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    Originally posted by Eng522ine
    PFPCHEIF..... I have heard from a cop friend of mine that blue lights are no longer courtesy lights in NJ. Drivers MUST yeild the right of way the same as they do for a red light.
    I usually don't post on these tired, old, beaten to death threads....but I'll just post the applicable NJ statutes.

    39:3-54.7. Display of emergency warning lights
    1. An active member in good standing of a volunteer fire company or a volunteer first aid or rescue squad recognized by and rendering service in any municipality may display on any motor vehicle driven by him an emergency warning light or lights as provided in this act. The Director of Motor Vehicles shall not require the member to specify on which motor vehicles the emergency warning light or lights may be mounted.

    L.1977,c.223,s.1; amended 1979,c.71,s.1; 1995,c.37.s.1.

    39:3-54.8. Time of operation
    Emergency warning lights may be operated only while the vehicle is being used in answering a fire or emergency call.

    L.1977, c. 223, s. 2, eff. Sept. 16, 1977.

    39:3-54.9. Specifications
    Emergency warning lights shall be temporarily attached, removable lights of the flashing or revolving type, not more than 7 1/2 inches in diameter, equipped with a blue lens and a lamp of not more than 51 candlepower and shall be controlled by a switch installed inside the vehicle.

    L.1977, c. 223, s. 3, eff. Sept. 16, 1977. Amended by L.1979, c. 71, s. 2, eff. April 10, 1979.

    39:3-54.10. Placement on motor vehicle
    No more than two emergency warning lights shall be installed on a vehicle. If one light is used it shall be installed in the center of the roof of the car, or on the left windshield column in a position where a spotlight is normally located, or on the front of the vehicle so that the top of the emergency warning light is no higher than the top of the vehicle's headlights. If two lights are used they may be placed on the windshield columns on each side of the vehicle where spotlights are normally mounted, or on either side of the roof at the front of the vehicle directly back of the top of the windshield. Under no circumstances may one light be placed on the roof and one on the windshield column in the spotlight position.

    L.1977, c. 223, s. 4, eff. Sept. 16, 1977. Amended by L.1979, c. 71, s. 3, eff. April 10, 1979.

    39:3-54.11. Identification cards; issuance
    5. The Director of Motor Vehicles shall prepare suitable identification cards bearing the signature of the director which, upon the request of the mayor or chief executive officer of any municipality recognizing and being served by a volunteer fire company or a volunteer first aid or rescue squad on a form and in a manner prescribed by the director, shall be forwarded to the mayor or chief executive officer, to be countersigned and issued by the mayor or chief executive officer to the members in good standing of the volunteer fire company or first aid or rescue squad. Identification cards issued pursuant to this section shall be considered permits to display and operate emergency warning lights as provided for in this act and shall apply to any motor vehicle driven by the member of a volunteer fire company or a volunteer first aid or rescue squad. Emergency warning lights shall not be mounted prior to the issuance of the identification cards. Each member of a volunteer fire company or a volunteer first aid or rescue squad must carry the identification card while an emergency warning light or lights are displayed on his vehicle.

    L.1977,c.223,s.5; amended 1995,c.37,s.2.

    39:3-54.12. Rights of motor vehicle with light in operation
    Nothing contained herein is intended to grant to any member of a volunteer fire company or a volunteer first aid or rescue squad any privileges or exemptions denied to the drivers of other vehicles, and such members displaying emergency warning lights shall drive with due regard for the safety of all persons and shall obey all the traffic laws of this State, provided, however, that the drivers of non-emergency vehicles upon any highway shall yield the right of way to the vehicle of any member of a volunteer fire company or a volunteer first aid or rescue squad displaying emergency warning lights in the same manner as is provided for authorized emergency vehicles pursuant to R.S. 39:4-92.(see Below)

    L.1977, c. 223, s. 6, eff. Sept. 16, 1977.

