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    Default Working the pump and the ladder?

    Does you department have one guy, working the pump on the truck, and operating the ladder on the same truck?
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    We have a quint in our department. The driver either runs the pump or the ladder. If they both needed to be run then personnel from another pump would be assigned to help. Usually what happens is the quint arrives first and is used as a pump while attack lines are being set up. Ground ladders are used first due to speed and then if the ladder is to be put up a second crew is assigned to the quint as they arrive on scene in other pumps.

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    Simply spec that the pump panel and ladder controls be side by side like a number of manufacturers have done for decades. You can also use wireless remote controls, they are great. Operating a ladder from the turntable is rarely the best place to position ones self.

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    When I drove the quint, if we were first in, I'd run the pump first. If they called for elevated stream, then the controls were on the pump panel, or a FF could "ride the bucket".

    If we needed to do vent or rescue (and were still working attack lines), I'd put out the outriggers, but someone in the bucket would control from there.

    And if it really got hairy, usually one of the FAOs from an engine that was not themselves flowing or supply would come help. Since few of them were checked out on the ladder (unless it was one from our station) they'd usually run the pump and let me work the ladder.

    But I must admit, most of the time the fire attack ran off the engine, and the quint was really a "truck".

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    When we use our quint, and are using the pump we require a min of 5 men,. one at the pump, one at the turntable controls one on the turntable spotting two in the basket.
    If we are on mutual aid there is also one officer either the duty crew or recall as as a safety officer on the ground.,Also on mutual aid we will not splt up the crew for other assignments or when operating as a fast team .we go as a crew and stay as a crew

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    Our tower ladder is used as a ladder company. If the aerial device is needed, the secondary driver will operate the device from the pedestal position while the primary driver will act as a ground safety person around the apparatus. At this point, the officer and a firefighter are usually in the basket.
    If the pump is needed while the aerial device is in use, the primary driver is in charge of the pump panel, the secondary driver is at the pedestal position and the officer and a firefighter are usually in the basket. During this operation, the pump operator and pedestal operator must work together as safety people (keeping unnecessary personnel away from the vehicle). Both of these scenarios are possible due to minimum staffing of four firefighters. When a five-person crew is on board, there will be a safety person walking around the vehicle.
    Just remember, it is better to tlk to you than to talk about you. Keep safe out there.

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    If both the pump and ladder are needed at the incident, the truck company engineer will operate the turntable and a second engineer will be used to operate at the pump panel. We will always keep an engineer at the turntable when any of our personnel are operating at the ladder tip or in the elevated platform.

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