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    Dear Fellow Brothers and Sisters,
    I am so crushed that any of you responded to that lame story, have you all been so ignorant to beleive everything you read. Especially you all in New York-after all the donations this FF has raised for 9-11-01 . This Lori Kordecki you all speak of is a 17 yr vetern and has always gone above and beyond for everyone in her fire department. She has organized Retirement parties for everyone whom leaves the departemnt and a benefit for a FF that had a Kidney Problem and needed Help------How could you all be so stupid- Fact: This FF you speak of and support about the porn was fired from his part-time job at the same time. Get it! Two Jobs, Two Computers, in Two Different Locations! Are you getting the picture? Sick O'! Oh and these pictures you all are sticking up for him,are child erotic pictures and incest sites.This guy also changed the dates on the computer to protect himself and possibly implicate another innocent user/member. You should say POOR Family he has two kids. This employee was knowen for porn in the firehouse over the past three years and That Lori Kordecki was tolerant and not a rat. It was usally the Lt.s Male co-workers would come to her when she was acting Lt. and report it to her. She then reported it to the chief years ago. I think you owe Lori Kordecki you talk about like a bunch of mean rich stuck-up goggel of geese with out the facts, an appology. Let us all be real MAN and WOMEN and not cast judgemnet until after you here both sides. That is just being a good leader- Everyone here in Florida knows the facts, you all don't.Thanks- Sorry for the bad temp, but well you know this is my fellow firefighter sister we protect our own here in Florida.

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    Wow! That was some defense you put up. I don't recall any of MY brothers and sisters advocating child porn. I do recall people being upset and writing their feelings down. I guess that is foreign to you. We don't have to agree, thats the beauty. As for Lori, I wish her the best and if all the facts turn out in the end to support her then honor is due. In the meantime, we will discuss it. Sorry 'bout the temp, but thats just what we do here on the boards. WE allow people to express their feelings....and if they are wrong we move on. You know, like in the real world.

    And what kind of person throws 9-11 up like that. A LOT of firefighters got out to help the brothers in the city. I don't see anyone else on here throwing it up to make others feel shame. Why not come on and say "Lori is a good firefighter/medic and when the facts come out her reputation will be solid. We have more facts that any of you so please take that into consideration"

    However you throw out those comments about the brothers in NY who have a problem with a (potential) snitch? Huh? If she is right then right will justify her. You don't understand that many people in unifrom have problems with snitches. If what you say is true, then good riddance to the LT. But are we to pray at the feet of Lori? You just made it worse! No guards in the gene pool when you came through, huh?
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    Are you sure you aren't her 14 year old brother?

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    Boxalarm, I agree with, you but I never had posted anything to this forum, but when it slams one of our own , I can use anything and I choose that to show How a person 1500 miles away can slam somebody with out even knowing the facts and the oppisite is true, NY is 1500 miles away and we never would think twice about talking about the NYFD and always have admired them and still do.But some responses we pulled off this site came from the State of New york= not New York city. Sorry if it upsets you but that is not intended for NY city.
    These persons were from State of New York in other cities. Just stop slamming persons with out the facts and we would have no problems. Ans yes, Lori has worked hard gathering donations for the City of New York like everyone,and to get on line to have good converations and see her name up on the screen, sucks. Oh you noticed I never used Names. That should be the standard.

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    Especially you all in New York-after all the donations this FF has raised for 9-11-01 .
    The quote above was taken from your earlier illegible statement. Well, you know what, it is a waste of time. By rushing to her defense and trying to use her "good deeds" as a defense you have hurt her. If she is blameless, then let it come out. You hardly help with the type of response you gave. YALL be safe!

