1. #51
    Engine 101
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    Originally posted by JMiller02:

    I agree with you that staying in school is the best thing. You cant go anywhere in life with out high school degree, if not a college degree. I believe for those who are going into a college field other than FF. Stay in school. But if you want to go into
    FF proffesonaly, then high school should enroll you in a Job site type thing, where you spend a class period at a fire station and earn high school credit. OTherwise if your a junior and a vollie. stay in school.

    Quick question....How can you have a friend phony page u over county fire dispatch on a minitor?....Most depts use voice minitors.
    Just curious if your dept uses alpha-numeric.

    Jeremy
    Truxton Vol. FD

    My department is not a volunteer Fire department none of our members except the Fire Chief have pagers that are FD issued, The explorers are not issued department pagers either, I have a friend who is an Explorer with a Vollie FD all there members have voice pagers but NOT the explorers, He has a regular numeric pager, I have gone to a few calls when I am not on duty but that's only because they're a few blocks away from where I live, How do I found out, If I hear there sirens then I'll go, But I think that explorers should not even be allowed to have any type of pager or minitor, Your an Explorer not a Firefighter

  2. #52
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    I think junior firefighters should be allowed to leave school. You can always go back and get the missed notes and assingments but they guys at the fire need someone there to be doing stuff for them. If there were no juniors at a fire, you would have to sacrafice some fire 1 certified ff's on work outside. You need as many men as possible.

  3. #53
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    As I read the different posts it is pretty evident which juniors leave for calls. Some of the spelling and grammer is amazing. Please stay in school, as an "old timer" I am counting on you young people.

  4. #54
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    I probably answered this before, but I'll answer it again...

    >> Hey I was just wondering if you think it is a good thing if high school students were able to leave school to answer a call such as a MVA, structure fire, auto fire or heavy rescue call.

    No. Absolutely not. Nope. No way. Negative. Not for any kind of call. No exceptions.

    You've got about 45 more years to fight fires, but you only get one real shot at getting your education. What you do while you're in school will define your possibilities for the rest of your life.

    Clear enough?


    >> I know in my school alone there are over 20 students who are vollie firefighters. We probably could staff several eng's by or selfs only needing some one over 21 to drive. I wana know what you guys think is it a good idea or not?

    But, unless the law on Juniors where you are is very different from Pennsylvania's, you can't possibly staff engines by yourselves. PA restrictions prohibit anyone under 18 from entering a burning building, operating pumps, aerials, or power equipment, and a host of other activities (at least, apart from training evolutions). If your restrictions are anything like PA's, what could you and your crew of Juniors really do?

    The whole idea behind Junior firefighter programs should be to let young people spend some time learning the basics and getting interested so that they are better prepared to hit the ground running when they become adults (at age 18). If your department can't cover its responses without putting Juniors on the front line, it's time to either recruit like crazy, get some mutual aid going, or start talking about getting minimal paid staffing set up for the daytime.


  5. #55
    SFDAJL
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    As a junior myself, I strongly believe that students shouldn't be allowed to answer calls during school. Unless your like 18 and a senior, which in my dept. would make you a regular member, and responding only to something major like a working structure or a exrication. Though Juniors shouldn't, we're not of that much importance to warrant to miss learning things.

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  6. #56
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    So, here's my question.

    You claim that Explorering should only be there for teens to learn and observe, before 'Hitting the ground running (as adults ag 18)' . Or something to that affect.

    So, the moment everyone here turns 18, we're all set for life!

    Please, that's like drinking laws. As if, somehow, magically, I'm smarter and more responsible on my 21st birthday, but not the day before.

    I know a lot of Junior's I'd much rather ride in the rig with under code, then some seniors.

  7. #57
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    I believe you should stay in school. You can catch calls all summer long, after school, weekends, days off. Why do u want to go to calls and risk missing a quiz or missing notes, maybe the day u missed there could be a test on and you could fail. I don't think calls are worth missing school for. there's enough time after school to catch calls. You have to realize that 20 years down the road when you haven't fraduated high school because u missed and failed classes, you might not be interested in the fire department anymore. High school is important for the rest of your life. I personally would like to catch calls, but, if you can't operate pumpers, hurst tools, ariels, etc why would you go to a call?

