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    Default WHO GETS ELECTED???

    What is your departments chain of command structure?

    Elected or appointed?

    For example our department:

    Chief,
    3 Asst. Chiefs
    2 Captians
    2-4 Lts.

    The four Chief positions are elected the Captians and LTs. are apointed by the Chiefs.
    I'm looking to slimline the amount of brass and propose that they all be elected by the department as a whole.

    What do you think and how is your department structured?
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    1 Chief
    1 Asst. Chief
    3 Captains
    6 Lieutenants
    1 Chief Engineer (rank of LT)
    1 Communications Officer (rank of LT)

    All of them are elected by the membership. They used to be elected for life, until we ousted our tyrant Chief. Now they have to go for a vote of confidence every x number of years depending on what rank they are.

    For every position, people sign their name to a list. The Board of Directors reviews the list and decides who is qualified. The qualified people then take an oral test administered by Chiefs from other departments. They used to have to take a written test but concluded that it had its flaws. Once the people take their test, the Board chooses the top 2 people for the position (or 1 more than the number of open positions). Those people that the Board chooses go to the membership to vote.

    To be a LT, you have to be in for 3 years (2 if you were an officer in another FD), be FF1, be qualified on all the trucks, and have been in good standing for at least one year prior to the election. To be a Captain, you have to be a LT for 3 years. To be an Assistant Chief, you have to be a Captain for 3 (or maybe 2) years. I can't remember if you can be a Captain and go to Chief or if you have to be Asst. Chief first.

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    A slight hybrid of two departments (in totally different states) that seem to work well:

    Lieutenants & Captains appointed based on "resume & record" *and* Oral Board. In both cases, the Oral Board consists of three Chiefs from neighboring departments. Being nearby, those Chiefs are familiar with local practices, tactics, strategy, etc...but are removed from the individual department's "politics." At least one of those departments the line officers appointments are for one year periods, and the three Chiefs give them a performance review them annually.

    In one department, which is incorporated, the Chief, Deputy, and Assistant are elected by the membership every two years. In the other, a municipal department, the Chief is appointed by the Town. In either case, the "career path" is appointment by the department to a Lieutenant then Captain followed by election to Chief or appointment by the municipality.
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    1 chief
    2 district chiefs
    6 capts
    4 sgt.
    u have to pass a test for sgt. and capt. then for district chief the 2 capts that have been around the longest r voted by the ff's. for the chiefs position it is usually been in the past which ever dist chief(or then asst chief) that wants it takes it. If neither than the ff's vote.
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    1-Chief
    2-Assistant Chiefs
    1-Captain
    1-Lieutenant
    1-Safety Officer

    We have about 30 members on our roster.
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    1 Chief
    1 Deputy Chief
    1-2 Captains
    5 Executive officers

    The Chief and Deputy Chief are elected every two years at the same time. Captains are appointed by the chief.

    Ok, here is the election process:

    Applicants put their name on a list, submit a resume and cover letter. From there, they are invited to an interview in front of a pannel. This pannel is a chief from another department (not a mutial aid department) an administrator from the district and the human resources director from the district. From there, the pannel makes an eligibility list based on resume and interview. This list is who the members can vote on. 1 member, 1 vote. We have two problems with this system:
    1. The two people from the district have NO Fire Service experience. None, notta, nothing.
    2Resumes are never checked. Not once was the department contacted to verify certificates, training, attendance, or even if the applicate was a member.

    "Executive Officers" are regular firefighers or officers that are appointed by the chief. Positions include:
    SCBA Officer - Harnesses and cylinders
    Engineering Officer - Apparatus and small engines
    Equipment Officer - Misc. Equipment
    First Responder Officer - Medical Equipment
    Fire Prevention Officer - Fire Prevention

    Basically, each "executive officer" looks after their own area and report to the chief on their progress and needs etc.
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    exeter park vol. hose comp.
    1-chief
    1-deputy chief
    1- asst. chief
    2-capts
    1-LT.
    WE ARE VOTED IN FOR A 1 YEAR TERM.
    In order to run for a poistion you must meet company qualifications,and have so much time in the comp.Then the members vote for 1 person for each position.
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    In two departments I was a member of, all line officer positions were nominated and elected by the membership. Usually we ended up with a pretty good crew.

