YFD911 - It is my understanding that municipal charters can be more restrictive than state law, but not less restrictive...so residency may be allowed by charter. I don't know what Ohio bill you refer to, can you let me know the number so I can look it up. I know the Akron Fire Department members want to know about this bill!
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12-10-1999, 11:12 AM #21benson911Firehouse.com Guest
12-10-1999, 11:14 AM #22EXJAKEFirehouse.com Guest
We have a limit of 15 miles from town lines but aren't bothered if we're a little over. It's all politics anyway, if the right people ask at the right time they can get anything except money
My brother and I, as well as about twenty others were born,raised, and educated in our home town but can't afford to live there.
We have proved it's not a problem to live outside town by our daily attendance and response to call backs for mutual aid and other emergencies.
Boston jakes have always lived as far away as Cape Cod and they've been doing the job for years by cooperating with each other on scheduling reliefs.
Between politics and contracts you can do it if if enough of you want it.
My town hired people from outside from a layoff list and they never went back. They still live where they used to work and work where they have never lived!
12-11-1999, 02:07 PM #23YFD911Firehouse.com Guest
Benson911 and all Ohio firefighters. The Bill that is in the Ohio State Senate is S.B. 46. If you go to the Ohio Senate web page you can browse by bill # and read the entire bill. It is supposed to be voted on in the next few months.
12-27-1999, 05:49 PM #24EdFirehouse.com Guest
Our city was the only one for many years to have a liberal residency requirement of aprox. 9 miles from city center. This is for all represented city employees. All department heads (Chiefs, Administrators, Heads of department types) have to live in the city boarders. Recently one other department next door allows their employees to live in a boardering community.
I know of some departments that have no residency and some have absolute. Good luck, personally I think residency for anything sucks, Imagine a major corporation telling employees or the C.E.O. that they have to live in the city where the company is.
12-29-1999, 06:48 PM #25D. AndersonFirehouse.com Guest
We overturned our residency requirement this past year. Some of the city's representatives actually had the gall to say we would try harder on calls if we lived in the city! They also tried to say how much tax money the city would lose in the "mass exodus" that would result if the city lifted the requirement even though vacancy in the city is only 4 percent. I can only think of three people on the department moved out of the hundreds that can.
Unfortunately they still require you to be a resident of the city to try out and for your first six months of probation. We now only get about 400-600 people who try out when it used to be more than 4000 before residency. They insist this isn't affecting the quality of the people who are hired though.Right.
12-29-1999, 10:50 PM #26
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Residency requirements for either paid or volunteer firefighters, in this day of pagers, automobiles, and more, seem to be an antiqued thing that will not go away. How can city governments guarantee that the firefighter living in the city limits will be, for example, SOBER when the call for off-duty crews comes in? I used to live in Houston, and some of the guys lived as much as 100 miles away, but made it to their 6am start of shift with no problem.
I can fully see why a union contract in a small department would have the protection of calling off-duty crews before (ex.) neighboring volunteer departments, but there also should be a time limit for off-duty personnel to get there before more companies are called. A firefighter should appreciate that his distance from his station might mean his missing a call, but so does being out of town on vacation.
City governments should let residency requirements go the way of open cabs and tailboard riding. None are needed in 2000.
Do it right, do it safely, do it once.
12-30-1999, 08:33 PM #27Dave GriceFirehouse.com Guest
To Benson911, YFD911 and other OH FF's,
I heard about the current bill on the Senate's agenda, I certainly hope they are open-minded enough to change the residency requirement. My city had dropped residency completely during contract negotiations the year before I was hired. Being a ghetto community I was extrememly happy about that. You hear officials say that you are not going to do your job as well as a person that lives in the city the work, but I think that is BS. I love working for my community because of the fire load we get, plus, I just love what we do. Out of 53 members on our dept., maybe 2 actually live within the city. I really hope that it is not an issue for us in the future. Hopefully, as 2000 comes, residency will be a thing of the past for everybody. Take it easy.
12-31-1999, 04:57 PM #28benson911Firehouse.com Guest
I researched the Ohio Senate Bill on the State legislative web site and it is now in committee in the house after passing the Senate. The problem is going to be its constitutionality. It may go against the rights of charter cities to set their own laws. I'll keep you posted, or you can look it up yourselves at ...
Look up Senate bill # 46
01-06-2000, 05:12 PM #29YFD911Firehouse.com Guest
To All Ohio Firefighters,
I spoke to my local senator this afternoon. Senate bill 46 is stalled in committee at this time because there are not enough votes from REPUBLICAN senators. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, have everyone you know put pen to paper and let your local representative know how important this bill is to you. This bill was written as to over rule city charters and any other local govt. So if you live in a area with a city charter it will mean nothing if this bill passes. So the more letters that go in the better. Especially to republican senators.
01-09-2000, 04:10 PM #30Dave GriceFirehouse.com Guest
I'll get word to all those I know to get going with this. Thanks gor info. about Bill 46.
01-18-2000, 10:46 PM #31PizanFirehouse.com Guest
Residency is out of date with Automatic aid and Mutual aid who needs residency. I hate it. We got 5 miles last contract and we are going to abolish with this contract even if we have to go to Arb. The city of Cicero, Illinois just won interest arb over residnecy. The Arbitrator ruled it is not the firefihgters problem to solve economic downfalls of the town by living in it. Also why should our famalies be denied a right that is shared by everyone in the US except those incarcerated in prison. With that type of ruling I don't see how any town in Illinois cannot beat residency. I do beleive that you should be able to live anywhere you want. Especially if your school district is bad or your town has a lot of crime, drugs, and gangs. Why should I have to subject my child to the realities of an economically depressed town. Especially when I can move 15 miles away and have an excellent school district and nice clean town. Also, still provide the same level of care to the community.
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