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    Quote Originally Posted by Sprout View Post
    Here in WI red may be used by vol's in POV, no siren = obey traffic laws; may also park at scene irregardless of locaction if 360 degree visibilty night/day of the red flash/strobe/osc light, siren + red = is classified as an AEV responding TO an emergency as paged, wigwags only allowed if approved by chief and chief has filed as per state statute. Green is for command vehicle only (on scene if I read leg'n right). Blues only for LE. Whites can be used in Ambulances and School buses, unsure of other applicable instances.
    Question for WI residents though, I haven't read or found any info in state law regarding strobing/flashing/alternating tail (red) lights. Yes/No?
    Back home in ON as said above green is permitted for vol's in POV responding to emergency as paged, no siren allowed. It is the law for motorists to pull over so kind of in between a courtesy light and running code. Blues maybe used by snow removal and LE only. Reds FD, Ambulance and LE only. Purple only for funeral procession lead vehicle. Wigwags only LE, FD and Ambulances IIRC.
    As to the dead horse, I am a recently new resident to WI and this thread has been enlightening and beneficial, and is very timeless until a federal mandate regarding as such comes down.
    You seem to have a pretty good handle on light laws in Wisconsin. Make sure you have the Chief's OK for the siren as well. There is nothing regarding tail/back-up light flashing in the state. Most of the guys around here just have one or two red's to the rear instead of the tail flashers. It's avoids the whole "whacker" and "cop wanna be" flack you might get. To clarify, POV's can have white as well in combo with red. Good luck. Message me if you have any more questions.


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    I agree, but here's the kicker. The cost to change LEO's to a uniform standard will be costly.


    Quote Originally Posted by MetalMedic View Post
    I have a better plan.. Pass a federal law that makes the use, color and manner of display uniform so that there is only ONE right way to do it, and not a different way for every set of laws and value systems. It just amazes me that in Ohio, blue lights are ONLY for law enforcement, and when you cross the state line to the east, the blue lights become "courtesy lights" for volunteers....

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianB35 View Post
    I agree, but here's the kicker. The cost to change LEO's to a uniform standard will be costly.
    Nothing is cheap... and this is something that certainly could be done through attrition as equipment is replaced and upgraded. The law could easily be worded to require that any new or replacement emergency lighting equipment would meet the new standard. Where the expense would lie would be for the volunteers who do not wear out their equipment so quickly. Eventually, they would need to comply even though their lights may be in near perfect condition. The answer there is to get the emergency lighting manufacturers on board with buy-back offers... perhaps something that some of the "stimulus package" money could be used for. Making more lights makes more jobs (at least for those who make them in the USA).
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    Im on a small dept. in Oklahoma im not sure what the state laws are on this, I know a few guys that run some simple strobe packages. im pretty sure we are allowed some lights by law of course you have to get approved by local po,po's. Our city officers are talking about writting tickets to vol. responding to the station driving in exess of the speed limit how do you guys feel about this .

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    We use red/blue with siren , state statutes require we use all blue for volunteer but my depy allows red and blue in our pov.

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    Well this is probably a dumbguy question but I am getting back on a Vol Fire Dept in texas after serving in Italy for 3yrs with the USAF, What colors are we allowed to have and is a siren still required

    thanks guys

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    New Jersey DMV Hand book states that Blue & White Lights,electric horns and sirens are leagle to have how ever the police will give you a hard time about the sirens and horns!!!
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    Default POV lights

    I have a veritable Christmas tree on my vehicle.

    However, that was mainly for when I lived outside of town. Now that I live in town I rarely use my lights or siren. I generally use my lights when I go directly to the scene of a traffic accident. I go on more EMS calls than Fire calls.

    The last time I used my lights was when I was using my vehicle to close a road (we had to close three roads and we didn't want to use the apparatus since they were needed elsewhere).

    I feel as long as the person who is driving the vehicle is following the law they are entitled to as many lights as they are legally allowed. I admit...I can't stand seeing someone with fire department plates driving down the road honking their horn with only their hazards on. Put a little red light on your dash to properly identify yourself. Hazards just confuse people.

