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    Default 1) hieagle fronts

    Hi-eagle fronts were just a way for the guys of the NYFD vollies to out do the other companies, given the ferocity of company pride and such the idea as was stated in one post was taken from the monument carving and cast as an accoutrement to add to a company to make them look fancy... Cairns & brother was most likely the "surviving" leather helmet manufacturer who retained the patent, after another ( there were numerous helmet makers in NY early on) after all saddle makers were a dime a dozen, but once patented, it was Cairns who kept em alive into last century. Cairns, unlike many other similar firms deided early on they would produce leather Firefighters parade dress belts and helmets, because saddlemakers were everywhere, as the service matured, so did Cairns, using "new materials" and making new styles of helmets, including the "New Yorker", Philladelphian, Senator, made of differant materials , including aluminum (which conducts electical current) fiberglass, and plastics which also can decompose, anyway during the 70' Cairns was looking at ways to cut cost and increase profit, watching other manufacturers "stamp out hundreds" while they still hand laybored to make leather New Yorkers at least parts were hand worked and sewn....someone decided that they were too popular with the big city Departments to just drop, so they approached the NFPA with standards with which they designed that all gear should meet, specifically helmets... The leather new yorker passed all but one called the penitration test which was like hammering a nail into the crown using a large press and X number of foot pounds er square inch... IF you were wearig ANYTHING you would have been dead from a broken neck... guys had been hit by falling bricks and survived... It was all in how MSA could make 1000 stamped top guards @15 dollars to Cairns 4 New Yorkers @ 60 dollars. and that would most ikely last a lifetime or two...the $$$$ won out , but firefighters began a "Leather Forever" campaign and whie cairns wanted to get into turnouts , they realized possibly bad blood would loose some buisness, after a bit, the agreed to make the New yorker meet they're own requirements by adding the scull cap, and thus effectivly making a great product crappy, charging 5 times the price,
    (more like 7 times now) as opposed to biting the bullet and forgeting our "traditions"


    I proudly own 3 unapproved and 2 approved New Yorkers that I have worn to battle the beast and also have a "volunteer" model with a short brim in the back that was caught in a flashover and luckily its wearer (not me ) was able to bale out he window... LEATHER FOREVER


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    Thank You to everyone that has posted. To properly cite the information you have provided me I need your first and last name. If you don't mind providing this you can e-mail it to me at clarkw00@hotmail.com. If you don't want to provide this I will just use your screenname, but it looks better and more creditable if I use a real name. Thanks, Tim

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    FireExplorer... if u e-mail me I can give you a whole bunch of nice stuff. I would post it on the post board, but I just do not have the time right this min. and it is really long so I can give u the histroy of the M. Cross, how Fireman got the name, dalmations, and I bet I can get a few other things. Take Care hope to hear from you soon.
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    Everyone has touched on many of the traditions of the fire service. Hopefully I can interject a few more:

    1) In the early days of the fire service in America, volunteer departments were the norm, even in big cities like New York. However, the advent of the paid fire service in our larger metropolitan cities came just after the Civil War. Consequently, many of the early paid firefighters were Civil War veterans. They brought with them to the fire service the military ranking system (captains, lieutenants, etc.) and many of the uniform concepts we recognize today (blue uniforms, brass insignia, etc.)Even the brass we use today, if you've noticed, follows the military style (one bar/one bugle=lieutenant, two bars/bugles=captain, etc.) This paramilitary organizational style is with us today. ( Prior to the paid days, volunteer fire companies would have "foremen" and "presidents" (normally an elected position) as their leaders. )

    2)The term "fireplug" comes from the days of old London when the city water mains were made out of wood. Following the Great Fire of London, the city recognized a need to have easy access to water for firefighting. So at intervals along the city streets they made openings in the cobblestone sidewalks, dug down to the wooden water mains, and cut holes in the top of them. They then installed wooden plugs in the holes (long enough to be spotted above the cobblestones). In case of a fire, one only had to yank out one of these "fireplugs" to get to a supply of water for a bucket brigade. In the early days of American firefighting, a similar system was used. Sometimes competing fire companies would arrive at the fire together and fistfights would ensue over "ownership" of the fireplug. A man who had been in enough of these fights was judged to be "plug ugly".