    39:4-92. Authorized emergency vehicles; clearance for; following or parking near
    Upon the immediate approach of an authorized emergency vehicle giving audible signal, and equipped, as required by section 39:4-91 of this Title, and unless otherwise directed by a police or traffic officer,

    (a) The driver of every vehicle shall immediately drive to a position as near as possible and parallel to the right-hand edge or curb of the highway, clear of an intersection of highways, and shall stop and remain in that position until the authorized emergency vehicle has passed and

    (b) The driver or person in control of a street car shall immediately stop the car clear of an intersection of highways and keep it stationary until the authorized emergency vehicle has passed.

    No driver of any vehicle other than one on official business shall follow any authorized emergency vehicle, traveling in response to an emergency call, closer than 300 feet, or drive nearer to, or park the vehicle within 200 feet of, where any fire apparatus has stopped in answer to a fire alarm.



    And yes....51 candlepower is absurd. Enforced? Less than never.

    And here's a little known statute...but absolutely factual..and I know law enforcement busts your chops about this.

    39:4-92.1. Fire department vehicle returning to fire station; flashing red lights
    It shall be lawful for any fire department vehicle when returning to its fire station from an emergency call to display a flashing red light visible under normal atmospheric conditions from a distance of at least 500 feet to the rear of the vehicle and no driver of any vehicle other than one on official business shall follow any such vehicle displaying said light closer than 300 feet.
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    Wasn't this topic DEAD 3 years ago?

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    Well, here, we aren't allowed to use lights on POV's because they create a danger to citizens and motorists alike. We figure not everyone has an EVOC class or is an Apparatus driver, so we don't need a bunch of people who have no clue about driving/operating emergency vehicles running up and down the road chasing EMS assist runs.

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    Why not go here and discuss something more important:
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    I have a little blue bubble light that I use when I'm stopped along the road at MVA's or to mark a loctaion for the ambulance... BUT I learned never to leave it up there when responding. Hit a bump and that ba$@#%d came uh... Unmagneted, or what the fudge ever, and smashed all over the road. It's just not worth it, you can't (or shouldn't) exceed the speed limit anyway; the other cars are going as fast as you are (excluding flatlanders and old people). So why do you need one for that?

    Not trying to offend the whackers, but the only use I see them fit for is being parked along the road to get the attention of other drivers so they don't plow anyone down.

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    Post ILLINOIS LIGHT INFO

    HERE IS THE RUN DOWN ON ILLINOIS LAW FOR ILLINOIS POC'S/POV'S:

    RED LIGHTS TO THE FRONT = NOT ALLOWED
    RED LIGHTS TO THE REAR = NOTHING STATED (HOWEVER, WHAT COLOR ARE THE TAIL-LIGHTS ON CARS?)

    AMBER LIGHTS TO THE FRONT/REAR = ONLY FOR TOW TRUCKS & CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES.

    BLUE LIGHTS TO THE FRONT/REAR = ALLOWED
    (THIS IS NO RESTRICTION [ANY MORE] ON LIGHT PLACEMENT. YOU CAN HAVE LIGHTS ANYWHERE ON THE VEHICLE, INCLUDING HEAD-LIGHT FLASHERS. HOWEVER EVERYTHING MUST MEET THE MINIUM VISIBILITY REQUIREMENTS.)

    CLEAR LIGHTS CAN BE COMBO'D WITH BLUE OR AMBER - BUT TO THE FRONT ONLY. CLEAR TO THE REAR IS NOT ALLOWED (TOO BLINDING).

    PURPLE IS USUALLY USED FOR FUNERALS.

    NOTHING STATED FOR GREEN LIGHTS (MOST OF THE FIRE TRUCKS BY ME RUN RED & GREEN LIGHTS [GUESS WHERE IM LOCATED])

    SIRENS ARE NOT ALLOWED AT ALL.


    NOW THIS IS WHAT ILLINOIS LAW STATES. EACH INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENT OR DISTRICT MAY HAVE THEIR OWN SET OF RESTRICTIONS FOR LIGHTS. MY DISTRICT HAS SOME, BUT I CAN STILL LAND A PLANE WHEN ANSWERING CALLS.