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    I'm with Nathan on this. If you are going to do it, then do it. Putting a tiny dash light on your vehicle and assuming people see you is a mistake.

    If you can afford the extra lights - use them. If anyone has a problem with the amount of warning lights you use, simply ignore them. In the end, why give a crap about what other people say about your "light setup."

    I mean..really? It's a couple blinki flashers on a car. Why this is such a hot issue with certain people...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveB304 View Post
    If you can afford the extra lights - use them. If anyone has a problem with the amount of warning lights you use, simply ignore them. In the end, why give a crap about what other people say about your "light setup."
    Dave, we do have one person on our department that has a really pathetic light on their dash. When it's light outside you can't even see the thing. At night you can see it, but you don't realize what it is.

    I get teased about my lights, but mine are all internal mounted lights and not the big lightbar on top.

    This is the front view of my car. There is sound with this youtube file and it's loud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveB304 View Post
    I'm with Nathan on this. If you are going to do it, then do it. Putting a tiny dash light on your vehicle and assuming people see you is a mistake.

    If you can afford the extra lights - use them. If anyone has a problem with the amount of warning lights you use, simply ignore them. In the end, why give a crap about what other people say about your "light setup."

    I mean..really? It's a couple blinki flashers on a car. Why this is such a hot issue with certain people...
    I agree with this... I am not for lighting up the thing like a christmas tree but don't waste your time and money going with something that no one will see. I simply have the Mini-Phantom kit (1 front and 2 rear deck lights)... they are wired seperate so I can use the rears if I am going to be operating on the side of the road / blocking traffic, staged on scene before the ambulance to give them a visual in a rural area as they come in, etc... these are rare events for me and I rarely even need to turn on the things period (I try to use the best judgement based on each call) I would say I use the front a half dozen times are year tops and the rears maybe 1 or 2 times a year. No one moves over for the lights here anyways if you are driivng so they are pretty pointless in that aspect.. just great for scene / traffic control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeremyt2627 View Post
    Well this is probably a dumbguy question but I am getting back on a Vol Fire Dept in texas after serving in Italy for 3yrs with the USAF, What colors are we allowed to have and is a siren still required

    thanks guys
    Easiest way to keep it all straight, your outer most lights must be red. So if you are going to run a lightbar then the corners must be red, if you runnng grille lights then outer most must be red, etc. This is the rules as i understand them and is in no way the proven correct way, but i have had some of the deputies around here say that i am correct. My department is in east texas.

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    As a firefighter/emt here in arkansas. all fire depts (vol. and paid), and ems (vol. and paid) must use red lights. Blue are for police, sheriffs, etc. Know for POV's were allowed to have Red, Amber, or white as long as lights can been seen from all angles of the vehical. When it comes to sirens though I am still unsure. A friend of mine who is a state trooper says that only emergency vehicals are allowed sirens but when running lights and responding were considered an emergency vehical. Then he states that it has to be a marked emergency vehical but unmarked police units have sirens. If anyone knows i would definitly like to find out.

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    well after years of blue lights and sirens being courtesy lights they have changed the law,where u still have to run the siren with the light, everybody is supposed to yield the right of way,sometimes it happens sometimes it doesnt.As aAssistant Chief im allowed to run reds along with blues which help get through traffic sometimes faster,but i always teach my kids and vollies safety first,clears and ambers are also allowed but no reds unless they are hideaways in the stocklocation rearward.....
    most of all drive safe

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    Quote Originally Posted by FLFD138 View Post
    New Jersey DMV Hand book states that Blue & White Lights,electric horns and sirens are leagle to have how ever the police will give you a hard time about the sirens and horns!!!
    What NJ handbook states this? I have yet to hear of/see this
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    Wow, not too many Minnesotan's on here, is there? I skimmed through the whole thread and never saw any mention of MN law. I'll look it up, but I can say with certainty, that I have never seen or heard of vollies in MN ever responding to their station for a call with any kind of lights on their POV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slaytallica45 View Post
    What NJ handbook states this? I have yet to hear of/see this
    You and I know it doesn't exist.

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