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    I was one of the posters who questioned the credibility of the paramedic in questions.(see still not using her name). With the information at hand (the newspaper article) there was some lively debate both pro and con for her actions. I dont think any of the regulars on here would condone any type of kiddie porn. According to the article he was not charged with any crime. Maybe he did deserve to be fired. The facts were not presented in a way that made me feel that way. Hell, BOX was all for givin him the hook, when some of us where more charitable.Hell, maybe I would give him the hook. So lets just take a deep breath and remember these forums are for exchanging of ideas/opinions and debate.If the paramedic in question is as great as you say she is GOOD FOR YOU AND THE CITIZENS YOU PROTECT.I just think you were off-base tying in a 9-11 reference in this whole mess.

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    Dear Brothers and Sisters,

    I want no conflict. The 9-11 reference is admittedly a general statement. As for good deed standing for her character, I would like to point to the fact that she is still at the department. That, in itself, is more than the Lt. in question can say. My fellow firefighters I do not wish to offend anyone in writing my response. My purpose here is to merely present the facts and allow you all to draw your own conclusions. If you look at the report in the first message posted about this topic you will find that the original poster gave a very biased account that even tried to argue for Lt. in question based on his "good deeds"(letters of commendation) the very thing you all find cannot be argued for in Lori's case. It was not the pornography itself which offended, yet it was the nature of the pornography. If you turn on a TV to HBO or cinemax now-a-days naked women are easy to find, yet child erotica is not. She did not report the amount of pornography, she reported the nature.
    As for her purposefully looking for the material in the history, this is merely an assumption. How many of you have every used the history to find a site that you previously found interesting. I would like to throw out a second assumption that presents the other side of the story. She may just have been looking for a site that she was looking at before a call, before her favorite show, or before lunch. Don't jump to conclusions and consider one side.
    As for the source, look whos quotes the original story writer uses...an attorney. These people go to school for years to learn how to interpret data in the favor of their client. Also, as far as justice, the department of children and family services does not talk to the children of somebody found merely looking at regular porn. These people know more about this case than any of us ever can. I just ask that whenever you all view a case that is filled with passion and little facts, consider both sides. I hope my attempt to give you all merely the facts that demonstrate the other side give you all something to think about rather then simply pointing fingers. Consider your own point based on the facts then wait for the decision from those who have all the true and honest facts thanks to the simple file titled "stealth".

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    Why is it the news reports say that the detective in charge of this investigation stated that there was no evidence of child pornography? I'd tend to believe that if there were material of the sort, that the LT would be sitting in the pokey right about now. Can you clarify this for us?

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    Firemanstan: Did a little checking, in seven pages of posts concerning your co-worker, there are exactly (three) (3) (III) posts that I could see coming from NYC. One is mine, the other two were from the same person. My contention was, An Officer is an Officer, charged with supervision and resonsibility of his subordinates. I also conceded that Zero Policy was just that, and that if anyone couldn't handle that....they should seek employment elsewhere.
    So.......now I have to ask you, #1) Where do you get the audacity to blame FDNY for not supporting your co-worker?
    #2) What the hell does 9/11 have to do with it, and whatever you may or may not have contributed?
    #3) While I admire your resolve and spirit, I also think a reality check is overdue, you need to properly direct your comments to the correct sources.
    #4) Lastly, I would appreciate an apology from you, as your inference included me, and many others who while representing FDNY, had nothing whatsoever to do with your tirades!

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    I know the female EMT firefighter who has been discussed throughout this dicussion. Firemanstan is also known to me. He is a very passinate fireman (the first to step in if anyone needed help or defending)

    This is the first time I have every responed or been on a chat forum and after reading about her and the responses that came from the initial letter I felt it was needed. She is a very tolerate female firefighter. The best I have ever known. I would work with her at a drop of a hat. For the 15 or more years she has worked at the firestation she has talked about her love for the job. Her brother and sisterhood with her fellow firefighters. Knowing her I also know that she has tolerated more than most females have in any other profesion.

    I know that the firefighter who was fired was given fair treatment. His female coworker did not go searching or attempt to set him up. The story is twisted as each person puts in their 2 cents without knowing the whole story.