    In a third department, the Board of Directors selected the Chief through a submitted resume and an oral interview, and the successful candidate then presented his slate of line officers to the Board for their approval. While the Board could conceivably disapprove any of the Chief's selections, it rarely happened. This caused many rank-and-file members to base their selections for the administrative officers solely on who they favored for the Chief's spot, since there were candidates for the Chief's position who would promise their friends an officer's spot if they were selected. One person in particular told more than twenty people that he would put them in the command structure... no mean feat when there were only 9 positions available.

    What this department ended up with more often than not was the "good ol' boy" network with some unqualified yahoos in command positions. Not exactly conducive to a well-run department, IMO. And yes, I attempted to change the selection process through amendment... and it was defeated both times. Whatcha gonna do???
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    Our fiematic offices are elected or appointed for 1 yr terms.

    Chief
    1st Asst. Chief
    2nd Asst. Chief
    3 Captains
    3 elected Lt.
    up to 4 appointed Lt.
    Fire Police Captain
    2 Fire Police Lt.

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    Our structure is:
    1 Chief
    1 Assistant Chief
    2 Captains
    6 Lieutenants

    The Chief is appointed by the Board. Qualified applicants put in resumes and letters of intent then appear before a selection committee comprised of members of the board and outside experts in the field. The board then votes based on their comments/recommendations.

    The officers are chosen by the Chief and approved by the Board. I have yet to see the board turn down a Chief's recommendations on officers.

    It works well for the most part, but unfortunately we've ended up with officers that were totally unqualified because of friendships and loyalties in the past. There is no perfect solution. You have to hope the choice in Chief is someone that will make professional decisions not personal ones.
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    1 Chief
    2 Asst Chiefs
    2 Capts
    3 Lts

    All nominated and elected by membership every April, along with the Secretary and Treasurer. The Chief makes appointments such as Safety Officers, Fire Police and Quarter Master.
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    We have
    1 Chief
    2 Assistent Chiefs
    6 Captains
    6 Lieutenants

    They are elected yearly from the active membership (first serve a 6 month probationary period then a certain amount of time as Active reserve usually 4 to 6 months till active) and must be active members and have at least 24 hours of new training yearly and served at the next lowest position first (i.e. to be a captain you have to be Lieutenant first).

    Of course this system has been compromised by a lack of truely active Active Members who don't have any real idea about who knows what and is good at the job to make a good decision at election time which reduces it down to personality contests.

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    Fire/Rescue
    Chief
    3 Asst. Chiefs
    1 Capt
    2 Lt's

    EMS
    EMS Capt.
    2 EMS Lt's

    The Chief and EMS Capt are elected to a 2 year term. All other officers are elected to a 1 year term. The active crew vote for all officers. There are different age, training, and experience criteria for each position, however it is not very difficult to attain these few things if you give it the slightest bit of effort.

    [ 10-29-2001: Message edited by: EWFC47 ]
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    Our department's officials are elected, However there has been no competition for the past few years because the current chief raised the standards for the chiefs position and he is the only one in the department that meets those standards.
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    Chief - Appointed by city council = "Paid Chief"

    Asst Chief = appointed via chief
    Asst Chief = appointed via chief
    Rescue Cpn = appointed via chief
    Medical Of = appointed via chief
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    Our Station is the following:

    #01 - Chief -- Elected by the Membership
    #02 - Deputy Chief -- Appointed by the Chief
    #03 - Asstiant Chief - Appointed by Chief
    #04 - Captain - Appointed by the Chief
    #05 - Captain - Appointed by the Chief
    #06 - Captain - Appointed by the Chief
    #07 - Lieutenant - Appointed by the Chief
    #08 - Lieutenant - Appointed by the Chief
    #09 - Lieutenant - Appointed by the Chief

    President - Elected by the Membership
    Vice Pres - Elected by the Membership
    Rec. Secretery - Elected by Membership
    Tresasurer - Elected by Membership
    Financial Secretery - Elected by Membership
    Board of Directors - Elected by Membership

    35 Volunteer Firefighters which are maintained and reviewed by the line officers and brought into membership by the body under the direction of the Company Sergent at arms
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    Here in Belltown we have:

    1 Chief
    1 Asst. CHief
    2 Captains
    2 Lieutenants

    We also have Executive Officers who have no firefighting command role:

    1 President
    1 Vice President
    3 Trustees
    1 Treasurer
    1 Asst. Treasurer
    1 Sgt. at Arms

    All officers are elected by the membership. Chief serves a 2 year term. Trustee Serves a 3 year term (1 elected every year)All others serve a 1 year term. We have two written tests for members. 2nd class which is required to come off of probation and is required to run for the executive offices. 1st class which is required to run for the line offices. All candidates must have been a member of the Dept. for two years at time of election.

