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    Quote Originally Posted by THEFIRENUT View Post
    Would that be a smooth-bore horn or a fog-horn????
    Oh, smooth-bore horn for sure.
    If someone with multiple personalities threatens to kill himself, is it considered a hostage situation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by THEFIRENUT View Post
    Enough of this "Lights vs. No Lights" stuff. Let's start arguing about smooth bore vs. fog or maybe one hood vs. two

    Or we could talk about anything less important. I don't care!!!

    Take care and stay safe!!
    Hey there are so many insignificant things to argue about. So once this is done maybe we can cuss each other over Ford / Chevrolet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ndvfdff33 View Post
    What's wrong with my attitude. A courtesy light is just that, a courtesy light. If people want to be courteous and pull over they can. I've never heard of laws stating you HAVE to pull over for courtesy lights. If you are considered an emergency vehicle and have lights and sirens that is a different thing.

    Some 18 y/o jackass coming up behind me with his blue or green or red light honking his horn is just going to tick me off. If I see you coming up driving sensibly with your light flashing, sure I will pull over. You start whaling on your horn that tells me you're demanding me pull over for you and showing that your willing to get aggressive to get by me. I'm sure the Motor Vehicle laws do not state if somebody will not pull over for your courtesy light you can use your horn to make them.

    I would be the first person at that firehouse reporting them for pulling that crap. It kind of puts a negative image on the dept when some 18 y/o lunatic driver is coming up behind people honking their horn to get them out of the way.
    It just ticks me off to hear people say they don't have to pull over for a courtesy light,yeah it could be a gung ho 18 year old going to a BS call but it could also be a 30 year old driver going to get the truck for a house fire with occupants trapped.Yes I know it's a courtesy light and you do not have to give the right of way,but if somebody is honking their horn that much and driving aggressively behind you they'll probably try to pass you anyway.You could just as easily pull over and file a complaint with the fire chief,or PD later.I haven't used a light in 15 years and probably will never use one again,just because of the negative image they give the fire department,and nobody seems to see them unless you beak some traffic law with it on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wconlon53 View Post
    It just ticks me off to hear people say they don't have to pull over for a courtesy light,yeah it could be a gung ho 18 year old going to a BS call but it could also be a 30 year old driver going to get the truck for a house fire with occupants trapped.Yes I know it's a courtesy light and you do not have to give the right of way,but if somebody is honking their horn that much and driving aggressively behind you they'll probably try to pass you anyway.You could just as easily pull over and file a complaint with the fire chief,or PD later.I haven't used a light in 15 years and probably will never use one again,just because of the negative image they give the fire department,and nobody seems to see them unless you beak some traffic law with it on.
    While it may tick you off it is the truth. I am not saying I don't pull over for courtesy lights because I do, unless of course the person is driving like a total jackass. If I see a person driving sensibly behind me with a light flashing you can bet your *** I will pull over, unless it's unsafe to do so. I guess I have that attitude because I have never had a light and know for a fact I can make the same response time to my hall as bozo with his courtesy light honking away at folks.

    There is other members than are responding to get trucks or staff them, so drive sensibly and safely and get there when you get there.
    If someone with multiple personalities threatens to kill himself, is it considered a hostage situation?

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    Mississippi = red/ no siren
    must follow all traffic laws, and only use as courtesy light (basically)

    you can only run lights and siren if declared an "official emergency vehicle".
    The mayor, board, chief of police, sheriff, etc.. can declare the vehicle an official emergency vehicle. Usually doesn't happen.

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    Had to love the guy with PA tags and Penn State decals on his Jeep Wrangler crossing the 14th St. Bridge from VA into DC running his red lights through traffic this morning, what's the emergency dude, late for your internship at FEMA?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ndvfdff33 View Post
    While it may tick you off it is the truth. I am not saying I don't pull over for courtesy lights because I do, unless of course the person is driving like a total jackass. If I see a person driving sensibly behind me with a light flashing you can bet your *** I will pull over, unless it's unsafe to do so. I guess I have that attitude because I have never had a light and know for a fact I can make the same response time to my hall as bozo with his courtesy light honking away at folks.