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    In the state of WEST VIRGINIA, firefighters and EMS personnel are allowed to run red-lights, and I think along w/ the red-lights they can run clear and/ or amber lights. But, regardless of the combo he/she choses, a siren has to be on whenever the lights are going. And, in order to run the lights, the firefighter has to obtain a red-light permit which licenses the vehicle as quote-unqote fire aparatus, and they can break all the same traffic laws as any fire-truck or ambulance can.

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    Originally posted by nmfire
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    Stop that. It causes Dain Bramage. I know. It happened to me.

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    Originally posted by cellblock
    Stop that. It causes Dain Bramage. I know. It happened to me.
    you know, I was going to write a witty follow up... but sometimes it's best to let a statement speak for itself...
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    Bought a house two blocks from the fire house. I'm the officer on the second due rig EVERY time. First due is supposed to lay into themselves, so me and whover my crew is usualy end up first in the door on a job.

    That said, Colrado just pased a law requiring state a state issued permit to run lights and sirens on POVs, because some sicko pulled a gal over (fake cop car) and killed her. I used to have lights and a siren, but when I put a lift and big tires on my truck, the light bar kept getting crunched by branches. So I moved closer to the fire house and now it's all good.
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    Wyoming FF/Red lights and siren allowed in state but varies by dept. For example my dept. doesn't want us using R/S as we're just a small pop. of 2,000. So the state allows it but it's up to each dept. whether they want you to use it or not.

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    Originally posted by firefighter184
    That said, Colrado just pased a law requiring state a state issued permit to run lights and sirens on POVs, because some sicko pulled a gal over (fake cop car) and killed her.
    wait, are you saying that beforehand you didn't need any kind of permit to run lights and sirens in Colorado? and, for the record, do u think requiring a permit is going to prevent some sicko from doing this again?
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    Originally posted by DrParasite


    wait, are you saying that beforehand you didn't need any kind of permit to run lights and sirens in Colorado? and, for the record, do u think requiring a permit is going to prevent some sicko from doing this again?

    Yup, up until about three weeks ago, no permit required. I personally like the permit thing, because it forces our chief to take a personal responsibility for the guys he issues permits to. Maybe he'll stop letting these 18 year old kids run lights and sirens.

    Owens Signs Police Impersonation Bill

    On 25 May, Governor Owens signed H.B. 1003, stiffening the penalty for impersonating a police officer and criminalizing the use or possession of red and blue lights. The new law goes into effect 1 July, 2004.



    As part of the new law, fire chiefs can issue permits to firefighters and ambulance personnel for their personnel vehicles. We met with the police chiefs and the sheriffs to discuss the permit process. We STRONGLY RECOMMEND that you utilize the Department of Revenue’s emergency vehicle permit forms. We are going to meet with the Department of Revenue to develop a new form and to get them distributed to you before the law goes into effect. So stay tuned.



    In the mean time, if your department allows the use of emergency warning equipment on personal vehicles, please let us know so we can get you the forms. If you want forms sent to you, please let Lori Nichols (mailto:lori@coloradofirechiefs.org or 303-444-FIRE) know how many forms you need.
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    While working a paid shift at the station this week I was talking to a co-worker and a friend of his who was visiting the station after getting off work. As our visitor sat there drinking his after work beer we started talking about lights on POVs. I found out that one of our most active members had recently been pulled over by the local Police for running code in his POV to the bank. He was trying to get to the bank before it closed and ran lights and siren to get there faster. The officer gave him a warning and let him go.
    Our visitor told how he borrowed the POV of a vollie who was also a deputy sherrif. They got stuck in traffic in Baton Rouge and turned on the light and siren to bust through the gridlock. It worked too until BRPD pulled them over. They got detained, the vehicle got impounded and the deputies' duty carry .40 cal Glock which was in a storage compartment on the inside of the drivers door was seized until he could get his supervisor to explain why he had left it unsecured in the truck when he loaned it to his friends.
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    in Vermont the lights are red for fire and ambulnace blue for police.
    as for lights for vol ff/emt you have red you can have any shapr form. You are to have a permit for the light that you get from the state but needs to be signed for my the chief of your dept. you have have a siren. But to me as a vol ff/emt you don't need it. most people move out of your way when they see the lights.

