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    I can understand the no porn on the city owned computer, but magazines, come on. What happened to our right of free speech and expression? I canít believe someone would bitch about another person with a Playboy or Penthouse magazine. Christ, magazines at the store check out counter probably have worse pictures in them.
    What about the guy who screams it his right to have magazines that have pictures of terrorists that he loves, or non-consensual sex, or the guy who loves to read about other men and leaves his magazine around. Still supportive of free speech? You are on duty in a building that is a hall of honor and because times have changed, and will continue to do so, that is no longer acceptable. Read it at home where it belongs. If it is taxpayer owned and operated there are rules. If this guy could not follow them, then he gets the first ticket on the "Out of Here Express".

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    Default It wasn't just porn...

    Firefighter On Leave Pending Porn Inquiry
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    ST. PETE BEACH -- A St. Pete Beach firefighter has been placed on paid administrative leave, pending an investigation into whether child pornography was accessed on Fire Department computers.

    The firefighter, Lt. Crist Fellman, a 20-year veteran of the department, was placed on leave after a television station reported his name last week.

    Fire Chief Fred Golliner will not say whether Fellman is the firefighter under investigation, only that he placed Fellman on leave after his name was reported publicly.

    Vice Mayor John Phillips said working on fire calls would have been difficult for Fellman if residents recognized him from newscasts.

    "When they put his picture out and his name, (Golliner) felt it was only fair to Crist," Phillips said.

    Fellman, 40, was named Florida's Emergency Medical Technician of the Year in 1997. He was awarded the honor partly because of a drowning safety program he helped organize. He also helped train hundreds of people in cardiopulmonary resuscitation.

    St. Pete Beach police confiscated two computers two weeks ago after Golliner reported to police that Fire Department computers might have been used to access child pornography.

    The investigation is continuing, with the Florida Department of Law Enforcement analyzing the computers and local police investigating firefighters.


    Anybody notice that it wasn't just pornography, it was child pornography? What do you think now?
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    I don't know whether Tailboard_Jockey intentionally left out the next article from St. Petes Times dated Oct. 13, but will give him/here the benefit of the doubt. Here it is:

    St. Petersburg Times; St. Petersburg, Fla.; Oct 13, 2001; AMY WIMMER;

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    A 767-page internal affairs investigation released Friday revealed that Lt. Crist Fellman, a former Florida Emergency Medical Technician of the Year who has been with the department for 20 years, visited Web porn sites and participated in sexually explicit chat rooms while on duty.

    Fire Chief Fred Golliner will meet with Fellman Tuesday to discuss his recommendation that the firefighter, whom Golliner helped get hired in the early 1980s, be terminated.

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    The fire chief is expected to recommend firing a lieutenant accused of accessing pornography on city computers, pending the outcome of a meeting Tuesday between the chief, the firefighter and his lawyer.

    A 767-page internal affairs investigation released Friday revealed that Lt. Crist Fellman, a former Florida Emergency Medical Technician of the Year who has been with the department for 20 years, visited Web porn sites and participated in sexually explicit chat rooms while on duty.

    Allegations against Fellman initially included charges that he also accessed child pornography on Fire Department computers. But St. Pete Beach police Capt. Todd Kirchgraber, who did the investigation, said that charge was unfounded.

    Investigators did uncover materials that fall into a category called "child erotica," but they were not pornographic.

    A Florida Department of Law Enforcement analysis of two Fire Department computers recovered 308 sexually explicit images from the hard drives. One hard drive was confiscated from a fire station in north St. Pete Beach; the other came from the Pass-a-Grille station.

    Fire Chief Fred Golliner will meet with Fellman Tuesday to discuss his recommendation that the firefighter, whom Golliner helped get hired in the early 1980s, be terminated.

    The State Attorney's Office is reviewing the case to determine whether criminal charges will be filed. Investigators there did not return phone calls Friday, but Golliner said the office is still investigating.


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    Still not nice news but not child pornography. Let's also not dismiss the idea that this material may have been planted by the medic involved. How many of us have neglected to log out,leaving others to access under our account?

    Let's be careful not to crucefy either party until all the news comes out.

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    I can only assume that the Lt has hired himself a good lawyer.

    As for pornographic material...he knew the rules, and the consequences...I would think that some discipline other than termination was in order though.

    As for "child" pornographic material...refer to my first line, this Lt.'s lawyer(s) should have a field day for those who alleged this. It's worse to falsely accuse someone of being a child pornogapher than it is to look at (legal-age) smut on a city-owned computer.

