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    I know I promised to be quite, but it is true that porn sites pop up when you click on legitimate links but the I doubt the Lt. was surfing his "first site" at the station. I am not saying that as fact, just as an opinion. I think the circumstances of how he was "caught" is confusing the issue here. However, he is a company officer and apparently has been in trouble before, according to what I have read. He should be dismissed. He can then file an appeal, sue, or open a porn site. The bottom line is that "he" created the situation, no one else. The nosy medic would not have been able to report it if he was not looking at it. Apparently this is a public building and there is a policy, whether you agree with zero tolerance or not, he violated it. He did this to himself.

    It is a shame. Don't get me wrong. 20 years is a long time but if he has been there 20 years, then he should know better.
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    Yeah, he looks like a real first class troublemaker.I wonder how much taxpayers time and money was spent on this investigation?It sounds like someone has an ax to grind. Box lets say someone got YOUR password and then cruised all the "GASP" porno sites? Not saying this is how it went down, but you never know. Would you like to say goodbye to your 20 year career? I think not.The punishment DOESENT fit the ALLEDGED crime.I believe there was a Supreme Court ruling some years ago concerning some L.A. firefighters and their right to keep "dirty" magazines in their possesion while at work. Correct me if I am wrong but I think they won. So having a girlie mag under your pillow just might be a constitutional right. It seems like this medic and her cohort went way out of there way to pimp the Lt. out. Must be nice to work at a firehouse where thats apparently their biggest problem. Me thinks there is more to this story then we are seeing in the posted article. Give him a day off or two..STOP THIS INSANITY

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    The bottom line is this....if the governmental agency that this dept falls under has a zero-tolerence policy, and the LT violated the policy..he has no defense. Being a company officer only makes it that much worse....he is a supervisor of other departmental personnel who has to ensure that the people under him are following rules and regulations, therefore he has a duty to be familiar with these rules and regulations. You can say " He has a 20 year career on the line....etc" all you want....the bottom line is he as an officer is held at a higher standard, and he didn't live up to his obligations.

    As for the medic...her career at this, or probably any nearby department isn't looking so hot either. As we all know, and especially since 9/11...we are the klannish sort....we stick together. This medic faces an extremely uphill struggle pushing a huge boulder while the rest of her co-workers grease the hill she is climbing. She won the battle....but lost the war. Forever more she will be known as a "Snitch", "Rat", "Mutt" and a hundred other more derogatory descriptions that will follow her long after everyone else involved has come and gone. We have long memories and short tolerences. She will soon find out.

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    MIKEYLIKESIT Yeah, he looks like a real first class troublemaker.I wonder how much taxpayers time and money was spent on this investigation?
    If a dollar was spent it is his fault. Of course, he and this medic could have a thing going and this is all a game. As for constitutional law, he may have a case - if he were in California. However I think that his bad judgemnt is better off the job, than on the job. I have been at numerous stations where porn lay around--but that was then and this is now. It does not matter what used to be. He screwed up and he pays the piper. But I have beat this horse to death. Time will tell the tale. I wish Porno and Nosy the best!

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    Angry Poor Guy??? What's the truth???

    Brothers and Sisters:

    Down here in Pinellas County, all the Local news stations NBC, CBS, FOX, etc... all told a story of CHILD pornography. This makes it a whole new story, doesn't it??? Lori Kordecki was upset because of images of children...naked Children. Before you start to point the fingers and blame "a woman" please use your search engines and look into it a bit closer. I have been in the Fire Service for 20 years, and if I would have found those images...I would have taken care of it the appropriate way. Haligans aren't just for opening doors!!!
    If this guy is guilty of using Fire Departments computers for looking at porn, well he broke the rules and he should be punished. BUT, if he used the Fire Departments computers to look at Child Pornography then he a disgrace to the whole Fire Service and he has dis-repected the uniform and should go to a Federal Prison and change his name to Suzie... one man's opinion.

