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    TIMan
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    Post Getting the info out on thermal imaging

    Hello All,

    I know there a lot of people out there who are looking for information on thermal imaging, so lets all post whatever resources we know of so others can take advantage of them as well.

    If your looking for thermal imagers :
    Cairns www.cairnsiris.com
    Fire Research www.fireresearch.com
    FLIR www.fireflir.com
    GBSOLO www.gbsolo.co.uk/
    ICC www.infraredcomponents.com
    ISG www.isgfire.com
    ISI www.intsafety.com
    Marconi www.argusdirect.com
    MSA www.MSAnet.com
    Scott www.scottaviation.com

    If your looking for info on evaluating thermal imagers : http://thermalimager.bullard.com/tec...Eval/index.cfm

    If your looking for info on legislation : http://thermalimager.bullard.com/tec...rcesPublic.cfm

    If your looking for info on fundraising : http://thermalimager.bullard.com/tec...rcesPublic.cfm

    If your looking for articles on thermal imaging : http://thermalimager.bullard.com/tec...esArticles.cfm

    If your looking for thermal imaging photos or videos : http://thermalimager.bullard.com/tec...rcesPhotos.cfm

    If your looking for info on TI training : http://thermalimager.bullard.com/training/
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    www.safe-ir.com

    If your looking for information on saves with a thermal imager : http://thermalimager.bullard.com/yourStories/

    If your looking for TI SOPs : www.cfdonline.org/book3/3-iv-16.htm

    Yes many of these are on the Bullard TI website, but the informaiton is generic and applies to anyone.

    If you have anything else please share it, we can learn a lot from each other.

    Good Luck, Be Safe,
    "TIman"
    Bullard TI Training Specialist

    [This message has been edited by TIMan (edited September 08, 2000).]

    [This message has been edited by TIMan (edited 11-12-2000).]

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    TIMan
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    Brothers and Sisters,

    I put this post up over a month ago, and there were no replies.

    I know there are people out there who have good information to share with those who are just getting started with thermal imaging.

    If the information is not on a website, put up an email or mailing address.

    If you have some training drills that have worked well or an SOP that is working well, let the others know about it.

    Good Luck, Be Safe,
    "TIman"
    Bullard TI Training Specialist

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    Rescue 21
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    TIMan- Thanks for the info. I, for one, found it very helpful in our research for a TIC.

    Tim

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    ffnbs
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    TIMan-
    Not happy with the ISI. We only have the one camera but if we knew then what we know now we definately wouldn't buy an ISI.
    1) The image wasn't bad at the start but became noticably worse after several months.
    2) The temp. senser really wasn't working completely accurately from the start and only got worse.( room temp. 114F)??
    3) The slightest bump or knock and the image would cut out momemtarily.
    4) To the best of my knowledge we only had it in 4-5 structure fires and we trained alot with it.
    5) Definately in my opinion wasn't built rugged enough for the fire service.

    The unit has been in for service for 2 going on 3 months now. They did give us a loaner for the meantime and there is no difference between the two.

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    TIMan
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    Hello All,

    Glad to see we have some new interest, hope more will follow.

    Rescue 21 - glad to here it helped, curious what your plans are for getting the unit in service. I am sure others would like to hear what you are doing for training and how your SOPs will include the new TI.

    ffnbs - sorry to here about the problems, couple of comments in general.

    Don't give up on thermal imaging - I know of a number of depts and firefighters who dislike thermal imaging because their initial exposure to it was a bad one. It can be especially tough and embarrassing for depts because they spend their hard earned money and they end up with a piece of junk that does not work, and they can't just go out and buy another new one. You may have to live with a bad unit for a while, but do the best you can with it, and keep up the battle to get another. The first time someone comes out alive because of it it will all be worth it.

    We all need to TALK, TALK, TALK, TALK, - we are supposed to be a brotherhood, but in many cases we find ourselves at odds or competition with our fellow firefighters. We are all in it together, we all fight together, we all die together, so we all have to work together. This forum is an excellent opportunity for everyone to share there experiences, good and bad. If there are units that are failing let others know so they don't buy the same piece of junk. Share your success stories so that others can benefit from it. I can't stand the fact that everyone wants to champion a particular brand, there is a lot of good stuff, a lot of bad stuff. Sometimes it will work for one dept, but not another. Lets share it all, consider it all, and figure out what is going to work best for your dept. Please don't attack each other because we all don't worship the same brand name.

    They all will fail, sooner or later - there is no question in my mind that certain units out there will work as they should for firefighting. There is also no question in my mind that when the going gets tough there are units that are going fail when you need them most. If you do enough research you will figure out very quickly which units are getting the job done and which units are out of service on a regular basis. Don't take the word of any single person, read these forums and talk to everyone you can who uses a thermal imager. Not to single out ISI, but if you review the forums you will find more than one dept who has reported a problem with their unit.

    Finally, thermal imagers are electronic units, and as such: any of them can fail, at any time, for any reason. Make sure everyone has trained for this and is ready for it if it ever happens. Have an emergency failure procedure in place just like you do if your SCBA fails. Make sure you always have a reference point (wall, rope, or hose) so you do not become disoriented. Thermal imagers are saving lives, as long as everyone is trained and using them as they should.

    Purchasing a thermal imager and getting it in service can be a very challenging process, but don't give up the rewards will be worth it !

    Good Luck, Be Safe,
    "TIman"
    Mike Richardson
    Bullard TI Training Specialist

    For TI Training : www.safe-ir.com www.thermalimager.com/training

    [This message has been edited by TIMan (edited 11-30-2000).]

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