants - 1504, 1505 & 1506
    Pumpers - 1511 & 1512
    Tenders - 1521
    Brush Trucks - 1531 & 1532
    Medical Rescue - 1541 & 1542

    Communication team members are identified by Com 1, Com 2, etc. EMS members are EMS 1, EMS 2, etc. Apple team members are identified by Apple 1, Apple 2, etc. Firefighters are identified by Fire 7, Fire 8, etc.

    As for codes versus plain english, we went for plain english because of all of the agencies we mutual aid with in our county, Sheriff, State Police, USFS, State Forestry and county fire departments. We found that using plain english also quits confusing people as to what you are saying on the radio even though it takes more words.

    Also we have tenders because out here in the West, Tankers have wings and Tenders do not..

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  10. #35
    gandalf49
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    Also when using ICS, please know the terms for what you are ordering so you get what you order. A story to get the point across.

    In the 1991 Oakland Hills Fire that burned up all of those fancy homes and was the single most costly wildland fire in the US ever. Part of the problem was that when the fire getting out of control, the fire department called the California Department of Forestry and asked for Air Ops thinking they were getting an air force of slurry tankers and buckey carrying helicopters. Instead they got a guy with a briefcase wondering where all the aircraft were he was supposed to be supervising. This error resulted in a couple hour delay in getting the necessary aircraft to the fire.

    Make sure that you use the right terms when requesting resources in ICS, Tankers have wings, Tenders drive on the ground, IMT teams manage fires. Each position or resource in ICS has a special name for it..


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  11. #36
    Rail Buff
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    Great topic!

    Here in Baytown, TX, we have five stations so the units are numberd by their stations with a designation for what kind of apparatus it is.

    Ladder 1
    Battalion 1
    CP (Command Post) 1
    Engine 2
    Reserve 2
    Engine 3
    Reserve 3
    Booster (Grass Truck) 3, etc.

    Administrative numbers are assigned to all personnel on a citywide system. Fire has 300 and 400 series numbers.

    301-Fire Chief
    302-Asst. Chief (Ops.)
    303-Asst. Chief (Fire Marshal)
    304 & 305-Clerical personnel
    306-308-Shift Battalion Chiefs
    309-Haz Mat Battalion Chief
    310-Training/Safety Batt. Chief
    311, 312, 315-Arson Lieutenants
    318 & 319-Mechanics
    350-370-Shift Lieutenants
    370-400-Equipment Operators
    400-500-Firefighters

    We've only got 63 people on shift now so we have room for expansion. Of course, an apparatus number takes precedence over an individual number.

    Lt. Tim Rogers, 363

  12. #37
    HFDPOST321
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    the city of hagerstown has a simple numbering system. our post is based in the first hagerstown hose company, engine 1. so our designation is engine 1. hagerstown has these units. engines 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5, utility 3 (housed at engine 3) truck 1 (housed at the truck house) and truck 4 (housed with engine 4) then all the batallion and fire marshall units housed at the batallion/fire marshall office. washington county has a different but easy numbering system. each fire company has a number and if that town where the company is located has a rescue company, then te number for the rescue company is the fire company number with a 9 on the end. here are a few examples. sharpsburg, engine company 1, rescue company 19. williamsport, engine company 2, rescue company 29. clear spring engine co. 4 rescue co. 49...... etc. some fire companies has no rescue company such as engine company 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 16, and 27. each fire company's number is a certain district in the county. example, engine copany 7 is district 7. lastly, each company has different units designated different ways. rescue company 79 units include, ambulances 791 and 792, unit 790, unit 794, unit 797, and utility (rescue squad) 79. the units can be either BLS or ALS with the ALS being paramedic 794 or medic 794, etc. fire company units for engine co. 7 include. unit 7-0, utility 7, rescue engine 71, engine 72, engine tanker 73, engine 74, brush 7, and car 7

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    Hagerstown Fire Department Explorer Post 321

    The opinions expressed here are my own and may not be those of my department.

  13. #38
    Thoe1
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    here ay Wright Pat Air Force Base the Vehicles are numbered bt Station.
    a vehicles first number is NORMALY the station it is out of


    ex
    Crash 31 Sta 3
    Engine 44 Sta 4
    Ladder 10 Sta 1

    Pretty simple, even though it took me a few week to recognize the simplicity of it LOL