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    I think I will reserve any more comments until the facts have sorted themselves out. I think the Lt. was wrong for violating policy, but perhaps there is more to this than meets they eye. I think investigators should look hard at "who" found it. Just my pennies worth.

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    Time to hand this guy a STUPID sign. Officers lead by example.

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    Originally posted by chuxter
    I don't know whether Tailboard_Jockey intentionally left out the next article from St. Petes Times dated Oct. 13, but will give him/here the benefit of the doubt.
    No, I did not intentionally leave out the next article. The one that I posted was the only one that I found.
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    The guy is a first class loser. Knew the rules and chose to do it anyway. He's outta there. No sympathy from me.

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    He's probably lucky this woman hasn't found a way to sue him for sexual harassment.

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    Originally posted by littlemissemtstudent
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    That comment was totally uncalled for.

    OK littlemiss if you ever come to washington state or to southern calif. Hell where ever you go please let every guy at that station know how you are first, it should be the first thing that comes out of your mouth.
    Let them know that your the type of women that will snoop.

    I heard cuba is looking for emt's


    As for lady in turn outs, and for lady capt. I would be more then pleased to work with you anytime!

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    We really do not have enough information to pass judgement on the Lt. I think Box is a little off base when he wants my employer to regulate what I can read while on my free time at work. I sure as hell wouldnt want to work with someone who likes kiddie porn or even "child erotica"..whatever the hell that is. Things have changed alot in my firehouse. We used to have a locker labeled "the library". I myself do not read girlie mags at work ..Whats the point? As I stated in a previous post, L.A. firefighters won a Supreme Court ruling that stated as long as no one else had to see it, They could read Plyboy etc. while on duty..Any Los Angeles brothers out there? Please correct me if I am wrong..Box, you may not like what I read at work but as long as I dont leave it laying around or keep it in your view, you shouldnt worry about it. Next it will be no rated R movies and so on so on...

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    Once again I will say that as an officer, someone who is supposed to make sure that the people working underneath him follow rules and regulations, Lt Fellman is held at a higher standard than the ordinary tailboard firefighter. He knew of the Zero Tolerance policy, therefore he has no leg to stand on. Regardless of the dubious way the information was found, he broke one of the rules he as a supervisor is supposed to enforce.

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    Granted the guy was wrong, but to terminate a 20 year vet. Couln't this have been done behind closed doors? WE all know FF are high strung, that's what makes them FF. Someone said there are more questions than answers. I agree. I think that there may be alot more people involved here than they are saying, expecially when she went looking for something and found it. And if I found that someone was in my personal belonings while I was on a call, look the H*** out. And if some females get offended, you are going to have a long road to travel. I have been around the fire service all my life. Boys will be boys, they all have the harmone thing going on. Whether you see or hear it, or not. If it had been me, I would have hit delete, before someone saw it that didn't need to see it. And you couldn't pay me enough to work with her. rm41
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    Originally posted by redmedusa41
    Granted the guy was wrong, but to terminate a 20 year vet. Couln't this have been done behind closed doors? WE all know FF are high strung, that's what makes them FF. Someone said there are more questions than answers. I agree. I think that there may be alot more people involved here than they are saying, expecially when she went looking for something and found it. And if I found that someone was in my personal belonings while I was on a call, look the H*** out. And if some females get offended, you are going to have a long road to travel. I have been around the fire service all my life. Boys will be boys, they all have the harmone thing going on. Whether you see or hear it, or not. If it had been me, I would have hit delete, before someone saw it that didn't need to see it. And you couldn't pay me enough to work with her. rm41

    I couldn't disagree with you more. To have handled this behind closed doors quite possibly could have backfired on the department once the word got out. Obviously the word got out since it was in newspapers, etc....can you imagine the black eye the department would have gotten if they had to say in the media " We handled this matter behind closed doors and Lt Fellman was disciplined"? It is a Zero Tolerance policy. That means you read Playboy, you go to www.bigtatas.com, you watch "Night Nurses in Heat" you are gone. Period. The department didn't willfully throw away a 20 year career, Lt Fellman did.

    The excuse "boys will be boys" is out and out utter crap. Since boys will be boys I guess it's also ok for two f/f's to settle disputes with their fists....afterall, boys will be boys. Hormones are a BS excuse too. Do you hoot and holler at every good looking female you pass while going down the street in your firetruck? I have been in the fire service for 12 1/2 years now, the last 9 of it in a career role and I can count on one hand the number of times there has been pornography in a firehouse I worked out of. Wanna know why? A Zero Tolerance policy.

