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    Can anyone tell me about Larry Anderson who is a training specialist for HURST? We have him lined up to teach at our upcoming Regional Fire School (http://welcome.to/FireSchool) and I am considering taking the class. Just curious if anyone from here has had him before and what they thought of his training.
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    LARRY WILL GIVE YOU AN EXCELLENT CLASS. I HAVE TAKEN HIS CLASS SEVERAL TIMES AND I ALWAYS COME OUT LEARNING SOMETHING. SO IN MY OPINION, I WOULD TAKE THE CLASS. THE CLASS IS WELL WORTH YOUR TIME.

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    As long as you don't mind hearing how Hurst is the best tool about a thousand times you should be fine.

    Oh, by the way, check his resources on new car technology, its probably from another company.

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    Just as if you attended a class put on by a Holmatro guy, you would hear how Holamtro is the best tool, again a thousand times.

    Would you expect a rep from a company tell you that another product is better than the one he deals with....

    Knowing Larrys past... and knowing that all tools can cut and spread, even a Holmatro rep could learn from Larry. I have read many times that it's not the tool... it's the operator... take the information that Larry will offer and use it for your particular system.

    If and when it comes to "tool specific" information, maybe you could go read or look at the pictures in your outdated book!

    As far as resources from other sources... aren't we all really doing that... copying and revising and using the information as we see fit.

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    I am not familiar with Larry Anderson; I have managed to get pointers from every instructor I have listened to.
    We use the Hurst tools, and I have (more than once) had to come on-scene and finish the job started by another manufacturers tool, even had to cut one out after the extrication was complete! I am satisfied with the performance of the Hurst tools we use (spreaders, cutters, rams) and they are by no means new. (newest peice is at least ten years old)
    It is not the tool though, it is the operator. I am a firm believer of this. (as long as the tool does not fail) Experience is the best teacher, as no two incidents are ever the same. I am sure that the basic knowledge required will be presented by Mr. Anderson, and what you do with it will be the determining factor. If an individual presents information that will make your job easier or safer and more effective, and it has been developed by someone else, than I guess he was smart enough to recognize there was no need to reinvent the wheel.
    Maybe that left more time to consider other issues and training needs?
    Oh, by the way, the most difficult extrication I have participated in (in 14+years)was about a week ago, and the tool that did the best job for us in that instance was not hydraulic, but a battery powered 'cip-saw. So I guess it's the theory and practice, not necessarily the make of the tool. Good luck, stay safe, and use the best tool you have-the one attached to your neck!

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    Larry Anderson is among the top instructors in the field of extrication. If you don't learn something from him, you aren't paying attention. As far as the comment "check his resources on new car technology, its (sic) probably from another company.", Larry is always on the cutting edge (no pun intended) of industry technology. He works closely with auto manufacturers to provide the most up-to-date information and extrication techniques available. Being not only a Hurst representative but also a 28 year veteran firefighter, level II state certified instructor, rescue technician and first responder, Larry is determined to provide rescuers with the most efficient techniques available to save lives. With his experience and expertise, it only makes sense that he would work for the best hydraulic rescue tool manufacturer.
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    Tool Junkie,Snip "stands to reason he would work for the best hyd.tool manufacturer.That's your opinion.See CFDLT's post on the "Best" tool was a "cip saw"!CFDLT,Well done grasshopper,Carl Avery would be proud as am I that you properly identified your problem and used appropriate equipment to solve it.Personally I would put my Holmatro against Hursts best any day,but it all comes down to tools,and training against technology.Like ANYTHING mechanical,it's the operator not necessarily the machine that determines if the job will happen at maximum effeciency.T.C.

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    I have personally Known Larry for some time now, Let me add my Support to him as an instructor and generally speaking a very good friend of the Rescue/Fire Service. BTW Larry did not always work for Hurst, and I am not going into who he used to work for (those of you that know him know this) It really isnt important. As my fellow Upstate New Yorker pointed out what would you expect an employee of any company to talk about? Hurst=Hurst, Amkus=Amkus, Holmatro=Holmatro, TNT=TNT, PowerHawk=PowerHawk,Phoenix=Phoenix, Genisis=Genisis and so on. Hey Guys and Gals we do not live in an ideal world, these guys have to work and pay the bills too.

    Again I agree with Kevin, all tools Push, Pull or Cut (*with acknowledgements to Dwight Clark) Learn the prinicipal behind what he is teaching you and you should do very well with an Exceptional Man and Instructor. I will say this, While all tools are the same, all tool have there own "personality". If Larry shows you something with a HURST tool It may or may not work with a HOLMATRO. WHOA there, this is not saying a HOLMATRO (or any of the tools I have listed or missed) isn't any good, quite the contrary. All I am saying certian Specific techniques may need to be modified for the tool you use. Each tool company has some area it shines in. Make sure you know the Strengths of your particular tool and play to those strengths. OK I am going to let that part go, Now we can argue about which is better FORD or CHEVY! Remember, just like in Automobiles, it is usually the nut behind the wheel (or in the case of Rescue tools the Operating control) that really makes the difference. LEARN FROM LARRY and you will be better for it
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    Hey gang.. thanks for the info. You have pretty much convinced me to take the class. Now, I certainly did not intend for this to become a "my tool is better than your tool" shouting match. Those who have seen me post here before know how much I HATE those arguments!!!

    So pack up your toys and go home. I don't care if my tools are better than yours... you probably can't afford to buy a new set like ours anymore than we could buy a set like yours if you ever convinced me that yours were better.

    In case anyone on here wants to look into taking this class with me, check out the Wayne County (Ohio) Regional Fire School webpage: Wayne County Regional Fire School
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    I love Larry Anderson, I got to know him back in 95', but if he has one fault, it's that which ever tool company is signing his paycheck, is the best tool manufacturer in the WORLD! When I met him, he spent all his time telling me how much HURST SUCKED!!

    But what can you do, we all have to make a living.

    All that aside, I agree with the rest of the group, his knowledge and experience is unsurpassed. If you are going outside and doing hands on, BE PREPARED TO WORK!!! I have seen him spend all day in a junkyard, and still want more.

    Have fun, and enjoy.

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    I can't imagine that Larry Anderson ever said "HURST SUCKED" regardless of who "signed his paycheck". He goes out of his way not to bad mouth the competition. His approach is to show the features and benefits of his product lines while training rescue personnel in the latest techniques available to save lives. Slinging mud at the competition is not his style. His skills and the Hurst's product lines speak for themselves.

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    I have to state that what the earlier individual said is true. Larry Anderson is an excellent instructor. I have worked with Larry on many occasions and unlike other manufacturers training people, Larry Anderson never bad mouths another product. Larry teaches the topics at hand, and unless you have never taken a class from Larry you do not know what he does or does not do. (If Larry is not an excellent instructor, than why is he one of the most sought after extrication instructors in the country?) Remember: in the late 60's Hurst designed the first Extrication tool. The goal for designing this tool was to save lives, not to line his pockets.
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    Larry has a wealth of extrication knowledge and is an excellent instructor. I look forward to seeing Larry at all the T.E.R.C. competitions he attends, because you can always learn something from him. More important he is a good person and has been a friend for years.

    Irregardless of the HRT he sells, it is the knowledge of the operator that counts. You will enjoy the class.

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    I've closed this thread because the original poster replied that he was satisfied with the information provided and would attend larry's presentation. Now let's move on.
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