Sounds like E-1's crew is just ****ed that you beat him there and put his fire out. The more turns you make the more time it takes. It's not your fault he got the red light. Hope you beat him in again.
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04-12-2001, 01:43 PM #21oz10engineFirehouse.com Guest
05-23-2001, 12:55 PM #22BonCreChief@Yahoo.comFirehouse.com Guest
Thank you for the food for thought. I guess it is like everything else you can always learn. We respond from mutiple stations but have SOG's for that. My problem is that in all my stations we have multiple truck responses but have never had a problem and have never written SOG's for that. Guess our safety guys will have a new project for next meeting. Thanks for jogging this old Chief's brain.
06-19-2001, 02:42 PM #23qwerty_451Firehouse.com Guest
Taking the shortest route with the least turns is the best. Taking different routes offers the benefits of traffic might be less on one route, can see the scene from at least two different views, and if an accident occurs not everyone getting blocked in.
I responded in the stream before and didn't make the turn that everyone else did, because there was 1 turn instead on many and ended up at the scene 2 minutes before them on a relatively short run.
Seeing the scene from two points of view, after failing to do a 360 upon arrival I entered what I thought was a duplex and met up with another crew which told my crew to check for extension in the other 3 units and I couldn;t understand it because they had come in from a different direction "from the same station" and had seen a different scene.
06-19-2001, 05:17 PM #24apatrolFirehouse.com Guest
Rather than a distance by feet or whatever i would like to see trucks leave the station with a thirty second or so rule... allows the vehicles to clear intersections independantly (misspelled) and allows IC to issue orders to trucks in good order w/o six trucks piled on him at the same time... Just my two cents
02-08-2005, 04:52 PM #25
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My company typically travels "parade" style with enough distance between units to allow time for reaction to road conditions. However, we have some very long hill climbs that slow down our engine and tanker but our brushtruck and resque can handle very well. This shortest distance isn't always the fastest for the larger apparatus. The brushtruck and reque may go over the hill while the engine and tanker go around it. It's mostly a judgement call by the driver to allow for the best response time.
02-08-2005, 06:28 PM #26
The fire department in our area roll 2 appliances and they pretty much tail gate (Not quite that close, but you get the idea!) all the way to the scene.
Issues I see here are (Not in any particular order)-
1) what if there was traffic congestion? Both appliances get held up
2) public will often give way to one truck at intersections, not realising there is second one following behind (possible collission)
3) What if one or both are involved in a collision? (With another vehicle or wose again- each other?)
I beleive different routes are important.Luke
02-10-2005, 11:53 AM #27
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First to answer your question:
If an Engine and Ladder both are leaving the house together then typically the Engine Leaves 1st and the Truck follows. This is so the Engine can enter the block first and allow the ladder to get the front of the building.
As for more than 1 & 1 then if they take different routes then so be it. Perhaps if the Engine chauffeur knows the area he knows what hydrant the 1st Due Engine will take thus going a different route to get one elsewhere.
Second:This way, there will not be a parade of apparatus with the potential for an accident from interlocked sirens
Now if another apparatus is approaching an intersection we will hear them intermittenly sounding their siren and horns. Thus we won't be surprised when they show up at the intersection. Calling ahead on the radio only works if you know which direction they are comming from...however they might not have left from the firehouse, they might have been on another box, etc...
It seems to be smarter to do that than blast the siren and horns the whole way there...never knowing if someone else is doing the same thing on an adjoining street heading for the same intersection.
Just something to think about.
02-10-2005, 05:39 PM #28
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In one of my past departments, we had semi-established routes for each company (5 firehouses, 7 companies). SOP was to announce on the radio when approaching major intersections that another unit might also be approaching and to announce an 'off-route' response if you weren't responding from the firehouse.
About 40 years ago, an engine and ladder left the same firehouse via different routes to a fire. The engine t-boned the truck, killing one fireman and sending about a dozen others to the hospital (this was back in the days of riding the running boards, but the pictures show extensive damage and both rigs were totaled).
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