    This is an interesting topic. I'm interested to hear what others have to offer. The History Channel recently ran a great show on the history of the fire service that has a lot of good info...maybe you can get a transcript or a tape. Good luck!

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    Thank you to everyone who helped me with my paper. It is greatly appreciated. I tryed to attach it but it won't let me attach word files so I was forced to copy and paste. Thanks again, Tim.


    The fire service is a close, tightly knit community. Many people wonder why it is so close. Why are businessmen, stockbrokers, or car salesmen not in such a tightly knit community? Some say it is the danger of firefighting that keeps firemen so close. This is true, firefighting is dangerous, the sign above the kitchen door at FDNY Engine 82’s firehouse reads, “This could be the night.” A firefighter, because of the danger associated with his job, must rely constantly on his fellow firefighters. Some say firemen are close because they live with each other every shift. This is also true. Because firefighters spend so much time together they become a family and treat each other like they would treat any of their blood relatives. Some say they are close because they must work as a team starting in fire academy and throughout their career. This is true. Right from the day a firefighter starts at fire academy everything they do is done as a team. All these things are true. The one thing that is the foundation of the fire service community and holds it together is tradition. There are many traditions in the fire service. Some traditions everyone knows about, or they think they do. Like the brotherhood, the Dalmatian, and the leather fire helmet. There are some traditions that people know about, but do not know the story behind them. An example of this is the fireman’s mustache, the Maltese cross and St. Florian. Most traditions come from the past, when firemen fed the apparatus, and shoveled up its waste; or from when firemen road on the tailboards with rubber coats and hip boats. Those were the good old days. With advances in technology firefighting is much different now, but in some ways still the same. It is every firefighters responsibility to preserve the traditions of the fire service. It is the thread that holds them together.
    "The leather helmet, is an international sign of a firefighter, a symbol that is significant in not only tradition from the early years of firefighting, but one of bravery, integrity, honor and pride". This passage is taken from the mission statement of the Fraternal Order Of Leatherheads. Leather helmets are not issued by many departments anymore mostly due to their cost, around $500 for a Cairns Sam Houston, and the advancement in the technology of fiberglass composite helmets which sell for between $100 and $300 depending on the style. Despite their high cost many firefighters buy their own leather helmets because of the tradition they represent.
    Leather helmets have been used for a long time in the fire service. They are most likely leather because they were originally made by saddle makers. Part of the reason people where them are because they have had parents, grandparents, and other firefighters before them who wore leather. Firefighters are not quick to change their ways.
    Besides the obvious purpose of head protection, the leather helmet serves as the main identification of a firefighter. The part of the helmet which is most used for identification is the six inch tall piece of leather affixed to the front. It is often called a front piece or a shield. The style and significance of the shield vary from department to department. The shield may provide the firefighter’s name, rank, identification number, company number, and company type. In the Fire Department of New York, the shield and helmet color has the following meaning. A white helmet with a gold shield means a chief officer. All other firefighters have black helmets. A white shield with red numbers means a truck (ladder) company officer. A red shield with white numbers means a truck company firefighter often called a truckie or ladderman. A white shield with black letters means an engine company officer. A black shield with white letters means an engine company firefighter. A white shield with blue letters means a rescue company officer. A blue shield with white letters means a rescue company firefighter or paramedic. There are also other colors for specialized companies such as squads, haz-mat companies, and marine companies. Many people dismiss the shield as a meaningless ornament. However, it is very important to identification and accountability on a fire scene.