    Just think about it.

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    As an explorer I know I would love to leave for a big call. But we are not allowed to leave for the most part. the explorers are a big help to the firefighters but we need to stay at school. I would not mind missing a MVA because I know there will be others to go on and that is the same for fires. The ONLY reason any of our explorers are allowed to leave is if it is a HUGE fire and it is a industry building and they have call a lots of other departments to help, then they call and get us out of school. I know I have missed many house fire that the house burned down during school or on school night. but we just have to remember that we have a lot of time to catch other fires.

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    As a former Junior FF and now a Firefighter-EMT, I strongly agree that juniors/eplorers SHOULD NOT leave school. I know the pains of going to practice on Tues nights when I was a junior and hearing about some of the calls and getting PO'd that I couldn't leave. But now as I look back, I'm glad I wasn't allowed. It let me concentrate on my studies and get classes that I needed to go for Fire Op's and esepcially EMT..You think Biology, Chemistryand Physics are joke classes...Wait until you take your EMT basic, Intermediate or Medic. All those classes are a big part of it. As for leaving school, there wasn't awhole lot I coudl do until I was 18...In the Commonwealth of Massachusettes,along with quite a few states I would imagine, you have to be 18 to even touch a charged line or go anywhere near a burning building. It gets me frustrated almost to the point of leaving a scene, when I see juniors from out of state depts (I live right on 2 state borders) climbing ladders with 2 1/2" and they obviously do not know what they are doing. I was at one structure when the out of state dept had 5 juniors on a ladder with a 2 1/2. they were the only company on that side..everyone else was attacking from he opposite side...they almost got blown off the ladder when the line was charged,and again when the other co's were doing an aggressive attack from the opposite. Needless to say, that engine company was asked to leave the scene if the dept could not produce "full fledged" ffs
    Well, I think I've rambled on enough...

  10. #60
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    I first joined my Fire Dept. when I was fifteen years old. In a rural area we never have to worry about lawsuits to the extreme that other areas do. Having Junior Firefighters was greatly supported by the Teachers and Administration in our school. They always allowed us to leave because who knew, maybe it was one of their houses on fire. During the day there is not always that many older FD members as many have jobs in other towns and so on. So when there was a fire during the day there might not be such a great number of responders. But at least with the Junior FF's in school, there was at least an assurance of at least a couple of engine companies. On some occasions I even had to drive trucks to the scene because of a lack of older member. So I feel that allowing Junior FF's to respond out of school is a good idea. What I learned by being a FF will help me out more in life than what I learned in school.

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    No not even if your a High School Senior you should you NOT be allowed to leave, What if you get a call and miss a test that you must pass or you don't graduate and there's no make up exam? Which is more important to you running out of call to do nothing but support duties at a fire scene or staying in school and getting your diploma, Plus out here my city has a truancy ordinance that if you get caught wondering about the streets of Monrovia during 7AM and 1PM on a school day, You get a nice little ticket, A hefty little fine and you and your parents get to pay a visit Juvenille Traffic Court and tell the Judge why you were not in school,

    STAY IN SCHOOL, LET THE REAL FIREFIGHTERS DEAL WITH THAT MVA,STRUCTURE FIRE OR WHATEVER IT is
    If I was a Chief taking over an FD that had explorers and found out they had department issued pagers I would have them hand them in and say you can ride with us on weekends, School Inservice days and during the summer, I will not permit you to leave school to respond to any type of incident, And if I here you did leave school your off the post and you are also if you do respond to a call from home in your personal vehicle you shall obey all traffic laws
    Here's a good idea sit down with your school administartos tell them your with your local Fire Department you could form some kind of school response team, In the event of some kind of disaster and the FD can't make it you guys can be called upon by school adminsitartion to help out till the REAL Firefighter's get there, A heck of alot better then wasting your breath trying to get out of school

    [This message has been edited by Engine 101 (edited 04-19-2001).]