    The female in question didn't go through his personal belongings...she found the information on a department computer. Yes, she possibly went snooping, then again she could have been looking for a web addy she used previously the article doesn't say...and she'll pay the price for that the rest of her career...but that doesn't diminish the fact that Lt Fellman, an officer, violated one of the regulations he as a supervisor is supposed to uphold.

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    I think Box is a little off base when he wants my employer to regulate what I can read while on my free time at work.
    Mikey,

    When you are on your "free time" at work are you still on duty?

    Are you in a public building?

    Can a guy on your shift read "Kiddie Porn" or "Macho Gay Guys" while you browse through "Playboy"?

    Because under Ponography it all falls in line brother.

    I am not for censorship but do you have free time off the job or is it that some people just can't contain themselves for a shift. This is why the fire service is still looked at askew by many. Oh, we have this free time, so I am going to look at my "Horny Goat Weed" magazine. That way, if I get a call, or a citizen enters the building, or if someone finds it objectionable, then I have put myself, my family, and my reputation at risk. Really good idea.

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    If you read my post BOX, I stated I don't read "questionable" materials at work.That said, yes we do have free time while working, after 1600. You can watch t.v., wash your car or hang out. The firehouse IS a public building. The dorm is NOT a public area. You keep going back to this "gay porn" analogy. If I cant see it, or you cant see it, then it should not concern either one of us..Although I WOULD sleep with one eye open if I saw one of my co-workers reading that particular material. Where does it stop? You say you are against censorship. What is porn? Are you qualified to make that assumption? I think you have alot of valid points and I enjoy your web site. I just think you are off the mark a little on this one. Kiddie porn IS illegal and if someone is stupid enough to have it at home or work deserves everything they get.

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    Originally posted by MIKEYLIKESIT
    yes we do have free time while working, after 1600. You can watch t.v., wash your car or hang out
    I'm sure the taxpayers love knowing that they are paying for guys to watch TV, wash their personal car, hang out, or look at porn (even if you yourself don't).

    theboxalarm said it ... this is why the fire service is still looked at askew by many.

    Until the employees in the fire service are held to the same standards as employees in the private sector, it won't change.

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    Free time at work....I never knew such a thing existed. I'll spring that on the DC the next time he stops by. NOT!

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    Whats your point? PA. Would you like it better if we remopped the floors? We do our training, housework, fire prevention and other assorted duties during the day. After 1600 we can do exactly what I said we do and of course we answer fire and EMS calls around the clock. As far as I can tell, its pretty standard procedure to watch t.v at the firehouse and GASP wash your car, read a book, cook, eat and all the other things that firefighters do when they are on duty for 24 hours. DO NOT turn this thread into another "hey look at the lazy fulltime firefighters" b.s. that seems to creep its way into every single one. We dont have "dirty" magazines at the firehouse, but the United States Supreme Court says we can as long as no one else sees it.The fire service is not like working at WAL MART or at the insurance office. It is where we spend 1/3 of our lives. I have yet to have a citizen bitch to me that they are not getting their moneys worth.

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    Originally posted by theboxalarm


    Mikey,

    When you are on your "free time" at work are you still on duty?



    Can a guy on your shift read "Kiddie Porn" or "Macho Gay Guys" while you browse through "Playboy"?



    Oh, we have this free time, so I am going to look at my "Horny Goat Weed" magazine. That way, if I get a call, or a citizen enters the building, or if someone finds it objectionable, then I have put myself, my family, and my reputation at risk. Really good idea.

    WOW horny goat weed magazine?
    can you tell us a little more about that one, I have heard of playboy, penhouse, swank, but horny goat weed magazine hmm..so are you saying you look at animal porn?
    lol..that is just wrong..box just busting your chops..

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    Mikey, since you asked ... is every single commercial/multi-residential building in your first due area pre-planned? Has every student in your first due area gone through fire prevention? Is every child car seat in your first due area installed properly? Has every commercial/mult-residential building been inspected for fire safety? If the answers to those questions (and the multitude of others that could be asked) are yes. Great. You should be proud.

    I know that paid firemen work hard. You don't need to tell me that.

