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    Question Use of Deck guns and Monitors

    Well since almost all new engines come with deck guns of some sort I was wondering how many of your depts use them. If not then why do you feel they offer no use to you.

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    Deck guns are great for mobile home fires. You pull the engine up so it's perpendicular with the front of the trailer and flow 1000 gpm through the front window. The fire is out in seconds.

    Actually we do use them from time to time. There are a few things that factor in though, the severity of the fire, the height of the structure, is there a water supply so you can use the big gun. Last summer we used it on a wood pile fire. There were some large cut timbers that started on fire and instead of dragging a bunch of handlines out, we only used one and the deck gun. Different situations different uses.

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    We have two plumbed guns per rig and use them 20 times a month.

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    We use ours 4 or 5 times a year per truck. Generally it is used for initial defensive attack and quick knockdown of heavy fire load to allow for safer interior operations. We have used it on dumpsters. Car fires, mobile homes, and brush fires close to the road.

    How many of ya'll use a smooth tip versus auto nozzle... We use both but generally default to the pre-mounted auto.

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    We use ours 4 or 5 times a year per truck. Generally it is used for initial defensive attack and quick knockdown of heavy fire load to allow for safer interior operations. We have used it on dumpsters. Car fires, mobile homes, and brush fires close to the road.

    How many of ya'll use a smooth tip versus auto nozzle... We use both but generally default to the pre-mounted auto.

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    Deck guns can be a valuable tool in many situations, especially when u need to put a substancial amount of water on one area for a long period of time, VERY useful in those surround and drowned ops.
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    All our engines have deck guns. Their main purpose is for defensive attacks (well involved structures) and occasionally for exposure protection. We don't really use it much on anything else. It does come in handy whenever we do our weekly pump check where we are supposed to flow water for 30 min. Lots of gpm and no hose stretch!

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    Master Stream Devices are great for flowing a large volume of water. Both our engines have deck guns, one is removable for use as a monitor. We use straight bore stacked tips on both. It seems as if fog tips would defeat the purpose of the master sream because the penetration wouldn't be what it is with a straight stream. I know Houston uses fog tips on their master stream devices including aerials. Does anyone else use fog tips on their deck guns or other master streams? Could you tell me the strategy behind this, because I'm in the dark here?
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    In response to last post:
    All our deck guns are straight bore. Our aerial tip nozzles however are fog nozzles. Yes, you lose the penetration power, but I think it is justified by the versatility. We often use the aerial, if not otherwise used, to provide exposure protection. That just works a whole lot better with a fog nozzle. And you still have 1000 gpm!

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    Deck guns have proven themselves valuable. When I talk to someone about a new piece of apparatus I advocate deck guns. Good ally.

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    Very handy when you don't have enough ff's on scene during the initial stages - just park and dump the tank through the front door window to buy time to stretch lines to hydrants, don scba etc.
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    LIKE MOST DEPARTMENTS THAT DO HAVE THEM, WE UTILIZE OURS. THERE IS A WIDE VARIETY OF APPLICATIONS THAT WE HAVE USED OURS ON, AND THE NEAT THING IS, THEY WORK. ONE ENGINE HAS A GUN PLACE AT THE TOP THAT IS NOT PRE-PIPED BUT CAN BE WITH SHORT HOSE IN 5 MINUTES AND IT CAN BE PLACED IN THE PORTABLE MODE IN THE SAME TIME FRAME. THE OTHER ENGINE HAS A PRE-PLUMBED GUN THAT CAN BE REMOVED ON USED AS A PORTABLE MONITOR ALSO,AND WITH A TFT BLIZFIRE HOOKED ON BOTH ENGINES WE CAN DUMP SOME WATER ON WHATEVER THE SCENERIO IS.

    WE HAVE USED THEM ON BUIDLINGS WITH 1/2 OR MORE INVOLVEMENT, USED THEM AS WATER CURTAINS, AS DELUGE GUNS FOR HAZ-MAT, AND WE HAVE USED THEM TO JUST KNOCK DOWN SOME FIRE UNTIL THE CREWS WERE AVAILABLE AND READY TO ENTER.

    NOT SURE HOW MANY PARADE POINTS YOU GET!! BUT THEY DO WORK, AND THEY WORK WELL.

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    We use are deck guns 3 to 5 times a year. They are pre-piped on both engines. They have stacked tip nozzles. On one engine we have a portable gun positioned on the rear step with 300' 3" preconnectd line for quick attacks on store fronts. Both guns can be use in a portable mode. We have 2 5" bases for are guns to deliver large volumes of water. Even though we use are guns 3 to 5 times a year it's another tool in the tool box.

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    I really don't see what a fog tip on a deck gun does for you. I think that they best answer is that it can be used for cooling your engine if it becomes an exposure but that just means you as the driver parked your rig in the wrong place to begin with. The purpose of master streams is defense where you need reach, because you have pulled back, and penetration with copious amounts of water, therefore Smooth Bore is what should be on every deck gun.

    Besides, fog nozzles were designed for closed compartment fires on board ships...my daddy was a sailor and I never saw a rig driven into a ship to use its deck gun!
    I would...but no!

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    my dept has one. our building is too short to have it prepiped, so we have to get out 2- 2 1/2 lines to feed it. last time we used it was for dry hydrant training. we supplied from a dry hydrant and fed the gun, and dropped pinecones into the stream and watched them shoot across the lake

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