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    Question Ratio of Training Division to Line Personnel

    Hoping for information on 2 subjects, First, What is the ratio of training division personnel to line personnel in your department? For instance if you have 100 FF's, how many people are in charge of getting them the training they need from day to day. secondly, your mechanics, how many do you have, how many rigs are they responsible for, and what is the ratio of light duty vehicles to heavy duty? Thanks in advance for any info given. It will help us with our research project.

    Reno Firefighter's Local 731

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    75 man dept., we have a Training Chief and 1 Training Officer. The Chief writes the schedule, the T.O. teaches. We have no mechanics, a contractor comes into the stations. Would love to have our own though.

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    What's a training division? We have no specific personnel assigned to training. Each Shift Commander is responsible to train his shift. Special courses or training from outside of the department usually comes from requests by line personnel. Our Deputy Chief acts as a training officer, but that is only a small part of his job.

    45 personnel on the dept - 1 guy sort of in charge of training.

    We outsource most of our mechanic work - we do have three personnel trained to do basic maintenance - fixing lights and switches and diagnosing problems.

    45 personnel - 3 guys do some maintenance on 5 Fire Apparatus (3 Engine, 1 Squirt and 1 Ladder,) 2 Medic units (ambulances,) one old Medic now a Technical Rescue unit and 5 staff vehicles (1 car, 1 pickup, 1 minivan and 2 full-size vans.) We also have a small boat and a foam trailer - carrying 330 gallons of foam, a deluge gun and eductors.

    Heavy Duty Vehicles = 5
    Medium Duty Vehicles = 3
    Light Duty Vehicles = 5

    Good luck with your project!

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    We have 1 training officer, and 24 personal on the suppression side.

    Most of the vehicle maintenance is handled by the city maintenance dept, if its really bad problem we will send it to a big truck garage in town, or sometimes we will have a fire truck repair company come and fix the problem. There are 2 people who do the work for all of the city vehicles.

    Hope this help.


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    Thanks so much to those who have responded. All information is valuable to us. Hope to get more. Thanks again.

    Reno FF'S L731

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    We have a Battalion Chief as the Chief of Training in the Training Division. There is also a Lieutenant assigned as the Assistant Training Officer. When more personnel are needed to teach certain or specialized subjects, firefighters and/or officers are assigned as needed. We have a 195 member department.

    We used to have our own shops. Now the City Shops handles all the work done on the fire apparatus. They are responsible for a fleet of about 50 vehicles(apparatus to Chief's cars)

    Kevin M. Fitzhenry, bfdt2@fitzhenry.com
    Firefighter, Truck Co. 2
    City of Bayonne (NJ) FD

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    Red face

    It is certainly amazing to read and hear all the major issues that seem not to be on the mind of Chief Few Clues... I really think he is headed to being remembered for some of the fine acts his noted predecessors are know for. Such as: the past Chief who picked up his plate and licked it, while sitting at the head table of a black tie event. Or the past Chief who ordered the snow shoveled off the lawn into the street. Hmmm, was that the same chief who, while enroute to the Air Florida crash, called headquarters and asked how to get to the 14th street bridge from The SE/SW freeway?

    It is a good thing that DCFD is so rich in tradition. How else could they survive the idiots that have been picked to lead them ( with exception of a few good Chiefs, not to include the current one ) over the past 25 or 30 years I've been in the Metro area. It doesn't matter if an individual works for a department in Northern Virginia or Maryland. No matter how recognized some of the departments in the Metro area want to be. It still gets down to the fact that DCFD "IS" the department everyone wishes they could or could have worked for at one time or another. They are recognized as THE department who catches the most fire, while there are some good firefighters on all the departments in the area, and I have no desire to take away from brothers and sisters who work for these departments, DC is known for some of the most agressive firefighters in the area.

    As I have seen posted before in this forum... hang in there and this idiot, too Few, will be gone.

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    We have a dept of approximatly 200 paid firefighters, and 1 training officer. Managment keeps insisting they are offering us "meaningful" training.

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    250 man dept. 1 D/C, 1 Capt. and 1 Lt in the training division. They put out a schedule for the dept. to follow every month. Most training is done in the companies by the company officers unless it is new tools, apparatus...and the like.


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    269 line personel, not counting 10 bat. chiefs, and another 40 (aprox.) in admin, shop, training, prevention, etc.

    We have a B/C, Capt., and two Lt's assigned to the training division. One Lt. is (normally) a Paramedic to do any hands on EMS training (We have a Medical Services Officer (B/C pay) who oversee's the curriculum for this in conjunction with our physician director). The Training Div may be supplemented by special assignment during high demand times, such as right now with a firefighter assigned to help with a regional recruit academy in progress. We also have an A/V tech who runs our private cable TV channel which runs FETN and our own produced training. This keeps rigs in their own stations more often than not for "lecture" type training.

    Our shop is overseen by a B/C pay level person. His job title used to be Fire Equipment Officer, but I believe it has changed when he got the raise to chiefs wages as he now oversees all equipment and facilities as well. In our shop are three certified Fire apparatus mechanics, and a service mechanic to do oil changes and work on small engines.
    We are predominately heavy apparatus, the only "light" duty rigs we have are brush rigs and paramedic squads.
    11 engines
    4 quints
    2 other aerials
    3 "heavy" brush (medium duty chassis)
    4 "light" brush
    3 paramedic squads (non-transport)
    6 reserve engines, 1 reserve ladder
    Our shop also has maintenance contract with a neighboring fire district.
    Our chiefs rigs are taken care of by our city's shop (next to all the wrecked police cars).

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