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  14. #39
    Chief 193
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    Allegany County Maryland Officer & Apparatus # system. Company #s are 1-47 the company # is stated 1st. then the # for the apparatus or officer. Ex. Barton is Co.#19 so Eng. would be 19-11 or 19-12. Brush 19-60. Chief 19-1 Lieut. 19-6. The number is the only thing that is to be transmitted not eng. or chief.
    Officers 1-9
    Eng. 11-19
    Tanker 20-29
    Equip./utility 30-39
    Squad/Rescue 40-49
    Ladder/Tower 50-59
    Brush 60-69
    F.D. Ambulance 70-79
    Special Unit ?? 80-89 (can be anything that is not covered under the above. Ex. Pick up tk.19-80, Unit for Haz.Mat.19-80, Tac.Rescue unit 19-80 and so on.)
    Under this system in olden days it worked when an eng. was just an eng. and a ladder was just a ladder. Now a days it will not work with combo. apparatus. So lets try a new system. Some of the county depts. are working under a trial system. Call the Officer or Apparatus what they are.
    Officers Ex. Barton is Co.#19 so the Chief is known as "Chief 19" The Deputy Chief Is "Deputy 19" The Capt. is "Capt. 19" The Lieuts. are "Lieut. 19-A" "Lieut. 19-B" Apparatus would be, Eng.Tanker 191, Eng.Rescue 192, Brush 19. I myself think that this could be made simpler. Call the apparatus what it is and then the co.# Ex. Eng.Tanker 19 and if you have two Eng.Tankers then the second would be Eng.Tanker 191. If Barton had a Tac.Rescue then the unit would be "Tac.Rescue 19". "KEEP IT SIMPLE"...

    No Codes "Keep It Simple"

    [This message has been edited by Chief 193 (edited September 04, 2000).]

  15. #40
    smokeeater51
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    Our department has, by far, the best code number ever...the all American classic...51
    All of our apparatus is numbered the same way, 51-E3, 51-E2, 51-E1, 51-F1, 51-U1. Chief officers are 51-C1, C2, C3, and from the Capt. to the Lieut's is 51-O3, O4, O5, & O6. Well, you get the picture. As far as the ten code topic is concerned....Ten codes were origionaly constructed to protect the nature of a call that police were responding to, and it still is. For a majority of fire & EMS related departments, it's plain english. The reason for this lies behind the mutual aid agreements that departments share. One departments ten code system may differ from anothers. Therefore, plain english is the prefered choice. Actually, I don't know of any fire department that uses a ten code system. If anyone does, it would be interesting to hear about.

    Lt. Mike Spinney
    Rollinsford Fire & Rescue
    (full time Public Safety Telecommunicator)
    Okay, so I'm a spatcher'. P.S.T. sounds more official.

  16. #41
    cweaver
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    Our county is in the process of installing new repeaters and is also changing our numbering system. Currently we have 13 stations in the county (1 Paid and 12 Vol.).
    Example:
    Station 12
    Officers:
    Chief------ Chief-12
    Asst. Chief Chief-12A
    1st Capt. Capt-121
    2nd Capt. Capt-122
    Trucks:
    Engine 121
    Engine 122
    Tanker 121
    Tanker 122
    Squad 121
    Brush 121

    This system works really well but now things are changing and will get a bit confusing.

    Will still be Station 12 but all numbers will change to 2200.
    Each member will have a number from 2230-2299.
    Officers will have an additional number.
    Chief------- 2200
    Asst. Chief 2201
    Captain 2202
    Captain 2203

    All Trucks will stay the same.

    This is to go into effect sometime this year, so really don't know how its going to work out.



  17. #42
    jholler
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    Our dept. is really simple...we only run city unless requested for mutual aid, so I have no Idea about county stuff. Also, we have 3 private ambulance companies in town, so fire does not run EMS. we have six stations, and the apparatus are numbered accordingly:
    st1: engine 1, tower 1
    st2:engine 2, truck 2
    st3:engine 3, crash 3(airport response)
    st4:engine 4, brush 4
    st5:engine 5, squad 5(hazmat, mobile command post, heavy rescue)
    st6:engine 6, brush 6
    chief:c1
    asst. chief:c2
    training/safety officer:c3
    fire marshal:c4
    shift capt:c5
    utility p/up:c6
    K-9 arson investigator:c9
    K.I.S.S.!

  18. #43
    WFD 507
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    In our city, the numbering is very simple. Only because we only have one station. The county is very similiar to ours. In the event of us being mutual aid, we are still called by our respected numbers. They are as follows:


    Chief 500a; call sign 501
    Deputy Chief 500b; call sign 502
    Lt. 500c; call sign 509
    Eng. 1
    Eng. 2
    Eng. 4
    Eng. 5
    or use your respected call sign:
    501 to 509

    The county is the same except for duty chief,
    each number denotes a shift for duty chief and rescue captains:

    DC 700, 701, 702
    Rescue 800, 801, 802
    Eng. 1 thru Eng. 12
    Brush truck is Brush truck, no number
    Ambulances are M units,
    M1 thru M 12, M 24, with M1, M4, M24 at headquarters. There are 12 substations in the county.

    If anybody is having trouble coming up with call numbers or call signs. Use the KISS Rule!!!!!

    When they ask what it is, tell them:

    Keep
    It
    Simple
    Stupid

    That might make it easier or make somebody mad. But sometimes simple is the best way!


  19. #44
    CTFP180
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    Boy I thought that our Company ID#s were pretty easy. We have 7 stations...