    There is other members than are responding to get trucks or staff them, so drive sensibly and safely and get there when you get there.
    I like the It may tick you off angle. It not only may tick me off it DOES tick me off. There are people in the fire service (I won't call them firefighters because most I've encountered wouldn't make a sweaty mole on a firefighters butt cheek) that the minute they join the local volunteer they deck their personal vehicle out with as many flashing lights as their poor alternator will allow the amp draw for, that are never seen out of their fire department T shirt, have their department issued radio on scan so they can hear calls they will never be called to, and when there is a complaint they are the one that it is lodged about. These idiots are the ones that tick me off. And you can see them coming. It could be more BS than on a cattle auction floor and they are in the wind wide *** open and nobody can stop them. And most of them are OUT standing firemen. Out standing by the mailbox waiting on the mailman. I've got 16 years in. I do have lights on my truck. I use them only when using my vehicle instead of our departments battalion chief's car. And even when I run them there is no excessive speed or acting a fool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MTKROUSH View Post
    And even when I run them there is no excessive speed or acting a fool.
    And see....this is all that matters. It doesn't matter if you have one light or one hundred. As long as the one behind the wheel uses common sense and "Everyones" safety in mind, there should be no problem.

    For all the ones who use their lights appropriately, you never see a post in here about how proud someone is for seeing them doing so, but if one idiot "MISS"-uses them, you get four thousand pages here in this forum.

    Soooooooo, lets take these threads with a grain of salt and move on with our lives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MTKROUSH View Post
    And even when I run them there is no excessive speed or acting a fool.
    That is main thing. If you drive like a normal person and not an aggressive a-hole those are the kind of folks I have no problem pulling over for.
    If someone with multiple personalities threatens to kill himself, is it considered a hostage situation?

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    Here in WI red may be used by vol's in POV, no siren = obey traffic laws; may also park at scene irregardless of locaction if 360 degree visibilty night/day of the red flash/strobe/osc light, siren + red = is classified as an AEV responding TO an emergency as paged, wigwags only allowed if approved by chief and chief has filed as per state statute. Green is for command vehicle only (on scene if I read leg'n right). Blues only for LE. Whites can be used in Ambulances and School buses, unsure of other applicable instances.
    Question for WI residents though, I haven't read or found any info in state law regarding strobing/flashing/alternating tail (red) lights. Yes/No?
    Back home in ON as said above green is permitted for vol's in POV responding to emergency as paged, no siren allowed. It is the law for motorists to pull over so kind of in between a courtesy light and running code. Blues maybe used by snow removal and LE only. Reds FD, Ambulance and LE only. Purple only for funeral procession lead vehicle. Wigwags only LE, FD and Ambulances IIRC.
    As to the dead horse, I am a recently new resident to WI and this thread has been enlightening and beneficial, and is very timeless until a federal mandate regarding as such comes down.

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    I love NC's laws on emergency lights, sirens, etc. There is no need for a siren unless you are a high rank in the department and you really know what you are doing.

    Red/White lights are acceptable, and you may have as many as you please...as long as your cheif says it's okay. Personally, I don't see why people light their cars up like Las Vegas, but that's their business. In my opinion, all you NEED to have is the necessary lights to move traffic. I am currently only 17, but when I turn 18 in a few months, I will get another light so that I may be seen from the rear.

    You don't want to get pulled over by law enforcement for traffic offenses if you're going to a call, so if you have your caution flashers on, your dash light, and your rear deck light, you should be fine. The one in the back will just be all red..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loganx1021 View Post
    You don't want to get pulled over by law enforcement for traffic offenses if you're going to a call, so if you have your caution flashers on, your dash light, and your rear deck light, you should be fine. The one in the back will just be all red..
    You should NEVER be in a situation that could get you pulled over while responding.

    Cops in my county will stop firefighters that are responding if they break any laws. They dont give warnings. They give tickets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by modernmidnight View Post
    You should NEVER be in a situation that could get you pulled over while responding.

    Cops in my county will stop firefighters that are responding if they break any laws. They dont give warnings. They give tickets.
    I know its a dead horse but this point is very important.

    If you are in a position to get pulled over while responding to a call, you and your deptartment have BIG issues. It might be because I am thirtysomething rather than 18/21 but I believe you ALWAYS drive with due regard on the roads. With or without lights of any kind, POV or apparatus, you are the professional and you need to act like it. This goes for driving in general, not just for calls.

    I guess I am pretty lucky. Where I am at, we are really lucky and nobody tolerates such nonsense or recklessness. It doesn't take a call or LEO's to correct someone who is reckless or getting that way. We do it inhouse well before that can be an signifcant issue. As such, our local law enforcement is an aid to us, not a problem or source of concern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loganx1021 View Post
    I love NC's laws on emergency lights, sirens, etc. There is no need for a siren unless you are a high rank in the department and you really know what you are doing.

    Red/White lights are acceptable, and you may have as many as you please...as long as your cheif says it's okay. Personally, I don't see why people light their cars up like Las Vegas, but that's their business. In my opinion, all you NEED to have is the necessary lights to move traffic. I am currently only 17, but when I turn 18 in a few months, I will get another light so that I may be seen from the rear.