    There is much debate on the purpose of the eagle on the top of the helmet that holds the leather front piece in its beak. This piece of the helmet always gets caught on window frames and is dented when any thing falls on it. It would probably be safer to just take it off. However, this is a case where tradition comes before practicality. Other than holding the shield in place, some people say the eagle was used for breaking windows. Others say it came about after a sculpture added it to the helmet of a firefighter in a statue. Some say it was a way of New York City volunteer companies of the late 1800s, who would often fight each other over which company had the right to extinguish the fire, of out doing one another. These companies would often wear high eight-inch eagles instead of the six-inch version used today.
    One other thing the leather helmet does is show experience. As fire fighters work in smoky conditions the shield on their helmet will become blackened. In the high heat of a fire the leather becomes soft. This allows the back brim of the helmet, often referred to as a beaver tail, to be bent down. This is called the “Bronx bend.” Many people say one can tell a lot about a firefighter by looking at his helmet. It can show where he has been, what he has done. It has been said that a firefighter’s helmet is an extension of his personality.
    Many things that had uses in the early days of firefighting live on today, not for any practical use, but because it is tradition. One example is the mustaches many firefighters wear. Before SCBAs became a part of firefighting, firefighters would grow big, bushy beards and mustaches. Before going into a fire they would wet their beard and pull it over their mouth. This would help filter the smoke. In an early picture of Nashua firefighters nine out of eleven firefighters had beards or mustaches. Today firefighters cannot have beards because it interferes with the face to facepiece seal of their SCBA mask. However, in a 1984 picture of men from the Portland Fire Department, eight of ten firefighters had mustaches. In a more recent, 2001, photograph of the men of FDNY’s Rescue 5, eight out of thirteen firefighters have mustaches. This goes to show that firefighters will carry on traditions even after they have outlived their use.
    Another tradition that lives on is the Dalmatian’s role as the firedog. In the early days of firefighting, before motorized apparatus, horses were used to pull fire engines. Dalmatians would run with the horses encouraging them along. The dalmation was chosen because it is one of the few breeds of dogs that can run between the horses without being scared. They also have the stamina to run long distances. The Dalmatians would also run ahead of the horses barking to clear the streets. This would allow the horses to run at full gallop and arrive at the fire quicker. Although fire engines are now motorized and are now encouraged along with gas pedals on streets cleared by lights and sirens, the Dalmatian remains a widely recognized symbol of the fire service.
    Before the days of fire alarms, scanners, pagers, and radios, speaking trumpets were used to signal alarms as well as giving orders on the fire ground. Speaking trumpets, often called bugles, are no longer used for this purpose. They now signify the rank of a fire officer.9 Five bugles are for Chief. Four bugles are for Assistant chief. Three bugles are for District Chief. Two crossed bugles are for Battalion Chief. Two vertical bugles are for Captain. One bugle is for Lieutenant. This is just one more example of something today coming from the traditions of the past. The badge of a firefighter is the Maltese cross. The Maltese cross is a symbol of courage and bravery and a badge of honor. Its story is from the time of the crusades. When a courageous band of crusaders known as the Knights of St. John, fought the Saracens for possession of the holy land, they encountered a new weapon unknown to European warriors. It was a simple, but a horrible device of war. It brought excruciating pain and an agonizing death to the brave warriors. The Saracen's weapon was fire.
