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    Question Keep the generator?

    We have 2 flood lights on our rescue pumper that are run by a generator. A couple of the guys want to wire the lights to 12v switch the bulbs and get rid the thing.( make more room) Yes right now thats all it runs. I'm on the fence. When you take it out, that's when you will need it. what do you think?

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    Find out what the wattage on the bulbs are. Then, wire an inverter into the electrical system of the rig (one that you're alternator can handle) and presto, 110 lights, no generator, AC power at the flick of a switch.

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    You don't have any other A/C run equipment on the Rescue-Pumper ie: Saws, Fans, Pumps, Portable lighting? Once you lose the generator is will be hard to get it back, sounds more like to step backwards to remove the GEN SET. Depending on the KW size of the generator you should be able to run other equipment. Our min. size on our pumpers is 6KW with two 1500-watt quartz lights plus portable lighting and fans, with the newest having a 10-KW AMPS Gen Set four 1500-watt quartz lights, Hurst Hydralic pump for the jaws, Smoke ejector fan, and electric chain saw..




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    We had a couple of our engine companies that decided to omit the generator on new rigs and it ended up being a big mistake. We have had times where severe storms (hurricanes, blizzards) and other emergencies where they needed the generator or could have used it. One of my main arguments is we never know when the power problems that hit California are going to happen to us. More and more people are on life support systems, oxygen equipment, etc that may need assistance in the event of a rolling blackout that exceeds their rechargable battery life. We also have the ability with our aerial device to back up several of our Intensive care nursing homes in the event of a drastic emergency.
    I have always been in favor of each engine having a generator. Our call volume is constantly on the increase, both Fire and EMS, we are also having more and more instances of having more then one fire at a time, and that's where another generator comes in handy for equipment as NJ-TF 1 pointed out.
    If it was up to me I'd keep it, it space that is well worth it. Plus what are you planning to do with the space you may free up? Is it something that you absolutely need, something you'll use more often then a generator?

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    Dump the generator, get an inverter, if of course the rig's electrical system can support it. Also, make sure you get one that can handle the scene lights and some portable lights as well.
    I would...but no!

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    Keep the generator. Replacing the bulbs and going 12 volt will never give you the light of what you have now. As well as it limits your options to add additional AC equipment in the future. Here's a dandy to add right now if you do auto extrication, a sawzall. Man does that make post removal on cars sweet.

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    We run with an inverter on the pumper, so scene lighting is not an issue. However we do carry an 5k generator onboard as well, for the day when extra lights or "More Power Mr Scott" is required. We also have a 5k generator on the Rescue as well, to run onboard scene lights, plus sazall, extractor fans and portable lights as necessary.
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    I'd keep the generator as well. There is only so much you can run off of the truck's electrical system.
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    Thumbs up Keep it

    If it comes down to inverter or generator (or 12V lighting...) by all means keep the generator.

    Why the heck would you want to more amps to the truck's electrical system???

    12V lights... such a waste.

    Inverters... maybe, but they're still taxing your electrical system.

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    Thumbs up I'm off the fence

    We are keeping it. Good points guys.

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    I would have to say keep the generator. You wouldn't want to lose that on a rescue truck. If it was another truck maybe. You want to be self sufficant with electricity on a rescue truck not relaying on other trucks.

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    What brand of generators are you running for lights, are they holding up? Thanks

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    Look at a company called Raven Technology. They have a underhood generator that is driven off the drive belt system. It's rated at 5 kw, 120 volt at 60 hz. This way you can still keep the lights and provide electrical power when needed. Here is the link to there website.

    http://www.raventechpower.com/index.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Resq14 View Post
    12V lights... such a waste.
    What? Where's your usual plug for HID scene lighting 14 ?

    Seriously, if you got to switch to 12VDC, invest in HID scene lights. Avoid traditional 12V lighting, its hard on the charging system.

    Stay away from an inverter... wastefull, expensive, troublesome, big drain on the alternator and batteries.

    I'd actually look in the other direction. Why only 2 lights? How about adding another 4? Put 4 fixed scene lights (2 brow, 1 to each side) and 2 tele lights for some real night fighting ability. Got money? Get a light tower! Use at least 50% of your gen-set's capabilities with lighting.
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    Default Keep the generator?

    the Raven product is a great unit - an alternative is the Auragen -
    http://www.aurasystems.com/

    Know this system is used by many (and I do mean MANY) commercial operators who run reefer units with them. FYI

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    I like the 12v HID systems... convenient if you do not have it in the budget for a generator. Some things I noticed about the 12v HID systems...

    - Take a 45-60 secs. to warm up
    - Lumens aren't as great
    - the ballasts are expensive if "oopsie" is made... vs. a $20 halogen replacement lamp.

    I prefer 120V lighting
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    Smile Have you thought of a PTO deiven generator?

    My department had PTO driven generators installed on our new Seagrave quints. We got sick of having a gas powered generator mounted in a compartment, taking up space, smelling like gas all the time, you have to slide it out to run it, oh and it is super noisy to boot. The PTO driven generator is mounted above the pump and it is really quiet. Push a button and you have power. We absolutely love ours. Maybe not an option for retrofit but definitely worth the expense on a new rig.

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