    If for anyreason there are no candidates for an office the Chief can appoint an acting officer for a limited time or a special election can be held for the lowest position. The meeting can also decide to leave a position vacant.

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    Well I'm in a very small Dept. We have:

    1 Chief
    1 Asst. chief
    1 Capt.


    They are elected by the members every Jan. Usaully you get elected if you came to the meeting and forgot it was election time. No, Actually we only have 8 firefighters, the top 3 with the most training and experiance get the jobs. We also have a secratary and a treasure.

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    Chain of command in the SA Country Fire Service (State of South Australia that is) is as follows:
    It is broken into two streams, at station level the number of Officers is determined by the size (number of firefighters) your station is determined to be, under an all encompassing document known as the SOFC (Standards of fire cover). Our station has approximately forty active Firefighters.
    From the top of the chain at station level we are prescribed to and do have.
    1 Captain
    4 Lieutenants
    4 Senior Firefighters
    We also have an Officer (not always an active fire fighter) for the following roles.
    SCBA
    Communications
    Safety (liason)
    Logistics
    Bushfire prevention (liason)
    Driving
    Training
    Administation
    Assistant Admin (finance)

    All of the positions are open to all members to nominate for and are then voted for on a Bi-annual basis. On the operational side the positions are filled out using the more experienced and skilled members for the job. On the non core operational side it can get to be a bit bitchy as to who does what. You get people doing the job because they like the idea of holding a position and their mates back them up with the numbers at election time. But that my friends is democracy, let the best connected candidate win. Not that I can complain, as I get talked into taking on positions by the Captain!
    Beyond the brigade there is a Group (collective of brigades) structure made up , in our groups case of the Group Officer and four Deputy Group Officers, Group training officer, admin officer etc.
    the above are all Volunteeers, then there is the Regional structure (collective of groups, six in total) and then state structure including the Chief Officer (who is retiring at the end of the year, best of luck Stuart.) and the board (With some volunteer representation on it) which then answers directly to our Minister for Emergency services. These guys are all career staff, I have missed a few positions out on the career staff side but I think you get the picture.

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    My department consists of 5 companies. There is one fire chief who is elected to serve a 5 year term. Each company also has an assistant chief. From that point on, the make-up of the companies varies. My company elects the assistant chief and captain in an election at large every year. We've had the same assistant chief and captain since 1975.The assistant chief and captain appoint line officers,(lts.) and truck officers(engs.). This system works for us because since the assistant chief is responsible for the actions of the company at an incident, he can choose those he feels will be best suited for the line positions. This eliminates the popularity contest types of elections that other organizations have to endure. Perhaps this method may or may not work for other groups. Our membership has enough confidence in our assistant chief nd captain to make the right decision. An important criteria for a line officer appointment is training, experience, maturity(in actions not age) and the amount of calls taken.

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    Chief
    Asst.Chief
    Deputy Chief /Training Officer
    Captain
    2 LT
    Medical Officer

    The Chief, Asst Chief , Capt. LT are elected each year by the members the Deputy Chief and Medical officer is set by the chief.

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    Our dept has 2 structures... a command structure for emergency incidents, and a business structure for the day to day operation.

    The command structure is as follows:

    Chief
    Deputy Chief
    Asst Deputy Chief
    3 Captains
    2 Lt's

    The Chief, DC, and ADC are all elected from the floor. The Chief and Executive recommend the captains and lt's, as well as a Fire Prevention Coordinator. they are then voted from the floor for acceptance.

    The Executive consists of the Chief, Deputy, ADC, a secretary and a treasurer. All five are elected from the floor. Currently our secretary and treasurer are also our two senior captains.

    the fire prevention coordinator is one of the lt's.
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    WE HAVE: 1-CHIEF
    1-ASST CHIEF
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    3-CAPT.
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    OUR CHIEF HAS BEEN CHIEF FOR 37 YEARS. YOU BECOME AN OFFICER BY YOUR SENIORITY AND TRAINING AND ATTENDENCE WHICH IS DECIDED BY THE OTHER OFFICERS FIRE BOARD HAS FINAL SAY FOR CHIEF. OUR OFFICERS STAY AROUND A LONG TIME, I'VE BEEN A MEMBER FOR 13 YRS AND STILL A FIREFIGHTER. I LIKE BEING A FIREFIGHTER YOU GET IN LESS TROUBLE!!!

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