    COAL TOWNSHIP FIRE DEPT.
    COAL TOWNSHIP, PA

    station# unit#
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    101-106 Chiefs/Fire Marshal
    110 (Maine) ENG.111
    120 (East End) ENG.121
    130 (Uniontown) ENG.131
    140 (Fairview) ENG.141 (*see below)
    140 (Fairview) MICU.140, AMB.143-146
    150 (Brady)ENG.151, SQUAD.152, BRUSH.153
    160 (Forest Hills) ENG.161
    180 (Fire Police) 180,181,182,183,184
    190 (Heavy Rescue) RESCUE.193

    You see I feel that our system is very easy to remember, oh by the way I'm #182.

    ENJOY AND AS ALWAYS---STAY SAFE


  20. #45
    Capt.GPR
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    There are 23 departments in Warren Co. NY. Our numbering system can be confusing at times. Our prefixes are:
    1- Rescue, Brush, or Utility unit
    2- Chief Officer
    3- Engine
    4- Tanker
    5- Sheriff's Dept.
    6- EMS Officers
    7- Ambulances
    8- Medic Units
    Each Department has a base #. Base #'s start from the southern end of the county and move north and do not go in alphabetical order. My department ( South Queensbury ) starts with 05, and we can use up to 09. The next department ( West Glens Falls ) is 10.
    So, our units go this this:
    Car 205, Car 206, Car 207, Car 208, Car 209
    Engine 307, Engine 308
    Rescue 106, Brush 108
    ACR-1 ( This unit is our Air Crash Rescue and is a specialized unit. It was assigned a # that does not conform to the normal county System )

  21. #46
    Letona_Fire_26
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    Cool

    On my Dept. We have this.

    Engine 1 1952 front-mounted pumper

    Engine 2 1981 FMC-Spartan Midship

    Engine 3 1981 FMC-Spartan Midship

    Reserve Engine 1957 Howe Midship

    Tanker 1974 Ford

    Brush Engine 1987 Chevy 4 WD 1 ton.

  22. #47
    ednic
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    In my district we number truck agreement of the department in our area, that is the LOMMA. We have a three digit coding system. The first number is the department. The second number is the station the unit is responding from. The third number is the type of unit it is.
    The type of unit is 1 are midipumpers 2 are front line pumpers. 3 are tanker with up to 1500 gal. of water, 4 are tankers from 1500 to 2000 gals. of water, 5 are tankers with over 2000 gals. of water. 6s are brush trucks, 7s are ladders, 8s are rescue trucks, and 9s are special units (fire boats or foam trucks). For example 122,1 is our department, 2 is station 2 and 2 show that is a front line pumper.

  23. #48
    MetalMedic
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    We are fortunate to have a 4x4 township square county. The numbering for each DEPARTMENT starts with "10" in the upper right, goes down the east side of the county in increments of 10 and then moves up to the next top township and continues from there.

    The numbering is based from there, for instance, my department is assigned "60", so our apparatus is 61, 62, 63, etc. Our officers are 601 (Chief), 602 (Asst. Chief), 603, 604, etc.

    The "wise men" who developed this years ago also had a desire for the numbers of apparatus to go with the vehicle type...
    1 = Grass Unit
    2 = Tanker
    3 = Support Vehicle
    4 = Rescue Squad
    5 = Rescue Squad
    6 = Ladder
    7 = Engine
    8 = Engine
    9 = Engine

    That way, mutual aid departments coule know that when Truck #67 from Orrville was coming in, it would be an Engine and when #62 showed up, it would be a tanker. Unfortunately, as equipment got added and replaced, everyone took to first available number so they don't match this scheme...

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  24. #49
    East Haddam#1firefighter
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    In Connecticut each town has a different numerical or letter name. In middlesex county the numbers goes from 3 through 17. Towns closer to the shoreline have lower numbers, and the further you go north in the county the higher the number. East Haddam has a number of 15 and our surrounding neighbors are very close to our number. Haddam Neck is 16. East Hampton is 12 and so on.

    We name our trucks as follows:
    Brush 15
    Rescue 1-15
    Engine 1-15
    Engine 2-15
    Tanker 3-15
    15-4-A/B is the ambulance's
    Tanker 5-15
    Engine 6-15
    Service 7-15
    Engine 8-15
    Service 9-15

    Officer listing goes as follows:
    Chief: 10-15
    Deputy Chief: 15-1
    Captain: 15-2
    Captain: 15-3
    Captain: 15-5
    Lt's: 15-6 through ?
    Deputy Fire Marshal: FM-15-1

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    East Haddam F.D.
    East Haddam Connecticut

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  25. #50
    cmjones
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    At Buffalo-Mt. Pisgah Fire Dept in Kershaw, SC we use station (Sta. 22) number followed by unit number

    example
    2201-Engine
    2202-Engine
    2204-Tanker
    2206-Brush
    2207-Brush
    2208-Van

    Then the members..
    2210-Chief
    2211-Asst. Chief
    2212-Capt.
    and so on...

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