    You don't want to get pulled over by law enforcement for traffic offenses if you're going to a call, so if you have your caution flashers on, your dash light, and your rear deck light, you should be fine. The one in the back will just be all red..
    Sounds like you are there for the wrong reasons. Getting another light? You shouldnt have one now. You are 17. Have you had EVOC? I would bet on no. And as others have said, you shouldnt have to worry about getting pulled over, running red lights or not. They dont make you incincible.
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    STATE OF TEXAS

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    Sec. 546.004. EXCEPTIONS TO SIGNAL REQUIREMENT. (a) A volunteer fire fighter who operates a private vehicle as an authorized emergency vehicle may engage in conduct permitted by Section 546.001 only when the fire fighter is using visual signals meeting the pertinent requirements of Sections 547.305 and 547.702.
    Sec. 546.005. DUTY OF CARE. This chapter does not relieve the operator of an authorized emergency vehicle from:
    (1) the duty to operate the vehicle with appropriate regard for the safety of all persons; or
    (2) the consequences of reckless disregard for the safety of others

    Sec. 547.305. RESTRICTIONS ON USE OF LIGHTS. (a) A motor vehicle lamp or illuminating device emergency vehicle warning lamp, that projects a beam with an intensity brighter than 300 candlepower shall be directed so that no part of the high-intensity portion of the beam strikes the roadway at a distance of more than 75 feet from the vehicle.

    Sec. 547.702. ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT REQUIREMENTS FOR AUTHORIZED EMERGENCY VEHICLES. (a) An authorized emergency vehicle may be equipped with a siren, exhaust whistle, or bell: Ö..that emits a sound audible under normal conditions at a distance of at least 500 feet.

    c) Except as provided by this section, an authorized emergency vehicle shall be equipped with signal lamps that:
    (1) are mounted as high and as widely spaced laterally as practicable;
    (2) display four alternately flashing red lights, two located on the front at the same level and two located on the rear at the same level; and
    (3) emit a light visible at a distance of 500 feet in normal sunlight.
    (d) A private vehicle operated by a volunteer firefighter responding to a fire alarm or a medical emergency may, but is not required to, be equipped with signal lamps that comply with the requirements of Subsection (c).
    (e) A private vehicle operated by a volunteer firefighter responding to a fire alarm or a medical emergency may be equipped with a signal lamp that is temporarily attached to the vehicle roof and flashes a red light visible at a distance of at least 500 feet in normal sunlight.


    I don't see how a full fledged xmas tree roof mounted lightbar qualifies???

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    I usually run with nothing on, not even my 4 ways unless im out of town. Then i will run 4 ways sometimes. No sirens, no lights, nothing. its really unnecessary, since people who see the 4 ways on realize immediately what your about and slow down for you. I have yet to even see a high ranking officer with red lights on their cars, sure ive seen other departments with members with lights all over them but they usually end up just looking like idiots.

    there are only a few reasons i can see someone NEEDING lights on a car, 1 is a chief who is following the engines to the scene so he can be recognized along with the engines or apparatus he is following as emergency personnel. and 2 are people who are providing traffic control. Around here we usually dont have engines to spare to use for running traffic control and people use their own cars, at night especially it really helps to have a red light to allert people ahead of time, sometimes with 4 ways on people will still try and pass you because they think you are just broken down or sitting there for some reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FirefighterReed View Post
    In TN it is like this

    FF/EMS= red & white or just red/siren

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    No in TN. you can have red,white,or amber in the front,or combination,but only red,and amber in the back,but you have to have 360 degree light vision.You also must have a siren.i,VE GOT THE COPY OF THE LAW.

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    It's kind of pitiful when it sounds like the reason some people volunteer is so they can put cool lights on their car and operate contrary to traffic laws.

    My hats of to those who do it for the right reason.
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    I have a great way to solve all the light problems.

    It will eliminate all the infighting here among the posters. It will eliminate confusion about who can do what in what state. It will eliminate everything. All the problems.

    Pass a federal law forbidding the use of emergency lights on POV's. Period.

    Problem solved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    I have a great way to solve all the light problems.

    It will eliminate all the infighting here among the posters. It will eliminate confusion about who can do what in what state. It will eliminate everything. All the problems.

    Pass a federal law forbidding the use of emergency lights on POV's. Period.

    Problem solved.
    I have a better plan.. Pass a federal law that makes the use, color and manner of display uniform so that there is only ONE right way to do it, and not a different way for every set of laws and value systems. It just amazes me that in Ohio, blue lights are ONLY for law enforcement, and when you cross the state line to the east, the blue lights become "courtesy lights" for volunteers....
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