    It makes me sad to see someone try to do the right thing (I must say after turning her back for years)be cruicified by many of her fellow firefighters and EMTs.

    Everyone has a right to their opinion but before putting names and making unfounded or unsubstancitiated responses. Check things out. Ask questions!!??

    This firefighter is an exceptional person.
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    Perhaps I will refrain from discussing anything about this situation. I will state my final feelings for the record:

    1. I have maintained from my first post that this Lt. Should be dismissed
    2. I wondered how the FF/Medic saw what he had surfed?

    3. I apologize for using a name of a person I do not know.

    4. This Stan, who now seems to have found someone to write for him, was wrong to utilize her good deeds and single out firefighters in the great state of New York.

    5. In the end, if she is wrong, she will be found out.

    6. Stay safe to all my brothers and sisters on the forums. You to Stanley.

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    Please forgive me, ladies and gentlemen, but can anyone tell me if a minimum educational level exists in Florida whereby public officials are appointed? I read, and re-read, Stans tirade and I find it hard to understand. It sure is sad that the tradgedy of 9-11 is brought up in this manner & I pray that this remains an isolated incident. From my perspective, let me say that in a fire service, a traditionally MALE domain, foto's of naked women/pornography have always been a fact of life. What will be the next bone of contention, swearing????? In 1983 in a large town in SA, a woman ff tried to put pepper into the mouth of a ff for swearing. Childish is'nt the word! The incident almost led to 3 ff's losing their jobs. If it doesnt interfere with the stations efficiency or tarnish its immage, let men be men, for Gods sake~!!!!!!!!
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    Hey Dan......just to give you a heads up! I believe the contents were related to child porn? Now I maybe wrong, but in the good ole' US of A, it is not really a favorite subject. Another heads up was the controversy over how, or if, it came about. Since you are super-sharp there in SA, I don't know how you missed the contents. My heads-up was to prepare you for the onslaught, concerning comprehension in the SA!

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    FDNYRR, You are 100% correct about child pornography! No argument! However, the allegation regarding child porn/erotica only entered the argument later and is still not proven (or did I miss the part where proof was offered?) If child porn was involved HANG THE SCUM-BUCKET, but make sure proof is available and do not rely on possible vindictive backstabbing! I am simply afraid that in these days of "political correct" demands being placed on everyone, the possibilities of being accused of wrongdoings will become endless. You can have no idea how tragic it is to see a fire dept. collapse because of petty grievences. How about a city of 1 million people having a fire service of 19 operational staff! Reason? Collapse of morale due to just that which this subject addresses! Lets try to balance the problem out..... on one hand we have a man who broke a rule/regulation. On the other we have a carreer firefighter/paramedic in whom hundreds of thousands of dollars has been spent and who is capable of serving his community for many years to come (albeit with a penchant for porn!) Come on my American friends! we in SA are learning everything we can about advanced firefighting techniques from you, why don't you learn a little about tolerance (or INtolerance) from this country? Send the errant Lt. to us; we need seasoned firefighters more desperately than prissy, holier-than-thou, brown noses. I preach to my firefighters, on a daily basis, that loyalty to each other and the community is probably more important than any other attribute. I see no loyalty in the Lt.s brigade, only polarization. The fire service I grew to love would have sorted this type of problem out long before senior management became involved. What happened? Whats next? What about banning all religious materials from the station? or political material? Then we will have to look seriously at the wisdom of t.v's /videos! (many films today are barely disguised porn in content!)No, this is not the answer. Know your colleagues. Know their likes & dislikes and respect them. Respect and accept also that a subject you find offensive may not be so to others. Tolerance!!!!!!! End of lecture.
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    From my perspective, let me say that in a fire service, a traditionally MALE domain, foto's of naked women/pornography have always been a fact of life. What will be the next bone of contention, swearing?????
    Daniel my brother,

    Traditonally male dominated is true but this is now and that was then. Wake up. I don't know about Mandela land, but here, women have a right to be involved. I started when it was all male, at least in my region, but that changed. We also used to run in the structure with just a coat on, if that.