    As the crusaders advanced to the walls of the city, they were struck by glass bombs containing naphtha. When they became drenched with the highly flammable liquid, the Saracens launched a flaming torch at the knights. Hundreds of the knights were burned alive and others risked their own lives to save their brothers from dying painful, fiery deaths. These men became the first firemen and the first of a long list of courageous firefighters. Their heroic efforts were recognized by fellow crusaders who awarded each hero a badge of honor, a cross similar to the one firefighters wear today. Since the Knights of St. John lived for close to four centuries on a little island in the Mediterranean Sea named Malta, the cross came to be known as the Maltese cross.
    The Maltese cross still symbolizes all the traditions and ideals of the fire service. It is a firefighter’s symbol of courage, honor, and bravery. It means that the fireman who wears this cross is willing to lay down his life for his brothers, just as the crusaders sacrificed their lives for their fellow man so many years ago.
    St. Florian is the patron saint of fire fighters. He was a Roman Centurion who chose to become a Christian because he did not believe that the Roman’s burn and pillage campaign was just. The Romans captured him as a traitor. The Romans attempted to burn him at the stake. They were unable to kindle a fire under him, so they tied him to a millstone and threw him in a river to drown.14 Because the Romans were unable to kindle a fire under St. Florian he became the patron saint of fire fighters.
    One of the strongest traditions in firefighting is not leaving a brother behind. If two firefighters go into a fire two firefighters come out. Backdraft, a film that better depicts brotherhood than true firefighting, shows this with a line used twice in the movie, “You go, we go.” One of the greatest examples of not leaving brothers behind was the Worcester Cold Storage fire, December 3, 1999. The Worcester Fire Department was dispatched to 266 Franklin Street at 6:13 PM. Four engines, two ladders and Rescue 1, under the command of District Chief Mike McNamee, responded on the first alarm. Upon arrival Chief McNamee ordered a second alarm and firefighters searched the building for fire extension and any occupants who might have been trapped. At first conditions were good and the second alarm companies were ordered to stage. There was a light haze of smoke, but not even enough to force firefighters to wear their SCBAs. When conditions became worse Chief McNamee ordered an evacuation of the building. However, the windowless building was built like a maze. Its construction made it very disorienting under the best of conditions. Under the worsening conditions, two firefighters from Rescue 1, Jerry Lucey and Paul Brotherton, were unable to make it out.
    The second alarm companies, Engines 3 and 7 and Ladder 2, were ordered into the building to conduct a search for the missing men. Chief McNamee had the companies searching the third, fourth, and fifth floors of the building. Each time a search crew reported back to Chief McNamee they reported conditions even worse than before. When a Ladder 2 firefighter, who had gone outside to change is air bottle, tried to call his lieutenant, Thomas Spencer, on the radio he got no response. Chief McNamee now knew he had four firefighters missing, Lucey and Brotherton of Rescue 1 and Lt. Spencer and Tim Jackson of Ladder 2. Conditions continued to get worse. The fire was reported to be heavy on the second floor. Finally, with twelve firefighters ready to enter the building and continue searching, Chief McNamee ordered the building to be evacuated so more firefighters would not be lost. Because of their strong brotherhood and desire to rescue their fellow firefighters this was not well accepted by anyone. Some men had to be physically restrained from entering the inferno. After evacuation a head count confirmed the four missing as well as two more firefighters from Engine 3, Joseph McGuirk and James Lyons. Two firefighters died trying to save the people who started the fire and left without reporting it. Four more died trying to save their brothers.
    Brotherhood is an extremely strong tradition in the fire service. A firefighter can always count on his brother to be there when he is in need. Worcester was not the first time firefighters died trying to save their brothers, and it certainly was not the last. More recently, on May 4, 2002, Derek Martin and Rob Morrison of the St. Louis Fire Department, died while trying to save a fellow firefighter who was lost. The lost firefighter found his own way out but Captain Martin and Captain Morrison were not so lucky. It is certain this will not be the last time firefighters will die trying to save there brothers. In the dangerous world of fighting fire it is not certain a firefighter will make it out of a fire. What is certain is there will be someone there who tries to help him out, even if this means sacrificing his own life.
