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    Default Notice to 'Off Duty Discussion' Thread Users

    Note: This is a single notice to all those that participate here. Please read. There is no need to post comments or discuss further. Please just move on and the regular discussion


    Folks

    Here or elsewhere, we're not going to be bashed for simply posting a new rule. Those that choose to do so can go elsewhere to participate, as you will no longer have posting privelages here.

    Its not a power trip, its a request to show some respect to others. Most of those who attacked us had nothing to do with the reason it was posted to begin with. But since you choose to do nothing but bash us, you are welcome to go and stay posting elsewhere.

    Note to users, this relates to posts and comments made elsewhere. We don't need to hear or see '(*#&$(&*#% the WebTeam' anywhere for a simple rule that doesn't harm anyone.

    As the MAJORITY of readers can see we leave most threads wide open on topics, including the I.A.C.O.J. stuff here in the Off Duty Forums. However, the MINORITY will ruin it for everyone if all they can be is negative. Its a difficult job as it is managing several thousand posts and theads a week, without that.

    We opened the Off-Duty Threads for the explicit purpose of serving our users, and giving them a place for relatively free flow discussion. If that can't include a few boundaries we ask for, we'll have no choice but to close this topic category.

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    It is a power trip when you start to censure people not for comments made here, but on other internet sites.

    Here or elsewhere, we're not going to be bashed for simply posting a new rule. Those that choose to do so can go elsewhere to participate, as you will no longer have posting privelages here.

    That goes far beyond the scope of any reasonable terms of service.

    You can reasonably exercise censorship over the sites you own. When you start to pick and choose who you allow to post at firehouse.com based on postings at other websites that are neither affiliated nor controlled by your organization, you have breached bounds fundemental and implicit bounds of internet ettiquette.

    There is a large gap between criticism, no matter how unfair and unwarranted, and conduct unbecoming or any similiar charge that could be leveled to ban a member for conduct at another site.

    Firehouse.com certainly provides what is currently the premier site for fire-related postings on the web. During the years of it's existence, there has been a noticeable decline in the general usenet groups such as alt.firefighters and misc.emerg-services. No other web bulletin board service comes close to the readership here. And even excellent moderated listservs like Fire-L have seen a decline in the breadth of postings.

    But if Firehouse.com moderators can not withstand normal levels of internet blathering, especially that conducted at other sites, it is probably time they step back, take a deep breath, and make a decision if providing a bulletin board service is something you really want or should be doing.

    You do not have the right, and should not take the liberty, to censor people based on postings not made on your own systems. That's pretty dog gone fundemental.

    Matt Kivela

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    But if Firehouse.com moderators can not withstand normal levels of internet blathering
    - Define 'normal'. If normal includes profanity tirades, false statements, and innuendo. Then indeed we are wrong. We consider some of what happened -- in our opinion -- over the top for the situation and acted within our rights. Most people who posted in the 'mutt' situation had not bothered to read any of our explanation.

    It was a simple new rule that many took way out of content. If someone is going around the Internet saying 'Firehouse is the worst place in the world' or worse, we have the right to preclude them from here. If its just criticism, fine, but when people post 'nazi' and other worse names, why would we let them be members here? In the end, no one is banned, and everything is fine. (for the record, even the one who called us nazi's is still here...)

    This situation is now over so let's all move on. We all came to a reasonable understanding and hopefully everyone can just post new topics.

    We act on VERY few threads and let virtually every (99.9%) of the threads go untouched. We strive to do the best, and sometimes, we'll do what some others don't like. Thats just a fact of life.

    Please review the thread here:

    http://www.firehouse.com/forums2/sho...threadid=38021

    This thread will be closed, any further discussion can take place in the thread linked above.

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