    As for pornography, it is not suitable in a firehouse. The station is a place of honor and integrity. It is not " Steve's Smut Palace, Home of Rosy palms and her five sisters".

    Stay safe in South Africa !

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    firemanstan-
    thanks for shedding a new light on the subject. It's about time that someone quit laying the blame on the paramedic and put it where it belongs-on the FF.

    To ya'll that want to defend him- he was looking at child porn! That alone is disgusting, not to mention ILLEGAL. And, he was doing the same thing at his other job. That should send a signal.

    Not only that, but look at the pain and grief that it has caused his family.
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    thanks for shedding a new light on the subject. It's about time that someone quit laying the blame on the paramedic and put it where it belongs-on the FF.
    What new light did he shed?

    I think the majority on here agree that the Lt. is the bad guy here. However questions remain that can only be answered in time.

    As for Mandela, we in America would be glad to send you our scoundrels. They fit right in there and you can gather together and watch child pornography or "your favorite" type of porno. What a mutt.

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    "Respect".....isn't that a word you used Dan? There's two old adages related to this; One is......"Respect is due, when respect is given!" The other old adage is, "Always respect the Rank, if not the man and their opinion!"

    You want this Lt, you can have him for what his experiences are worth, however without respect, his experience will be extremely limited. As in the Military, "NO" officer can function properly without the assistance of their Non-Commissioned Officers, and subordinates. Lack of it (respect) has been the downfall of many a man.

    While we're on the subject of respect.....sometimes here in the US we tend to fight mixed genders at some positions, but the truth be known, if someone/anyone can do their task, they are being slowly excepted. That is without exception, barring the caves, or Tar Pits.







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    paulak said...
    "I know that the firefighter who was fired was given fair treatment. His female coworker did not go searching or attempt to set him up. The story is twisted as each person puts in their 2 cents without knowing the whole story. "


    You are lambasting people that you have admitted are commenting on "twisted mis-construed facts" I commented on the face value of what the original post was and added my opinion based on how the two prinicipals were preseneted. Nothing more or less. Yes as other facts are presented it will change (or not) some peoples opinions. Would it not be better for you to "Set the story straight" and then invite people to then repond? I don't recall any one in here defending child porn but then if memory serves me correct the orginal post didn't mention anything about child porn. It stated something to the effect... A female was using a dept pc. Another male went on after her and then left. She went on and then checked where he had been surfin through the history files. Found evidence of porn and told her superiors. It imho portrayed her as a vindictive axe grinding man hating woman. (I know Iam gonna get it for that)
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    As a newbie on the net, I was browsing fire related webs & words. I suddenly found myself confronted by unsolicited "pop-ups" all concerning some or other sex site or activity. Every attempt to exit resulted in new pop-ups. In frustration I tried to stop the run of rubbish by entering the sites. No luck, It was bottomless. But now I was open to all sorts of accusations. Any of you have a similar experience? My oponions go, I concede, somewhat against the grain of some people, and I make no appology for that. The purpose of these forums should be to debate matters which affect us all. Remarks about "Mandela" are, however, indicative of the mindset of a person unable (unwilling?) to sensibly debate a point or to try to see the bigger picture,and are not expected. I am trying to say to you that this thread revolves around a principle, and by pitting genders against each other,you are not promoting the interests of the service. We all say or do things hurtfull to others but,in a happy station, such transgressions get sorted out by colleagues and not at senior management level. I don't want to work in an enviroment where everyone has to look over their shoulders. 12" **** fotos on female relatives desks? Grow up. If the foto was buried in the yard and someone took a shovel to dig it up, clean it & frame it, how in hell can they run to management? I am in senior management but I never forgot what it was like lower down the ranks. I would also have ended up firing the Lt. but I would have lost all respect for the brown nose. A regulation is a regulation, but I expect to have to deal with matters which could not be resolved in the station. I'm going to end my contribution on this point, but I reiterate my earlier warning..... Protect The Unit! It is more important than the individual. Cheers from a crime-ridden, porn filled and fire ridden Sunny Sarf Efrica.
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    << thanks for shedding a new light on the subject. It's about time that someone quit laying the blame on the paramedic and put it where it belongs-on the FF. >>>

    As theboxalarm stated, I too fail to find what new light has been shed on the subject.