    Once a line of duty death does occur, firefighters stay at the scene of the fire until the last body has been found. In Worcester, firefighters took eight days to pull out the last body. At the World Trade Center, firefighters and other rescue and recovery workers stayed at Ground Zero for eight and a half months until the last piece of steel was removed and there were no more bodies left to be found. Firefighters do this because they believe it is important to give their brothers a proper burial and honor them at a funeral.
    Line of Duty Death funerals provide firefighters who have given their life in the line of duty all the honor and respect they deserve. In a traditional LODD funeral the flag draped casket of the fallen firefighter will be transported in the hose bed of a fire truck in a procession along with bagpipes and other firefighters all dressed in their Class A uniforms. Many times the procession will pass under aerial ladders, which form an arch over the roadway. Then the signal for a fallen firefighter is signaled. For FDNY this is 5-5-5-5.
    Many firefighters attend LODD funerals and memorial services. In Worcester, 35,000 firefighters attended a memorial service for the six fallen firefighters. At least once a year fire fighters get together to remember everyone that has died in the past year. Among the services are the International Association of Firefighters Fallen Fire Fighter Memorial Ceremony in Colorado Springs, Colorado and the International Association of Fire Chiefs Nation Fallen Firefighter Memorial Service usually held in Emmitsburg, Maryland. Over 100,000 firefighters are expected to march in the Procession of Honor immediately prior to the National Fallen Firefighter Foundation Memorial Service on Sunday, October 6, 2002. This will honor all of the firefighters who have died this past year including the 343 firefighters who died at the World Trade Center. This many firefighters go to funerals and memorial services because they feel it is important to pay respect to the men how have died “just doin’ what they do.”
    Despite the danger associated with firefighting, families keep becoming firefighters generation after generation. One example is the Griswold family. Tim Griswold is a fifth generation firefighter. Back in 1927 his great great grandfather, William Griswold, helped to organize the Rocky Hill Fire Department. In 1941, his great grandfather, Leonard Griswold, became chief of the Rocky Hill Fire Department and held the position until 1945. His grandfather, Raymond W. Griswold, Sr., was a volunteer firefighter with Truck 1 of the Rocky Hill Fire Department. His father, Arthur Griswold, was a volunteer firefighter and emergency medical technician (EMT) in Hebron, Connecticut from 1982 until 1996. During this time he held many positions including firefighter, lieutenant, captain, and training officer. His uncle, Raymond W. Griswold, Jr., was a volunteer firefighter and EMT in Hebron, CT from 1978 until 2001. He was employed by the town as the fire marshal, but held many different positions within the fire department including Assistant Chief, Deputy Chief, Captain, and training officer. He is currently a full time firefighter in New Hanover County, North Carolina. My other uncle, Mark Griswold has been a volunteer firefighter in Hebron, CT since 1980. Currently Tim Griswold is the Captain of the Danville Fire Explorer Post. It is the traditions mentioned above that keep generation after generation wanting to become firefighters.
    As the evidence demonstrates, there are many traditions in the fire service. They are what the leather helmet represents. From things that have out lived their practical use to things with roots in the ancient past, traditions keep the fire service together. For many firefighters firefighting is a large portion of their lives. Without tradition their lives would have no meaning. Tradition is what keeps generation after generation of families joining the fire department. Without the brotherhood of the fire service would not be as strong. If one wants to be a firefighter they must value tradition every time they go to work, every time they put the leather on their head, and every time they rush into a raging inferno not knowing if they will ever come out.