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    OK, I am playing devils advocate here. I ask you all, how many times have we all typed an address in the browser incorrectly and been directed to a porn site? I for one, have had this happen to me. This fire fighter does NOT deserve to be fired. I would, however, investigate the accuser. Why was she snooping around in the history files? Sounds to me like she had a grudge against him. I submit to you all, delete your history files. But remember, if you are on a server, the server retains where you've been, and who you have emailed, or what emails you've received. The servers save it all for future reference.

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    I've read all the posts here, and agree with most that firing is pretty harsh for this, unless it's been an ongoing problem with this guy (if it was in fact kids, and he did it, then hang him). I keep coming back to one glaring issue though; anyone in the year 2002 who thinks they can surf porn sites on city or county (or ANY government) computers without eventual fallout needs to wake up. If he hadn't gone to the sites in question this thread wouldn't exist. Poor judgment to say the least.

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    I mentioned the child porno earlier in a post. Now people will say "Oh, this is different" and so on. The fact is that this guy not only broke a policy for which he should be terminated but did so in a terrible manner. Its a shame.
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    I can understand the no porn on the city owned computer, but magazines, come on. What happened to our right of free speech and expression? I canít believe someone would bitch about another person with a Playboy or Penthouse magazine. Christ, magazines at the store check out counter probably have worse pictures in them.
    Get real, if I want to look at a nude magazine, thatís my choice and right. If you donít want to look at it, leave it alone, simple. Iíve about had it with all these people that bitch about something that they donít like and then other people lose there rights because of it.
    To the Lewy that got caught on the computer, discipline is in order but let the punishment fit the crime, and I donít think firing a 20 veteran is an appropriate punishment. If it were just a magazine I would say fight it to the death, but it was a city owned computer.
    And to the sorry B#$% who thinks its her duty to spy and rat out her fellow brothers and sisters, (hopfully she doesnít discriminate between the sexes) I hope she gets what she deserves! Whoever works with her, WATCH YOU BACK!!!

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    In any profession outside of firefighting, if you were viewing pornography at work, during business hours, on the employer's computer, you would be fired on the spot. If you had a pornographic magazine at work, even if it's stuffed in your personal desk, same deal. It's the employer's property, it's the employer's desk. It's the employer's rules.

    Obviously, the firefighting profession is somewhat different. In most other jobs you don't sleep, shower, etc. at your place of employment. However, the premise is still the same.

    On top of that, they had a zero tolerance policy. He knew it, he broke it.

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    I can understand the no porn on the city owned computer, but magazines, come on. What happened to our right of free speech and expression? I canít believe someone would bitch about another person with a Playboy or Penthouse magazine. Christ, magazines at the store check out counter probably have worse pictures in them.
    What about the guy who screams it his right to have magazines that have pictures of terrorists that he loves, or non-consensual sex, or the guy who loves to read about other men and leaves his magazine around. Still supportive of free speech? You are on duty in a building that is a hall of honor and because times have changed, and will continue to do so, that is no longer acceptable. Read it at home where it belongs. If it is taxpayer owned and operated there are rules. If this guy could not follow them, then he gets the first ticket on the "Out of Here Express".

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    Default It wasn't just porn...

    Firefighter On Leave Pending Porn Inquiry
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    ST. PETE BEACH -- A St. Pete Beach firefighter has been placed on paid administrative leave, pending an investigation into whether child pornography was accessed on Fire Department computers.

    The firefighter, Lt. Crist Fellman, a 20-year veteran of the department, was placed on leave after a television station reported his name last week.

    Fire Chief Fred Golliner will not say whether Fellman is the firefighter under investigation, only that he placed Fellman on leave after his name was reported publicly.

    Vice Mayor John Phillips said working on fire calls would have been difficult for Fellman if residents recognized him from newscasts.

    "When they put his picture out and his name, (Golliner) felt it was only fair to Crist," Phillips said.

    Fellman, 40, was named Florida's Emergency Medical Technician of the Year in 1997. He was awarded the honor partly because of a drowning safety program he helped organize. He also helped train hundreds of people in cardiopulmonary resuscitation.