    Those of us on the forum who have expressed our opinions on the subject will never know the real truth, unless we actually work in the dept with the individuals involved.There is her story, his story, the story the media puts out, firemanstans story, etc etc. We have been giving our views based on the material that was presented to us, in the form of some newspaper articles. To be honest, the "info" given by her friend/co-worker firemanstan makes me even more suspicious of her actions. If she did no wrong, there is no need to come on here and defend her in such a manner. Evidence will clear her name,nothing else.


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    Daniel Joubert said in anearleir post that:
    Remarks about "Mandela" are, however, indicative of the mindset of a person unable (unwilling?) to sensibly debate a point or to try to see the bigger picture,and are not expected.
    I will debate any point and my use of Mnadela was a tad innapropriate but like you, I remember what is was like down in the trenches. No brown nosers for me. No sir! I want stand for it!

    Or whatever else makes you feel better about your position. I would say that is whats grat about America, but that would not be appropriate here.

    Oh, by the way "brother", I have been to Sun City. Found it entertaining.

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    Originally posted by littlemissemtstudent
    firemanstan-
    thanks for shedding a new light on the subject. It's about time that someone quit laying the blame on the paramedic and put it where it belongs-on the FF.

    To ya'll that want to defend him- he was looking at child porn! That alone is disgusting, not to mention ILLEGAL. And, he was doing the same thing at his other job. That should send a signal.

    Not only that, but look at the pain and grief that it has caused his family.
    Please show me where it was proven that he was looking at child pornography? In one of the articles listed in the many posts, a police detective states that no proof of child pornography was found.
    I still say he is a mutt and deserves what he gets because he broke rules. I also say that the paramedic is a mutt because she went looking for it. His career may be over, but you can bet hers is on life support at the very least. This has nothing to do with her being female...this has to do with the fact that you can't do this job with someone you cannot trust...and she's already proven that she's untrustworthy.

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    Lets leave Pornography 4 a second,
    DANIEL J in South Africa said ". . . why don't you learn a little about tolerance . . . "
    . . . coming from somebody in SOUTH AFRICA?!?!?!?!?!?!
    If THAT ain't the "pot callin' the kettle black," I don't know WHAT is!!!!!!
    SORRY Dan J., it WASEN't these United States of America that had THREE-QUARTERS of the WORLD BOYCOTTING US for "non-tolerance."

    DUDE: take a look in the mirror before thing to put us on the "pedistal of shame." The U.S. might not B "perfect", but at least we settled the "black" issue in 1865 NOT 1985!!!!!!!!!!

    When your hands are "clean, then you can crittizie America!!! Mate !

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    So tell me, Denver...
    What's it like in South Africa? You've lived there, I assume, since you're jumping off the deep end on Daniel, who, whether right or wrong, was just stating his thoughts. Isn't that what were all here for? To learn from one another? What probative value is there in your post other than to fuel animosity and hate? We can't compare US strides in civil rights to the rest of the world; every location in the world works differently, and on a continent with countries in civil war for centuries, the fact that South Africa is making strides in equality is commendable. Of course there's a long way to go there; I'm not arguing that there isn't. But Denver street gangs aren't quite up to the snuff of Lesotho and Zulu tribesmen...Instead of breaking down, why not offer some firefighting advice to our friend? I read your posts in the posting about the minority female firefighter- you hit it on the head that we are all equal. Very true, and good of you to see that. Why not just expand that to the world over?


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