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    WOW......Well all i have to say is, as a firefighter who was at the Worcester Warehouse Fire the accounts of that incident are right on the money....I have to say you have done an AWESOME job on your report of the traditions of firefighters and the meanings...I would say if you didnt get an A on this paper, bring your professor with you on a call to expirence and see OUR TRADITIONS !!....Congrats on a great paper and good luck !!!



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    When I hear the phrase "the traditions of the fire service" I am apt to wonder what is specifically referred to. Is it the history of the men and apparatus that came before, the extra alarm fires that were fought, the traditions of being a member of a particular firehouse or department,what? If FireExplorer 13 doesn't narrow his focus, his paper could suffer. Many departments have gotten away from making new members aware of history and tradition, because many instructors themselves are not aware of it. How can a guy with 3-4 years on the job(and now an instructor) be aware of any tradition? I realize the fire service needs to look forward, but it also needs to look back, and recapture some of the camaraderie and spirit that has been lost. Far too often personnel are hired who look on the fire department as a second job, and are more worried about whether they'll get enough sleep that night on duty to go and pound nails or pour concrete or do whatever they do on their "real" job.

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    good paper tim
    what you said was right on.
    if i can say one thing when you say that a firefighters helmet says a lot about that firefighter you are right but you might want to add that a firefighter ads stickers and picturs and items like wedges and light to there helmets.
    i am putting a pic of my family in mine so i remember what i have to come home for.
    it gives a little more to fight for if you know what i mean
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    Tradition? you want tradition, how about pea soup on Saturdays and Turkey on Sundays and heaven help anyone who tries to vary the menu.

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    A tradition in the London Fire Service, one that I have been victim of and partaken in--this is only as far as I can make out done by Paid/Career Firefighters--on the last night duty before transferring to new Station/Watch/ or Promotion step up-The victim is usually divested of all clothes and thrown out of the Station before change of watch anywhere between0500 @0900hrs. This causes much hilarity amongst London commuters,waiting for buses, or driving to work---most effective in the winter months!! This was very popular, certainly up untill 1981, before the thought police and female members got into "control mode"
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    ^bump^
    "I truly believe that tradition is important to the long-term survival of the fire service."-Lt. Andrew Fredricks, FDNY,9-11-01

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    Um, I think whoever invented fishbowl & race car driver helmets should be shot That's one tradition that got lost somewhere, but seems most of us around here have all the traditional helmets again. Maybe they'll bring back cab-over Fords & gumball lights
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    You could talk about how fire prevention/education has progressed over the years.. starting back in 872 with the Norman word couvre feu.. meaning "cover fire" and is now know as "curfew"! I have more information about this if you'd like.. I've taken these classes.. b-o-r-i-n-g!

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    I might possibly look into this
    "I truly believe that tradition is important to the long-term survival of the fire service."-Lt. Andrew Fredricks, FDNY,9-11-01

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    Others:
    What the first hose was actually made out of (has to do with an animal!).
    First fire hydrants. (fire plugs)

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    Holy dead thread resurrection, Batman!

    The explorer who posted this has long since moved onto college if I remember correctly! LOL

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    You can go back to Ben Franklin:

    1736 Founds the Union Fire Company in Philadelphia

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    I know the original poster has graduated from college, gotten married and has 2.34 kids, a dog and a house in the country .... but what the hell ..I'll post one anyway ...

    A lot of departments still require thier firefighters to wash the tires after they take a truck out .... this tradition dates from horse-drawn days when they had to wash the horses**t of the wheels each time they left the station, hence the modern day term "washing the wheels".

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    Originally posted by LaFireEducator
    I know the original poster has graduated from college, gotten married and has 2.34 kids, a dog and a house in the country .... but what the hell ..I'll post one anyway ...

    A lot of departments still require thier firefighters to wash the tires after they take a truck out .... this tradition dates from horse-drawn days when they had to wash the horses**t of the wheels each time they left the station, hence the modern day term "washing the wheels".
    I've heard of washing the tires when you get back from a run, but that's not the reason I heard (although that might also be wise). The reason I got was that back when they had horse-drawn apparatus, those rigs had wooden wheels, like traditional wagon wheels. If you didn't wet the wood periodically, it would dry out and be prone to shrinkage and cracking, then the spokes would get loose, the steel hoop "tires" might fall off, etc. So it was mainly a maintenance item for the wooden wheels.

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    I'm still a young firefighter only 3 yrs with CCFD.about the crossed ladders at a LODD funeral. Like to know more about that. i'm 3rd Gen
    of my Famley, My grandpa,my dad and Me. I'm trying to teach my 10 mo old little girl maybe too earily-- I started young

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