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    Originally posted by Les_Jesper:
    I first joined my Fire Dept. when I was fifteen years old. In a rural area we never have to worry about lawsuits to the extreme that other areas do. Having Junior Firefighters was greatly supported by the Teachers and Administration in our school. They always allowed us to leave because who knew, maybe it was one of their houses on fire. During the day there is not always that many older FD members as many have jobs in other towns and so on. So when there was a fire during the day there might not be such a great number of responders. But at least with the Junior FF's in school, there was at least an assurance of at least a couple of engine companies. On some occasions I even had to drive trucks to the scene because of a lack of older member. So I feel that allowing Junior FF's to respond out of school is a good idea. What I learned by being a FF will help me out more in life than what I learned in school.
    You have got to be kidding me --- Leave School and drive the equipment ? All liabilities aside if your department got caught it could be shut down --- these laws are not local they are federal ment to protect those under 21 and those over 21 -- Under the age of 18 you can not enter a burning structure, drive fire equipment, or perform any duty on the fire/rescue ground that could warrant injury ---- rural department or not thats dangerous --- I Understand your department may be in a rural area and not alot of people around during the day but call in as many companies as it takes to accomplish the job. Your Chief has no idea what he is opening himself up for -- Junior Firefighters, Although I Have the highest amount of respect for you guys and girls DO NOT MAKE UP AN ENGINE, LADDER, OR RESCUE COMPANY. PERIOD Stay in School PLEASE

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    Fire Explorers are NOT FIREFIGHTERS, If the members of the volunteer FD in town can't leave work maybe they should sit down and work out an agreement with there employer or just have a Mutual Aide company come and handle it

    If I were a Chief there's no way in hell I would ever allow any Non Firefighter to drive any of my rigs, NEVER, I would NEVER allow any Non Firefighter to go into a burning structure,

    EXPLORERS ARE NOT FIREFIGHTERS, Explorers are Junior members who are there to learn about Firefighting and explorer an intrest they have, When you become a Firefighter than you can drive the rigs all you want, This is so silly asking should explorers be allowed to leave school, NO, NO , NO, NO

    Remember No GED or No HS Diploma, You can't become a Smokeater

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    I started out in this business 6 years ago as an explorer, and believe me I wanted to go to the big one. Our high school was right beside the firehouse, so dag on it every time those trucks went out, I heard it.

    I think its totally ridiculous to leave school to take runs. Somebody posted that every scene needs as many people as possible and a lack of explorers on scene ties up certified firefighters doing other things. Perhaps the laws in this persons state are more lax than mine, but explorers aren't allowed in a dangerous atmosphere, so cert. firefighters still need to be doing exterior operations, besides, its their job.

    As for another post about being needed to fill a seat on a fire truck, EXPLORERS ARE ___NOT___ manpower, and a truck that is 'manned' with explorers is not a truck that should be leaving the station.

    Now I'm not ball busting, explorers/jrs/riders are fabulous to have on the scene to help hump hose, shuttle packs, etc, but think about this - if you are missing school to go fight fire, sure you have the fireground experience, but how are you gunna pass the extrance exam to get hired in the first place, or the fire test to maintain your state certification, and most dreadful, the national registry.

    You guys do what you want, I'm just trying to help you not to do something that you'll regret for the rest of yer life.



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    WE HAVE THE SAME THING ABOUT 20 JUNIORS IN SCHOOL THE BEST PART OF IT THE SCHOOL OUR JUNIORS GO TO DID WORK OUT A PLAN FROM THE SCHOOL FOR ONLY WORKING FIRES

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    Originally posted by FIREMAN203:
    WE HAVE THE SAME THING ABOUT 20 JUNIORS IN SCHOOL THE BEST PART OF IT THE SCHOOL OUR JUNIORS GO TO DID WORK OUT A PLAN FROM THE SCHOOL FOR ONLY WORKING FIRES
    Some advice...Try not to use the caps during the post and slow down while typing. Try not to type a post if your frustrated because youll make a whole gambit of spelling mistakes. One thing you guys should consider, what would your parents think if something happened to you guys on fire ground when you guys left school?. Godforbid, but there's always that chance.
    You know who would get b*tched at?. The schools would for allowing thier students to leave for a dangerous situation. My question to you guys(the ones who have deals,contracts) will leave school to respond. Do you're parents have say in it?, also do they get called by school officials when, you sign out to respond to calls so they know where your at?.