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    In TN, vol\paid FF can run any combination of red lights as long as they have been approved by the fire marshall (ie anything ambulances\fire trucks etc...have)

    Police run blue lights
    and the Rescue Squad is not supposed to run ANY lights POV unless you are a chief, but many people do anyway..it is kind of "overlooked"

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    In this part of Ms. we mostly use red, red/white, but I have seen every combination under the sun. As long as it is not Blue.
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    The great State of Georgia allows the following combinations:

    Fire: Red/White/Yellow (Offset)
    EMS: Red/White/ Yellow (Offset)
    Wrecker: Yellow
    Hearse: Yellow
    Police: Blue (Yellow Offset)

    Fire Department Command units Also are allowed to have a green light. I have never personally seen this used while E/R. Also to run lights and siren in a POV in Georgia you must have the state issued permit. In order to get the permit you must have Both lights and a Siren along with some red tape paperwork from the chiefs.
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    A little known fact in Iowa, volunteers can run red/blue with siren! All they have to do is get the Mayors approval and fill out some state paper work !!! Sometimes I wish it were easier than that!!! Our Haz-Mat garage is a ten minute drive for me!
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    My God, its amazing how this type topic generates so much discussion in these volly forums.

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    MARION COUNTY, FLORIDA......NO GO ON VOLUNTEER LIGHTS

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    Quote Originally Posted by SharpTJ View Post
    In TN, vol\paid FF can run any combination of red lights as long as they have been approved by the fire marshall (ie anything ambulances\fire trucks etc...have)

    Police run blue lights
    and the Rescue Squad is not supposed to run ANY lights POV unless you are a chief, but many people do anyway..it is kind of "overlooked"

    You stand corrected. Here is the Statue

    "55-9-402. Lights required on motor vehicles - Exceptions - Regulations as to color, type and visibility distance.

    (d) (1) No vehicle operated in this state shall be equipped with any flashing red or white light or any combination of red or white lights which displays to the front of such vehicle except school buses, a passenger motor vehicle operated by a rural mail carrier of the United States postal service while performing the duties of a rural mail carrier, authorized law enforcement vehicles only when used in combination with a flashing blue light, and emergency vehicles used in firefighting, including ambulances, emergency vehicles used in firefighting which are owned or operated by the division of forestry, firefighting vehicles, rescue vehicles, privately owned vehicles of regular or volunteer firefighters certified in § 55-9-201©, or other emergency vehicles used in firefighting owned, operated, or subsidized by the governing body of any county or municipality.

    (2) Any emergency rescue vehicle owned, titled and operated by a state chartered rescue squad, a member of the Tennessee Association of Rescue Squads, privately owned vehicles of regular or volunteer firefighters certified in § 55-9-201©, and marked with lettering at least three inches (3") in size and displayed on the left and right sides of the vehicle designating it an "Emergency Rescue Vehicle," any authorized civil defense emergency vehicle displaying the appropriate civil defense agency markings of at least three inches (3"), and any ambulance or vehicle equipped to provide emergency medical services properly licensed as required in the state of Tennessee and displaying the proper markings, shall also be authorized to be lighted in one (1) or more of the following manners:

    (A) A red or red/white visibar type with public address system;

    ( A red or red/white oscillating type light; and

    © Blinking red or red/white lights, front and rear. "

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    In my rural county in Tennessee, it depends on what fire department you belong to. Out of the eleven volunteer dept.s, three allow red or red/white lights & siren, two allow courtesy lights in the form of wig wags & or headlight & taillight strobes. The dept.s allowing only courtesy lights are not allowed to violate any traffic laws & must turn them off when stopped at a traffic light to prevent confusing other drivers. The other six dept.s don't allow any lights while responding POV. This is mainly due to at one time or another they've had someone driving wrecklessly & ruined it for everyone else on their dept.
    I'm not aware of any volunteer EMS agencies that are left in operation in TN. A neighboring county's rescue squad however, can run blue in combination with red & siren (they were chartered under the federal govt with civil defense & give this as the reason why they can use blue).

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