    Do I want you to remop all the floors? No. I could care less. Do I want you to do something to help change the image of the fire service? Yes. Do I want you to NOT post on a public forum that you wash your car at work? Yes. Do I want you to NOT post on a public forum that you think that firemen should be able to get paid to look at porn while at work? Yes. It's that simple. Pitch in with the rest of us. The image has definitely been improved in the past few years. However, there is still a ways to go.

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    Originally posted by PA Volunteer
    I'm sure the taxpayers love knowing that they are paying for guys to watch TV, wash their personal car, hang out, or look at porn (even if you yourself don't).

    So tell me, what should us full-timers be doing at work on a 24-hour shift? What would you do? I'd love to hear it!

    theboxalarm said it ... this is why the fire service is still looked at askew by many.

    By who? Name your sources. Where and who are the many?

    Until the employees in the fire service are held to the same standards as employees in the private sector, it won't change.

    What standards would those be? We're held to a higher standard! If a firefighter, career or volunteer, is accused of a crime, the headline screams FIREFIGHTER! We wouldn't even know about this case if he wasn't a firefighter.

    This shouldn't have anything to do with him being a career firefighter. It's a guy accused of looking at porn at work. I would bet that most cities and corporations have policies that forbid using city or company computers to look at porn.

    You're trying to hijack this thread to meet your own personal anti-career firefighter agenda. Stop trolling!
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    Gee, last time I checked. I was in the FIREFIGHTERS forum. We havent graduated to car seats. Our police handle that. All the other questions you asked could be answered with a YES. That is what we do during business hours. John Q. Public still thinks we drink beer and play checkers. So if there are any members of the general public (doubtful) that happen to be surfing this site and are REALLY concerned with what goes on at night at the firehouse, let me assure you. We are ever ready, willing and able to respond to your emergency in a calm and professional manner. Usually in under a minute.

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    Tailboard Jockey, get a little security in yourself, please. No one is attacking paid firemen. If you look above, I believe that I said that paid firemen work hard, and you don't need to tell me that. What do I expect you to do on a 24 hour shift? I expect you to sleep, and do other things that would prepare you to do your job better. If you can prove that looking at porn, on the taxpayers dollar, helps you do your job better, then by all means, look at porn at work.

    You're absolutely right, this should have nothing to do with the fact that he is a paid fireman. My statements have to do with Mikey trying to justify being able to look at porn while you are at work. Many people look at the fire service as a very valuable organization which happens to be full of hicks, perverts, drunks, ignorant meatheads, fill-in-the-blank. If you need sources, quotes, and numbers to realize that, you need a reality check.

    I am not anti-paid fireman. I am anti-anyone who tries to use the constitution to defend looking at porn while at work.

    The fact that anyone could even suggest that it is okay to look at porn while at work shows that there is something wrong with wherever they work.

    Mikey, sounds like you guys are in great shape. It sounds like you are proud, as you should be. I don't doubt that you are ready to answer a call at anytime in under a minute. That has nothing to do with this. Every single fireman, paid or volunteer, every single day, should be doing whatever they can to be a better fireman. As I stated above, if that means sleep, then sleep. I'm guessing looking at porn can't be fit into that category.

    Child seats ... do you respond to accidents with injuries? Could ensuring that child seats are installed properly prevent injuries? Then why not do it? If the cops have that 100% covered, great. That's one less thing that you guys have to do.

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    Default Child Seats and firefighters

    Yes Mikey, you are posting on a Firefighters forum, and you know what? Our Fire Station hosts a car seat clinic every single month. Parents make an appointment to come down to the station where fully trained infant/child restraint technichians (many firefighters included) will examine their car seats, ensure they are correctly installed, ensure the strapping system is in the correct position and that the seat is being used is the correct size and type and position for the individual child. We check recall lists for recalls on any seats and advise parents how to contact the company for corrections if recalls are found. We answer just about any question a parent may have and if we find that a car seat is inadequate, outgrown or should be condemned, we will replace it with a new one if the family can't afford it. This program is run jointly with Fire/EMS/Police and our local Community Crisis Centre.
    Does this activity fall under the "typical firefighters job"? Probably not, but our firefighters certainly enjoy the peace of mind as each car drives away knowing that is one less chance of having to search through the fields and ditches looking for an ejected child, or consolling each other afterwards when dealing with an infant death after an MVA. Could be activities like this are why our community doesn't think all we do is sit around and drink beer? They know exactly what we do because we are consistantly out in the community showing them.

    I'll get off my soapbox now and on with the original topic of the thread!! Have a great day!
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