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    Exclamation CONSOLIDATION????? IS IT THE BEST THING???

    I am with a small city department and we were told about a week ago that we may be consolidating with the larger county department.<br />We are only trained as firefighters, while the county is cross trained as emt/ff.<br />Some of us here do not wish to be an emt, but if the city council decides to do away with us, we would be offered a job with the county and have to pass National Registry.<br />What I am getting at is, is there anything that we can do to show the city council members that we are needed for the city and that consolidation is a bad idea.<br />I have only been here going on 4yrs. and every year our call volume has gone up.<br />Our chief is trying to get ISO to come in an re-grade us, possibly moving us from an ISO rating of 5 to a 4. Which should help lower the insurance premium on property within the city.<br />The only thing that is hurting us on that rating is possibly man power. We only have 2 men on shift and only a handful of vols.<br />Any suggestions would be appreciated and possibly tried. <br />Thanks in advance. <img src="confused.gif" border="0">


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    Whichever way you go WFD, good luck to you. However I hope you'll go for the EMS training. If you're not already an EMT or 1st Responder, you need to be. EMS runs far outnumber fire runs no matter where you go. In rural areas, the limited manpower would better serve the public if it were cross trained in both fire & ems. In urban areas, the public is better served by the PD and FD doing 1st responder runs since EMS is usually over burdened already.

    Again, good luck. Remember don't allow the ignorance of the administrators to negatively effect your livlihood. If they haven't "been there" and done your job then they need to be informed of the needs of your dept and personnel.

    Keep us posted on the outcome!

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    Sounds like you need to consider the needs of the community too. Will they benefit by being absorbed into a larger system? If they provide 1st responder or ALS engines, then the public will benefit significantly. The national trend is for firefighters to run EMS, even if we don't transport. Look at the benefit to you. If you become an EMT, you make yourself more marketable for jobs with other departments. Also, more runs usually mean more staffing. (usually) I'm not familiar with your system, but consolidation may be the ticket.

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    WFD! If the city council is that narrow minded to think that consolidating with the county is a good idea then they are wrong. First start a drive to get more volunteers, then start a first responder program and final show them your calls for the last three years, if there is a rise in calls that might sway the decision. In my county those who have consolidated their responsetimes are slower because the information is not correct. Also they sent into other districts that they are not familiar with. SO FIGHT IT YOUR COMMUNITY DEPENDS ON YOU! <img src="eek.gif" border="0">

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    Put the needs of the community ahead of the need of the members. My dept. went through a consolidation/hostile takeover (depending on who you ask) 15 years ago. It did create some hard feeling of the members for a while, but in time they'll get over it. EMS in a smaller dept. is a must. Run numbers create need, need creates jobs, jobs create a more efficient (hopefully) and more adequate dept. to cover your community. The dept. I work for isn't huge by any standards, but we run a respectable 4,500 to 5,000 calls a year and ems is a huge part of it. Make your dept. and your members as efficient as you can. consolidated or not, run ems, serve your community, and do what is best with the money that your taxpayers give you.

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    I have been a paramedic since I was nineteen and my father works for fdny. I neve had a problem with ems but, he did and he completed the cfr-d and in the end it all worked out except it increased his work load dramatically. It is the right thing to do though because you can help the most people being an emt/ff. I would love to a firefighter AND paramedic. It just takes some time getting used to! I hope this puts your conflicts at ease!<a href="http://homepage.mac.com/superich" target="_blank">My personal fire videos page</a>

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    You have to look at the big picture here.

    Consolidation with a larger department would mean more staffing for your community. With only two men on a shift (I am guessing that your FD has 3 shifts and works a 56 hour week) and a handful of volunteers, is your city really committed to <br />protect it's citizens? Consolidation with the county would give you more personnel to adequately investigate and mitigate any incident you would come across.

    There would be more opportunities for advancement in a larger fire department.

    There would be a better fire prevention/inspection program and public fire education in a larger department.

    On the career side, the pay would probably be a lot better!

    There would be a better pool of resources in case of multiple incidents and/or major disasters.

    <br />EMS is a major part of the fire service today. There are many firefighters who loathe doing EMS runs, but it does keep the fire department in the limelight. Everytime a fire truck arrives at a medical emergency, it gives good PR to the department. Early intervention in life threatening emergencies saves lives! Another benefit of FD based EMS is the knowledge that you can help your own brothers and sisters at a scene instead of having to wait for an ambulance to arrive.

    I see positives here.
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    "moving us from an ISO rating of 5 to a 4....The only thing that is hurting us on that rating is possibly man power."

    Manpower is not the only thing hurting your grade! At best you have scored 59.99 percent to be a class 5 - at worst you have scored 50 percent. Manpower is worth 15 percent - so you have another 25.01 - 35 percent out there for improvement.

    Buck
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    Please review the needs of your community. We are in the process of a consolidation and it is going to improve service and it is going to provide a better career path for our personnel. As for EMS training, my guess is that the majority of the calls in your community are EMS calls, and not fires. Being an EMT will make you a much more valuable public safety official for your community. Further, you will become a more marketable firefighter.

    Make a list and review all the pros and cons. However, look beyond today. Look at the list as is relates to the next 5, 10, 15 and 20 years. Determine whether this consolidation will be better for the long run or worse. Search your sole deep and hard regarding this matter. Finally, make sure you review the reasons that people are proposing for consolidation, because they may be looking at it much differently than you are.

    Whichever way it goes, good luck.
    Robert W. Seltzer
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