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    Quote Originally Posted by harold67wm View Post
    Rescue101, with ALL due respect, I think that you need to re-think the "pull" on this one...anything over a 45 degree embankment, should be considered 100% of the vehicle weight...
    Harold,WM myself. 1500 P/u on side,ON LEDGE. Maine has LOTS of ledge. I believe,based on doing several similar jobs,that my calculations are in line. If you feel they are incorrect; add another Block. In ANY event,this job can be EASILY handled with a smaller wrecker, a HD is NOT required. On THAT point I am CERTAIN. These slide very nicely on that smooth side, much like a toboggan on snow. But I'll defer to your higher rating,as I carry only a 4/5. T.C.


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    First thought is it's time to get a nylon tow strap around that rear axle.
    Around the axle???....really??? Do you really think an axle would be a good anchor point??

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    I'm going another route with this one. Tie off the boat trailer to first arriving apparatus with chain.

    Then have aerial with a platform, something like an aerialscope swing bucket directly over the victim and have rescue hanging under bucket via rope system. Lower down with Aztec and strop the vic, raise up and on land.

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    Harold,here's a WM challenge for YOU. Next time you are on the training ground,if you have an embankment and a Chev P/U along with a Dyno put it in the same situation,put the dyno inline and see what you get.Post a picture of the Dyno reading. If I get on the Grounds first with a Dyno,I'll do it. Chances are HIGHER for you being near a dyno than me. Be interesting to see the results. Never do in public what you haven't practiced in private(WM). The next time I'm apt to see a Dyno is when Billy makes the next Northern circuit. T.C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MEAN15 View Post
    Around the axle???....really??? Do you really think an axle would be a good anchor point??
    Believe it or not,it's a better choice than the bumper. I'd prefer the frame. T.C.

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    As a response to a previous poster, I would NEVER tie off the victim before the vehicle is tied off. If that vehicle starts to go, the victim will be what's holding that 4 tons of vehicle from falling. And that alone will probably kill the victim.

    I would start off by securing the vehicle with what ever we had. (depending on what truck I happened to be on) The least preferrable would be ropes and webbing, but I'd use it in a heart beat if it's all I had. I'd just use as much of it as I could. Chains or cable would be preferrable if they were availible. With either method I would take up as much slack as I could without trying to lift the vehicle. I'd use at least two full size apparatus as anchors if possible for the truck, with a third for the boat. I would make my attachment point on the frame as far back as possible so the the rescuer would have less chance of being taken down if the truck slipped. Of course I want the anchor to be as parallel to the downward angle of the truck as possible. Once the truck is secured, I can go after the patient. depending on the condition of the patient, I would use either ground ladders (tied off) or an aerial. Safety lines on the rescuers and vitim at this point.

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    First of all, thanks for reviving this 9 year old thread.

    You have to tie off/secure the vehicle. With that said, you don't want that occupant moving a Swedish uh... well, you don't want him moving a bit. Lowering a harness to a scared and untrained person, not sure I want to chance that. Better they stay scared and still.

    Tie off the trailer, then the truck (straps, chains, along with what T.C. posted).

    THEN lower a high angle dude with a strap to grab Giligan.
    I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    First of all, thanks for reviving this 9 year old thread.

    You have to tie off/secure the vehicle. With that said, you don't want that occupant moving a Swedish uh... well, you don't want him moving a bit. Lowering a harness to a scared and untrained person, not sure I want to chance that. Better they stay scared and still.

    Tie off the trailer, then the truck (straps, chains, along with what T.C. posted).

    THEN lower a high angle dude with a strap to grab Giligan.
    CAREFUL Ken, you'll make the schitlist with those radical ideas,hehe T.C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rescue101 View Post
    CAREFUL Ken, you'll make the schitlist with those radical ideas,hehe T.C.
    That's me, a radical!

    You don't know how a panicked person is going to react. I can remember training to be a lifeguard and having the instructor damn near drown me first time I tried to "rescue" him. I'll NEVER forget that.

    It's the same logic on why we LOWER an aerial ladder to a victim, not RAISE it to a victim. They still teach that?
    I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

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