Thread: Gen-x ???????

  1. #51
    FireLt1951
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    LtTodd, I don't disagree with you. It seems that the younger ones who held no real job or never had to be a responsible individual, do have a different attitude. I've also found that if you teach them that training and book work is necessary it helps but it's not the end all. I also teach them that experience is the best teacher and to listen, learn and watch. We treat our probies hard for the first year and then they become total members of the family. The biggest thing I've noticed is that it has become just a job and not a way of life for many of them.

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    Reduntancy again.

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    FireLt1951
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    OOPS

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    FireLt1951
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    Damn puter.

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    I am 27 years old and have approx 3 years on the job. I hope I am not thought of as a slacker, I work hard and will take on any menial job that comes along. However I do see what you are talking about, but it is not exclusive to the firehouse. I think that lazy attitude is everywhere. I work with people my own age and some of them think that because they showed up for work and are breathing when they got there, they deserve a paycheck. But it isn't everyone, some of us live the job and want to learn from the veterans. If you are a veteran firefighter at least give us a chance and show us how it needs to be done. How else will we learn?

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    spo0k
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    I am 20 and after 2 years of hard work and having my attitude "rearranged" I have finally started as a fulltime firefighter with a very good department in this area.

    The attitude is definatly there, we grew up with everything handed to us by parents who wanted to provide a better life than one given to them. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, but this demeanor doesn't fit well in the fire service. All it takes is a moderate (or maybe heavy) amount of hazing to either 1) weed these people out or 2) as is the case with myself, cause these firefighters to reevaluate themselves and improve/change their attitude. It is possible, I'm living proof



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    spo0k
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    I thought I posted on this topic but apparently not

    Anyways I am definatly what would be considered a generation-x'er. I am 20 years old, have worked part time for 2 years (I was able to get my cards right after graduation due to a high school career center program in this area) and recently started full-time with a major department in this area.

    I too came on this job with the attitude you speak of. At 15 I was an explorer and I didn't have a clue what the fire service was all about. I was an ***, and I knew absolutely everything. I learned real quick once I got out on the job that this just doesn't fly.

    The growth that I was able to make in my two years as a part-timer, ****ing people off, learning from my attitude problems, so on, was the best thing that could have happened to me, both in my personal and professional life. Now (although I'm not too much older/more senior) I'm seeing other new guys starting with similar attitudes that I had an I realize just how far I have come.

    My point is, the attitude is definatly there, but with a little prodding hazing the problem firefighters will either grow up and into this job, or realize that they'd rather work at burger king.


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    PlattsFire1
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    I have been in the fire and rescue service for four years now. I guess you could say I'm a gen -xer. I don't feel as though I fit some of the labels that you have given me. After all, I was a firefighter in the Air Force for four years, having served 8 months of that time in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. I don't really think I have a "give me everything attitude," nor am I disrespectful of my elders. I do agree that many gen-xers have some problems, but I don't think it is fair to assume that I have the same. If I had, I wouldn't have gotten an honorable discharge.

    Besides, until you can tell me what it's like to fight a structure fire with an average daily temp of 126 F, then I don't beleive you have the right to judge me at all.

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    Nate Marshall
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    The major reasons the old fogies are ****ed off is because they are being passed up by better educated, conditioned, and better firefighters. Most old timers I know just sit around and bitch while the younger guys go out and become paramedics, hazmat techs,
    generation whine is the old timers. Most should retire before they get someone hurt or killed. Its the 21st century, if you cant handle younger firefighters that are more tech savvy and in better condition and better educated than quit.

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    FireLt1951
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    Originally posted by Nate Marshall:
    The major reasons the old fogies are ****ed off is because they are being passed up by better educated, conditioned, and better firefighters. Most old timers I know just sit around and bitch while the younger guys go out and become paramedics, hazmat techs,
    generation whine is the old timers. Most should retire before they get someone hurt or killed. Its the 21st century, if you cant handle younger firefighters that are more tech savvy and in better condition and better educated than quit.
    Nate: You really need to grow up and stop your child like whining attitude. You remind me of the "I think I know it all" smart mouthed kid on the playground while I was a teacher.

    You apparently don't feel you learned anything from any veteran firefighters. I find that hard to digest. One day you will be where the veteran firefighters are today. I really hope they give you the same bu*lsh@t your handing out here. Your holier than thou attitude will bite you in the As@ one day.

    As I told you in another forum. I will match my knowledge, skills, education and firefighting qualifications against yours any day. If you don't believe that I'll put my qualifications and training on this forum and show you what an education is all about. You sir are not the end all at this time or in the future. The sooner you understand that, the better off you'll be. You hide behind anonimity and slam most people in these posts. You must be absolute perfection, NOT. Although you probably think so.

    I'm curious if you talk to all your older superiors this way. I doubt it, you wouldn't have the guts and if you did you sure as hell wouldn't last long and you know it. Show your older whiney superiors your true attitude and see where it gets you. You are the type of individual that the true fire service doesn't need or want. You are a true embarrassment to us all and to the people you work with.

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    Nate Marshall
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    Actually Ive passed them all over. Before I left for my new job doing what I want, to get what I want, I was my first Lieutenants BC. In fact I aced the Lieutenants exam, Captains and scored the highest score ever recorded on Stanard and Associates BC Assessment Center.

    You get the education, the training and once the experience catches up to you your unbeatable.


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    FireLt1951
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    Here's a quote that I hope Nate and some younger firefighters take to heart.

    " Our limited perspective, our hopes and fears become our measure of life, and when circumstances don't fit our ideas, they become our difficulties"

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    Lt.Todd
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    Let me say I was surprised to see this topic get such a mixed response. I think all of the Generation-X people who posted here are not in the same category as the ones I was making reference to.

    The fire service needs these new and young firefighters. I justed wanted to point out that the senior guys can teach you more then any book or C.D. rom can!
    My main concern still lies with the rookies who come in and take advantage and think they already know everything. It should be considered a honor and privilege to be a firefighter.If your just starting out never forget what this job is really about.

    NATE; I have a very hard time reading some of your post. You sound like your well educated and have a desire to improve the fire service. However, theres no way a true firefighter would make some of the post you do. Aced the Lt's and Captains test??? I have been a Lieutenant for the past 4 1/2 years and just recently took the Captains exam. No Aces here or anywhere in the department... Stop trying so hard to impress us...... Were Not Impressed!

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