The facts and nothing but the facts!
Puffy - No offense taken!
Mikey - FYI, PG is not a career department, it is a volunteer department supplemented by career staff. With the exception of 2 stations, the rest of the stations are separate, volunteer owned and operated corporations. The volunteers own 80 to 90% of the apparatus, not the career people. Just thought I'd clear that up!
Silly me, and here I thought L-1619 had cornered the market on arrogance, ego and self-righteousness! Thanks for setting me strait!
Living in a FREE Country is great!
Mikey - Yes PG has union firefighters, they have been here for over 30 years. Some of the two hatters as you call them have been here for 10…..15…..20, or more years. It was OK for 25 years but now all of a sudden its not. I don't care how long it's been on the books, it all started a few years ago when L-1619 lost on trying to retaliate against a volunteer who works for DC and is a volunteer chief in PG for doing his job, period. Why should these people have to give up what they have been earning and working towards, for the years they put in as volunteers? And yes we are talking monetary loss. If you would like to see what this loss would be you can check out a summary of the PG volunteers LOSAP program on the mrvfd.org web page.
Maybe Local 1619 is trying to correct some problems the guys from other Locals are causing?
Fact, the only problem is that the members from L-1619 do not believe they should have to take orders from a volunteer. Yes they have other issues but as I said many, many times, I agree with a lot of them and they are nothing that can't be worked out by working together. But the numero uno, number one, top of the list problem that is driving L-1619 in their quest is "they don't feel they should have to take orders from a volunteer." They could give a sh** if the person wrote the book on firefighting and could, as the old saying goes, put out the fires of purgatory with a water pistol. They just don't think they should have to.
Maybe it is interfering with peoples livelihoods?
Do I care what they do on their own time? HECK NO! However, I do care if it ADVERSELY AFFECTS the livelihood of fellow IAFF members.
No one has still been able to tell me how this affects their livelihoods! The only argument I can possibly think of, and the only one I've heard mentioned is that a volunteer may take away your overtime. Yes, having a volunteer may keep an IAFF member from working overtime but when you took your IAFF job, did you do it because it had a guarantee of overtime? Unless you were guaranteed overtime and a volunteer prevents you from getting it you have no bitch!
And please, lest' s stop being hypocritical about this livelihood thing. Because we go back to the same old thing that has been beat to death, there is no difference when an IAFF member gets off work from the job and goes out to do their plumbing, carpentering, chimney sweeping, electricaling etc etc etc.
The only livelihood affected may be the smuck on the street that may not be able to be hired. Or would you rather have someone backing you up on the line that had to have the entrance exam lowered and the rest of the requirements lowered in order to get the job? And only takes it because it's going to give them a paycheck but really doesn't give a sh** about the job. Because that's what's being hired around here now, and that's if they can get anyone to take the test. But that’s another story for another thread, I think you get my drift!
Maybe you should talk with the President of the Local your wife is a member. Have him actually look into the issue and contact the Presidents of Local 1619, 1664, 36 and the President's of Howard County and Fairfax County's Locals (sorry, I don't know their numbers) Then talk with him after he does some background work and see what he thinks.
Don't stop there. Shouldn't you talk to both sides to get the whole story and not just one side? There are always two sides to every story!
These are politicians we are talking about. I bet, if any of you look deep inside yourselves, you will agree you don't trust any of them any farther than you can throw the Washington Monument!
Hey I agree with you 110%. So these are the people you are going to count on to replace the volunteers you are trying to force to quit? HELLO!
I don't know how local governments work outside of PG, but I think I know the one in PG well enough to know that the answer to that question is WRONG!
Chopper hit the nail on the head, " There are so many safeguards in place it is rare they ever get the idea there is a problem." That goes for the politicians to. Even when you prove to them something is wrong they will deny you, especially if it's going to cost them some of the almighty $$$$$$!
Congressmen Weldon is a good man. I happen to disagree with him on this one.
BINGO!!! Everyone that has a side on this or any other issue is basically a good person, or at least I hope they are. But we can all agree to disagree. I can tell my side and try to persuade you to come with over with me, and you can do the same to me. In the end there will be a winner and a loser to this issue if you want to caricaturize it that way. But rest assured, we will pick up and move on to the next issue and start all over again.
I will leave you with an excerpt from the good Congressman's speech because I believe I can't say it any better. Because I think the ultimate losers are going to be the people we are supposed to be here for. The ones who could give a damn whether the person pulling them out of their blazing house is a career person or a volunteer, just as long as their getting pulled out.
"Madam Speaker, this is like saying that teachers, and I was a teacher for 7 years, should withdraw from the teacher's association if they want to tutor poor kids on weekends or after school, or even teach Sunday school. It is like telling doctors that they should no longer serve in clinics on their own time or be dismissed from the AMA. It is like telling professional athletes they should no longer play in charity games, raising money for good causes, or coach our youth teams. It is like telling lawyers that they should not belong to the American Bar Association if they do pro bono work.
Peace, keep the faith and stay safe!:D
Can't we all just get along?
Come on guys...I've been following this issue for quite awhile now and all I really have to say is, "Whatever happened to the Brotherhood?" We are all brothers in this for we are firefighters. Whether you be paid, vol., or union we all proform the same job and hopefully all are on the job for the same reason. We are public servents, it shouldn't matter what walk of life, race, or even union or vol you hail from. We are firefighters. To this affect I make post this simple question to the union, "Why was PGFD placed as a rival organization?" They are firefighters..just as you..there is no difference here, we all wear the same badge with the same ideals or atleast we should. I understand that 43 is part of the by-laws, but my question lies in why the Union decided to place them in "bad-standing" as it were. It makes little sense to place brothers out side the realm of what is right. I say that in terms of the overall picture and I will not sit here and say that the IAFF does nothing for its members, because they do, do great things. However, I do question the mindset of Union leaders that list fellow firefighters..though non-union..as rivals. All I say is let this set behind us..settle this on different terms. The brotherhood doesn't need to fight within its self in such a time of need. We are all firefighters and never forget that. Stay safe brothers, every one.