    St. Pete Beach police confiscated two computers two weeks ago after Golliner reported to police that Fire Department computers might have been used to access child pornography.

    The investigation is continuing, with the Florida Department of Law Enforcement analyzing the computers and local police investigating firefighters.


    Anybody notice that it wasn't just pornography, it was child pornography? What do you think now?
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    I don't know whether Tailboard_Jockey intentionally left out the next article from St. Petes Times dated Oct. 13, but will give him/here the benefit of the doubt. Here it is:

    St. Petersburg Times; St. Petersburg, Fla.; Oct 13, 2001; AMY WIMMER;

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    A 767-page internal affairs investigation released Friday revealed that Lt. Crist Fellman, a former Florida Emergency Medical Technician of the Year who has been with the department for 20 years, visited Web porn sites and participated in sexually explicit chat rooms while on duty.

    Fire Chief Fred Golliner will meet with Fellman Tuesday to discuss his recommendation that the firefighter, whom Golliner helped get hired in the early 1980s, be terminated.

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    The fire chief is expected to recommend firing a lieutenant accused of accessing pornography on city computers, pending the outcome of a meeting Tuesday between the chief, the firefighter and his lawyer.

    A 767-page internal affairs investigation released Friday revealed that Lt. Crist Fellman, a former Florida Emergency Medical Technician of the Year who has been with the department for 20 years, visited Web porn sites and participated in sexually explicit chat rooms while on duty.

    Allegations against Fellman initially included charges that he also accessed child pornography on Fire Department computers. But St. Pete Beach police Capt. Todd Kirchgraber, who did the investigation, said that charge was unfounded.

    Investigators did uncover materials that fall into a category called "child erotica," but they were not pornographic.

    A Florida Department of Law Enforcement analysis of two Fire Department computers recovered 308 sexually explicit images from the hard drives. One hard drive was confiscated from a fire station in north St. Pete Beach; the other came from the Pass-a-Grille station.

    Fire Chief Fred Golliner will meet with Fellman Tuesday to discuss his recommendation that the firefighter, whom Golliner helped get hired in the early 1980s, be terminated.

    The State Attorney's Office is reviewing the case to determine whether criminal charges will be filed. Investigators there did not return phone calls Friday, but Golliner said the office is still investigating.


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    Still not nice news but not child pornography. Let's also not dismiss the idea that this material may have been planted by the medic involved. How many of us have neglected to log out,leaving others to access under our account?

    Let's be careful not to crucefy either party until all the news comes out.

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    I can only assume that the Lt has hired himself a good lawyer.

    As for pornographic material...he knew the rules, and the consequences...I would think that some discipline other than termination was in order though.

    As for "child" pornographic material...refer to my first line, this Lt.'s lawyer(s) should have a field day for those who alleged this. It's worse to falsely accuse someone of being a child pornogapher than it is to look at (legal-age) smut on a city-owned computer.

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    I think I will reserve any more comments until the facts have sorted themselves out. I think the Lt. was wrong for violating policy, but perhaps there is more to this than meets they eye. I think investigators should look hard at "who" found it. Just my pennies worth.

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    Time to hand this guy a STUPID sign. Officers lead by example.

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    Originally posted by chuxter
    I don't know whether Tailboard_Jockey intentionally left out the next article from St. Petes Times dated Oct. 13, but will give him/here the benefit of the doubt.
    No, I did not intentionally leave out the next article. The one that I posted was the only one that I found.
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    The guy is a first class loser. Knew the rules and chose to do it anyway. He's outta there. No sympathy from me.

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    He's probably lucky this woman hasn't found a way to sue him for sexual harassment.

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    Originally posted by littlemissemtstudent
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    That comment was totally uncalled for.

    OK littlemiss if you ever come to washington state or to southern calif. Hell where ever you go please let every guy at that station know how you are first, it should be the first thing that comes out of your mouth.
    Let them know that your the type of women that will snoop.

    I heard cuba is looking for emt's


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