    One more thing before I go, most Jr/Explorers are under 18. Therefore, Id say it be wise to stay in school. People who dont get a high school deploma make under 6,000 a year. keep that in mind!. Each day you miss a class.

    Well I must be going, Take it easy guys.

    Jeremy
    Truxton Vol. Fire Dept.

    [This message has been edited by JMiller02 (edited 04-25-2001).]

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    I am 17 and a junior FF/EMT-B at my station. We have career staff during the day, but even if we didn't, I don't think it's appropriate for juniors to be leaving school for calls unless it was a life/death situation (e.g. an MVA w/ entrapment a block from school). In the state of VA, juniors can not enter burning buildings to fight fire, and while we do play a major role in suppression efforts, we are not always needed. The priorities at my station are 1)school 2) family 3)friends 4)fire department. Next year I will be a senior and 18 and allowed to sign out for whatever reason, but you won't catch me skipping classes for a fire.

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    Those who do have contracts to leave school, I seriously doubt there parents even know,

    Situation your a High School Senior and its the day of a big test that if you don't pass you don't get your diploma, Now you just assume there's makeup when you look at your pager and see there's a fire call, You get back 2 hours later from the fire, Where you did nothing but get equipment and fill air bottles you talk to your teacher and ask him when the make up exam is, "Oh well there is no make up exam", Becasue you felt it was more important to leave school you now will not get your High School Diploma

    Or you stayed at school and you finsihed your exam and you passed and schools out for the day you look at your pager and see they need some one to do support duty's then you can go, But you must obey all the traffic laws

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    My departements junior are not allowed to leave school for any reason. If they cut school they still are not allowed to answer the calls. Must be out of firehouse by 10:00pm on school nights.
    They are not allowed to do anything but learn at the fires anyway so let them learn to spell and read instead. Better for everybody. -steve

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    I think we need to put things in perspective here.

    Student Bob is a senior, getting ready to take 'THE BIG TEST'. Student Bob sits down. Student Bob's pager goes off. Student Bob should shut it off, and do his test. Missing 1 lil' fire won't kill him.

    Compared to...

    Student Bob is a sophomore, sitting in Study Hall, shooting spitwads with his friends. Bob's pager goes off.

    Lets think about this.

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    NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Even though you may think you are important your not, trust me I was an explorer for 4 years on two posts. And I was higher trained and had more experienced than some on the departments. Stay in school, it is frowned on if you leave school for fire calls you will be labeled and bad for the PR. School is important yes assignments can be made up but fires will always burn and car will always crash.

    There is always Mutual Aid.

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    I think that it is unfortunate but true, by the time our senior years come around, there aren't many classes to take. I attend a vocational school in the afternoon to fill in my lack of class choices. Through this vocational school, I am allowed to serve internship at my department every other day, the last 4 hours of school. Interns are treated as firefighters, and are allowed to ride the first out ambulance, eng. co, and trk. co. to all calls except Haz Mat. The amount of knowledge that I have gained while running calls is more than I could ever hope to gain in 100 days of school. I think that responsible cadets serving their senior year should be allowed to respond to calls at their discretion. Just think, you can have a cadet get the stretcher and backboard, or have a medic leave the patient and get it. We do not have the most prestigious duties to perform, however our duties, although they may seem miniscule, are essential for keeping the rescue operation running a s smooth as it can.

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    Thumbs down fair

    i think that explorers should be able to respond to calls even though tht my company has limits on the explorers we have many drills that keep us busy.

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    I'm just posting here because I think it is cool to post on a six year old thread.

    You realize those in the original discussion aren't even explorers anymore, right?

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