Thanks Neman, good to hear from all the CAREER brothers! God bless the union!
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04-03-2002, 11:02 PM #141
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- Feb 2002
04-04-2002, 02:24 AM #142
THE IDIOCY ON THIS THREAD IS OVERWELMING, ON BOTH SIDES OF THE QUESTION. WHICH NO ONE SEEMS TO BE TALKING ABOUT ANYWAY.I.A.C.O.J. Charter Member
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04-04-2002, 06:48 AM #143
Volunteers do it for the dedication to the job not a pay check!
wayne, that is my ownly problem
04-04-2002, 09:27 AM #144
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- Feb 1999
- Bowie, MD USA
Silly me, I thought L-1619 had cornered the market on ”AROGANCE,” ”IGNORANCE” and ”SELF RIGHTSIOUSNESS”
This is what happens when one is so narrow minded, it makes it hard to carry on an intelligent conversation about a subject. Instead they resort to attacks and slander.
The topic is, “Volunteer Officers Commanding Career Personnel” and the only reason I can gather from here is you don’t like it just because they are volunteers. I haven’t heard one good reason why you don’t like it, only just because they are volunteers. This is what shows your ignorance.
I am sure no one will mind if you pack up your toy’s and head back to your all career hole if you don’t think you can hang with the volunteers. The fire will go out without you. It may even go out faster.
If you are that worried about volunteer officers, maybe you should have yourselves taken off of any mutual aid assignments you have where you run with volunteers and stay in your all career hole so you won’t have to deal with it. It will probably make the fire ground run a lot smoother.
Or better yet, why don’t you people grow up. From your own mouths you agree that you have officers on the career side that are just as bad. I am one volunteer who agrees that the popularity contest for choosing officers sucks…..It’s wrong…..and it needs to be changed. But until it can be changed this is what we have to work with and we need to do our best at getting the most qualified people into these positions.
If IAFF members would put a little of the effort they use attacking volunteers into trying to work with them maybe some good changes can take place. But as long as you continue to attack the volunteers things will never change. Stop thinking just because you get paid to do the same job volunteers do for free that it makes you more professional. ’WRONG”
Just my humble opinion, Peace!
”VOLUNTEERS DO IT FOR THE DEDICATION TO THE JOB, NOT A PAYCHECK”
04-04-2002, 10:42 AM #145
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- Dec 2001
I almost hate to get involved in this thread, but here goes.
The issue of who is in command at a scene is a LOCAL issue.
All the bashing that is going on here will NOT change the situation
in your jurisdiction. If career firefighters feel this strongly about
this go to your municipality and request to be taken out of the mutual aid pact. When this happens the problem is solved!!!
I only see two considerations that you need to examine.
1-What will the public perception be of this move?
2-If you do not want to assist them, they will not assist
you--it works both ways.
If niether of these issues bother you then request to be taken out
of your mutual aid pact with volunteer departments and the problem is gone. If you are not prepared to do this then quit bashing just for the fun of it. These forums are PUBLIC and I do not believe we are putting our best foot forward in this thread.
Just my thoughts!!
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